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[Jangowuzhere]

That's the fucking point. Hillary's lack of purity lost you the election.

Exactly

We need to burn it all down to the ground and start over. The fact that we lost this horribly shows that we need a complete overhaul

 

[paperboywriter]

Everyone not happy should protest if they so desire, but next time better win the election because most likely this will not change anything.

 

[Staccat0]

Everyone not happy should protest if they so desire, but next time better win the election because most likely this will not change anything.

I think showing up in 2018 will be more meaningful if people think and know other people are gonna do the same.

 

[Steel]

Dems have changed a lot, I'd say for the better, we forget Obama was initially against things like gar marriage which we now think is a standard right

I agree on social issues. But if the Bill Clinton from the 90s ran today and just changed his stance from back then on gay marriage, he'd still win a primary. Could not say the same for either george h or Regan(ironically).

 

[eyeball_kid]

I stood by Bernie.. It really sucks he was not nominated the man deserved it.

You still can. He's got a lot of power within the party now, and a big movement behind him. I respect Moore's passion to start a movement, but we already have a movement and I'm not sure two separate movements is the best idea when we already have Democratic in-fighting going on.

 

[Raven117]

NM.

This will be an interesting time...Gawd, we really are about to test our republic.

 

[Staccat0]

I agree on social issues. But if the Bill Clinton from the 90s ran today and just changed his stance from back then on gay marriage, he'd still win a primary. Could not say the same for either george h or Regan(ironically).

Uh.... No. Not if you wanted the black vote back.

 

[samn]

Dems have changed a lot, I'd say for the better, we forget Obama was initially against things like gar marriage which we now think is a standard right

On foreign and economic policy the Democrats are very poor.

 

[ColdPizza]

I feel like this movement should wait at least until Trump has had a chance to work a bit. How is anyone to succeed on behalf of the country if people are actively working against it?

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I'm ready. We need an organized and effective movement that can function nationwide.

 

[Netherscourge]

Out of genuine curiosity - what did the last Occupy movement accomplish, exactly?

Tent farms?

That's literally all I remember.

 

[fastford58]

Maybe dems should start forming militias.

 

[Staccat0]

I feel like this movement should wait at least until Trump has had a chance to work a bit. How is anyone to succeed on behalf of the country if people are actively working against it?

He has goals that he is already moving towards. Next election is less than 2 years away. Party structure is changing now.

 

[Cyanity]

I'm totally in for this. The status quo is no longer acceptable. We need to rise up and flood local government with good policy.

 

[radios shipping overview]

Where do I sign up?

 

[M.Bluth]

I feel like this movement should wait at least until Trump has had a chance to work a bit. How is anyone to succeed on behalf of the country if people are actively working against it?

Ask Obama. Republicans deserve to taste their own medicine.

Besides, considering that Trump's cabinet is filled with anti-LGBTQ and racist scum, there's no reason for progressives to wish them success.

 

[mrhyderager]

Your hopes are hinging on a core of white, male millennials leading the charge against Trump? The ones with, by far, the least to lose and the least likely to notice any impact to their day-to-day lives? A demographic that actually voted majority Trump? Uh, good luck with that.
More dank memes! Sweet! Maybe if some non-profit offered mobile wifi hotspots and charging stations there'd be higher participation. I'm not even kidding. The revolution will be streamed, so long as it's within 6ft of a wall outlet. 1080p tho.

I think you're referring to the majority in the country, so yeah, those are important.

Let's also cut the condescending "Bernie Bros" bullshit because I think we've seen that that's bunk.

 

[Enduin]

All for it but they need to have a strong, but easily understandable, message that people can get behind and stay behind for the long haul.

And Anti-Trump is not that message. That didn't work in the general and even they need to aim higher and beyond that to really enable and enact that change we need.

 

[Steel]

Uh.... No. Not if you wanted the black vote back.

He still has over 50% approval ratings and he was the type to bend to the times. I mean, if a connection to the 90s crime bill alone would kill someone in the primary, Hillary would not have won the primary.

 

[andythinkpad]

His prediction was freaking right so I would listen to his opinions.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

One question; What do you hope to accomplish....exactly?

 

[Wag]

I really hope Bernie and Elizabeth Warren support this movement.

I'm in.

 

[Alavard]

As long as the same energy is also channeled into fixing the democratic party, sure. But if all that work has no results come midterms and the next presidential election, it may not be of any help, especially if the movement fades away in 6 months.

 

[JustenP88]

One question; What do you hope to accomplish....exactly?

