MGS3 is truly the best game this generation.
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Not for everyone and I've explained why. It will be for people that appreciate the series for what I feel are its lesser qualities. The story and its boss fights. MGS3 gets right back to deluging you with cut-scenes in the last couple/few hours, which isn't a high point for those of us that aren't terribly impressed with the series penchant for pretentious dialogue.Amir0x said:
Kleegamefan
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Yes, we are very testy....
radioheadrule83
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I wasn't that into it for the first 20 minutes, but from then on it was one hell of a ride. I was really pleased that they kept most of the drama in cut scenes as opposed to codec/radio. The story was fantastic; it was truly great to watch the backstory to one of the Metal Gear franchises chief villains become fleshed out in all it's glory.
The ending was PERFECT.
I'm not sure if it's my favourite game this gen, as it's a bit of everything (game / movie / daft entertainment / art), but it's certainly something I regard as the finest entertainment experience on the PS2.
The ending was PERFECT.
I'm not sure if it's my favourite game this gen, as it's a bit of everything (game / movie / daft entertainment / art), but it's certainly something I regard as the finest entertainment experience on the PS2.
Listen, if we're considering an entire portion of the game, whether it "gets so much better" or not, then we're considering the individual parts. And the good parts (ie, the last fight, chase scenes) had lengthy cut-scenes in between. I'm not saying the game gets a lot worse or even anything less than great, but it certainly wasn't the best part.Amir0x said:
....oh wow. Really now, do you have a short-term memory or are you just illiterate enough that you can give relevant replies, but completely misconstrued? The cut-scenes were a problem for me, but only insofar as they kept me from being thoroughly impressed with the game's finale.
Now, stop being so defensive.
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Holy shit she is absolutely CAKED in make-up
Socreges said:
Hey, just pointing out the truth. I notice from time to time certain people selectively decide when something has "pretentious dialogue", when that label can reasonably be applied to pretty much every RPG since the dawn of time. Shit, it could reasonably be applied to 80% of all games
Just saying that if poorly written/pretentious dialogue is a problem then it should be a major issue with all games. Which is to say you should join the club I made, which is the "Get more fucking talented writers in the videogame industry" club.But I know what you're saying about the cutscenes... it's not for everyone.
I suppose you've already forgotten that I said "deluging you with cut-scenes in the last couple/few hours"?? After all, THAT was my problem. The cut-scenes were pretentious throughout the entire game, but they never bothered me (except the beginning - looong cut-scene) since they were brief and few and far between. I even really began to enjoy the story!Amir0x said:Hey, just pointing out the truth. I notice from time to time certain people selectively decide when something has "pretentious dialogue", when that label can reasonably be applied to pretty much every RPG since the dawn of time. Shit, it could reasonably be applied to 80% of all games
As for RPGs, if a game merely touches on the story throughout most of the game and then overloads at the end, that will be a problem for me. It will, as with MGS3, likely keep me from thinking the game improved.
Socreges said:
I don't see how the plot told through the cut-scenes in MGS3 was particularly 'pretentious'. It was a Cold War story with its own re-imagining of certain historical events and more or less a placeholder for the existence of the characters (particularly The Boss and the Cobras) in the piece. What that boiled down to for most of the cut scenes, was a trade off off dialogue that was required to build the next boss fight. Hardly new, hardly original and hardly pretentious. MGS2's long winded codec conversations were far worse in this regard and often you felt they were going nowhere.
refreshZ said:
Well, being that "best game this gen" is always an opinion anyway - so it doesn't really matter now does it?
I didn't say it was or wasn't the best game, as I have obviously not had the opp to play it. I am however wondering if anyone else will chime in and say whether the story is as stupid and convoluted as MGS2 - because if it is - well - I can cast my vote without playing it because MGS2 had one of THE DUMBEST plot lines. It also had more virtually movie than gameplay.
I fail to see why gamers like to sit and watch movie sequences instead of actually playing the game.
Drinky Crow
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The MGS3 plot and dialogue is uniformly silly and pedantic, but that's part of the charm, especially when wedded to the over-the-top cutscene direction. Really, don't try to take it too seriously, otherwise the bit with the guy who has the power to control BEES will blow your mind.
MGS2, on the other hand, was pretentious -- like MGS3, it was almost unintentionally campy, but the blowhard message and hamfisted delivery spoiled any videogame geek delight one might take in it. (MGS3 also has vastly superior gameplay and more of it, to boot.)
MGS2, on the other hand, was pretentious -- like MGS3, it was almost unintentionally campy, but the blowhard message and hamfisted delivery spoiled any videogame geek delight one might take in it. (MGS3 also has vastly superior gameplay and more of it, to boot.)
i see what you are saying. yet, actual fans take the stuff seriously, and that turns me off. when i actually see people discussing the MGS2 plot and writing theses about it, and what were the villain's actual motivations, that's going too far. and then they proclaim that kojima is better than well known film directors and that he is the greatest artist alive.Drinky Crow said:
creepy. very creepy.
Drinky Crow
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Fanboys aren't characterized by their perspective. Hyperbolic assertions are kinda symptomatic of the condition, as it were.
MGS2 had some cool gameplay concepts, but it was ultimately a very poorly executed experience. Kojima's holier-than-thou message was targeted to insult the gamer and watch him/her passively accept the criticism in the end game, as though that were a sort of cleverness; in the end, though, you only paid $50 to be insulted. Ignore the proselytization and simply PLAY the game, and you still get insulted: terrible boss encounters, short levels, and endless codec/cutscene sequences beyond your control were part and parcel of the little affront. In the end, though, Hideo wasn't being clever: he was just trolling. Hell, I'm a troll, and I suspect very few of you would pay $50 for me. The ones that would? CREEPY.
MGS2 had some cool gameplay concepts, but it was ultimately a very poorly executed experience. Kojima's holier-than-thou message was targeted to insult the gamer and watch him/her passively accept the criticism in the end game, as though that were a sort of cleverness; in the end, though, you only paid $50 to be insulted. Ignore the proselytization and simply PLAY the game, and you still get insulted: terrible boss encounters, short levels, and endless codec/cutscene sequences beyond your control were part and parcel of the little affront. In the end, though, Hideo wasn't being clever: he was just trolling. Hell, I'm a troll, and I suspect very few of you would pay $50 for me. The ones that would? CREEPY.
ZombieSupaStar
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well Ive just killed
should I be seeing some awesome earth shattering new gameplay everyone talks about coming up?
because it seems to be same ol "Kojima", thus far
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should I be seeing some awesome earth shattering new gameplay everyone talks about coming up?
because it seems to be same ol "Kojima", thus far
ZombieSupaStar
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Dr_Cogent said:
edit and if you wanna know why I dislike the game I think the whole "close top down view, no radar, AND no movement in FP mode" make alot of parts of the game more tedious than it should be
Ford Prefect
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, and it's not as big a smack to the face as MGS2 was. MGS2 was like nothing I had ever played before, and MGS3 is just a better MGS2. I personally find it to be much easier than MGS2, as opposed to the general consensus. If you reach alert mode, you can just kill all the guards and they'll stop coming. More realistic, if you will. In MGS2 they never stopped 
Anyway, judging from my position in the game, I'm very excited for the onslaught of extreme-quality that approaches
Graznyj Grad (sp?)
Anyway, judging from my position in the game, I'm very excited for the onslaught of extreme-quality that approaches
disabledHeliocentric
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I definately liked MGS3 more than Resident Evil 4.
But I'm not sure it beats out the Metroid Prime(s) or Ninja Gaiden, for myself.
But I'm not sure it beats out the Metroid Prime(s) or Ninja Gaiden, for myself.
Kleegamefan
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MGS3, RE4, Ninja Gaiden, Metroid Prime, Halo1 (not the broken sequel)...
DAMN there have been some awesome games this gen!!!
To be honest, now that I think about it, as much as I LOVE MGS3, Metroid Prime really did it for me....one of the best games ever, IMO...
My list of top games for this gen would read like this:
1-Metroid Prime
2-MGS3
3-RE4
4-Halo
DAMN there have been some awesome games this gen!!!
To be honest, now that I think about it, as much as I LOVE MGS3, Metroid Prime really did it for me....one of the best games ever, IMO...
My list of top games for this gen would read like this:
1-Metroid Prime
2-MGS3
3-RE4
4-Halo
SolidSnakex
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ZombieSupaStar said:
Who said you could be expecting earth shattering new gameplay? It's a refined version of the MGS engine.
HELL YEAH! That was awe inspiring for some reason back on the PS. For some reason, seeing credits in a videogame was just so incredibly cool. And the light music played in the backround, the intensity of sneaking in a game, sound effects, guads coughing and acting very human in patrol. It was like on of those cool intro's to a movie, but I was playing it. So damn cool. And the title coming up when you reach the elevator. Awesome! I also enjoyed MGS3's intro though, being a full mission, and then the intro song playing. Kick ass!
Anyway, as you can tell from my enthusiasm, yes, definetly my favorite game this gen. Unbelievable story, fantastic gameplay once you get a hold on it, great variety, cool bosses, stunning graphics, etc. The game just did so much right. The pacing was brilliant imo, despite everyone's hatred for the virtuous mission. Sure, the first mission was pretty bland, but I was just getting a hang of the controls and such. Then the story just really picked up, in a shocking way. If you just stop preventing yourself from getting drawn into the story, I'm sure you'd enjoy it too.
It just edges out the GTA series, ICO, Shenmue 2, FFX and RE4, considering how much of an impact those games had on me at their release. Those games were great, but have a few things that brought em down a notch, or that didn't meet MGS3's intensity. There's just too many fantastic moments in MGS3. I can name 4 or 5 parts where I didn't think it could get any better. Yet it maintained, and exceeded those moments with the next one. Such a masterpiece.
Gregory said:Shenmue 2 is one of my favourite games though, so I can appreciate games with a story.
You're insane dude. You like one of my favorite games this gen, and hate this one so passionately. I can appreciate a great story, and I find I appreciate 2 very different stories for different reasons, in both of these titles. I guess MGS3's is too action-esque, hollywood like. Different strokes for different folks I guess with some people.
SolidSnakex
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Ryudo said:
So because people praise it, that mean its this amazingly innovative game? Man there's gotta be alot of innovative games then since it's not like MGS3 is the only one that's getting alot of praise here. I've never claimed it had ground breaking new gameplay. If you didn't like how the series played before, MGS3 isn't going to change your mind on it.
radioheadrule83
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The soundtrack is so good
EternalDarko
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I think MGS3 is a great game, but i don't believe it is the best of this generation. For me it would be between RE4 and Metroid Prime. Those two games just have something that others don't and they've just been a great joy to play from start to finish. They've both left me fulfilled at the end, but still wanting more.