Compare what the Tea Party movement accomplished with what the Democratic establishment has accomplished over the last ~6 years. That should give you a rough idea.

 

[Staccat0]

He still has over 50% approval ratings and he was the type to bend to the times. I mean, if a connection to the 90s crime bill alone would kill someone in the primary, Hillary would not have won the primary.

She wasn't pushing that though. You said all he'd have to change is his stance on gays. You gotta include crime in that to even get close to Hillary 2016z

 

[TheChocolateWar]

Compare what the Tea Party movement accomplished with what the Democratic establishment has accomplished over the last ~6 years. That should give you a rough idea.

....Property destruction and civil disobedience? Sorry, I'm out. We have four years of Trump unless he is impeached for something.

 

[Steel]

She wasn't pushing that though. You said all he'd have to change is his stance on gays. You gotta include crime in that to even get close to Hillary 2016z

The crime bill was a product of the times, but yeah, he'd have to change that too, but that's really it.

 

[Staccat0]

The crime bill was a product of the times, but yeah, he'd have to change that too, but that's really it.

Arguably also free trade, haha

 

[TheOctodad]

Our Minnesota students are ahead of you:

https://www.facebook.com/fox9kmsp/videos/10154708777889138/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

 

[Steel]

Arguably also free trade, haha

Nah, Hillary wasn't anti-NAFTA and she was only anti-TPP as it was written. Not to mention Obama is in love with TPP and he'd win any primary you'd put him in.

 

[LCGeek]

It's amazing how a week ago the destruction of the Republican party was all but assured.

It is. If you think trump will tolerate people going against them just remember he went through their primaries and came out king. You think twitter honey badger is gonna tolerate them going around his idea, when he can tweet they are trying to ham fist them. Last time I checked he's not the gentleman on keeping things hush and during the last two years has gladly flamed anyone thinking twice about being loyal. This guy literally ethered ted cruz on stage at the convention even after cruz tried burning him badly. It would minutes and his loyal RNC followers will light up anyone who goes against certain ideas. What's that you say midterm challenger. He is scary for a whole host of reasons including this one. The irony of trump is will be the darth vader of american politics when it's over. He's already left the DNC in shambles now I have no doubt he will gladly get his pound of flesh against right wing establishment enemies shoring up more sycophants.

 

[JustenP88]

....Property destruction and civil disobedience? Sorry, I'm out. We have four years of Trump unless he is impeached for something.

Lmao. Ok. Sit patiently and twiddle your thumbs until the damage that a federal government in full Republican control (the most insane iteration of the Republican party in modern history) does over AT LAST the next 4 years.

Keep clutching them pearls at the thought of civil disobedience.

 

[CelticKnight]

Trump filling his administration with ancient has-beens from years gone by, Michael Moore being taken semi seriously, protests against the (soon to be) president.

This entire thing is like some sort of nostalgic nightmare...

 

[IamDodongo]

Can someone other than Moore head this up?

 

[TheChocolateWar]

Lmao. Ok. Sit patiently and twiddle your thumbs until the damage that a federal government in full Republican control (the most insane iteration of the Republican party in modern history) does over AT LAST the next 4 years.

Keep clutching them pearls at the thought of civil disobedience.

I'm sorry, but you are not going to convince me that some kind of revolution or ouster beyond the Rule of Law is a good thing. I am a Moore-minded attorney through and through. Down that road lies the route to anarchy.

 

[Moofers]

You still can. He's got a lot of power within the party now, and a big movement behind him. I respect Moore's passion to start a movement, but we already have a movement and I'm not sure two separate movements is the best idea when we already have Democratic in-fighting going on.

Yep. Rally behind Ellison/Sanders/Warren. We don't need Michael Moore. He carries far too much baggage to be leading any movement.

 

[Ooccoo]

Tent sales probably spiked.

vendetta masks too. don't forget the masks!

 

[DragonSworne]

I'm glad Moore is willing to represent and lead the group.

The last few liberal movements have been ineffective due to a lack of leadership and it allowed the right to easily pick it apart with lies left unchallenged.

 

[maquiladora]

An "Occupy-like" movement isn't enough. It's going to need to be much bigger than that.

 

[ZealousD]

Can it be somebody who isn't Michael Moore?

 

[JaY P.]

I'm sorry, but you are not going to convince me that some kind of revolution or ouster beyond the Rule of Law is a good thing. I am a Moore-minded attorney through and through. Down that road lies the route to anarchy.

The only way an alt-left (lack of a better term) would work is if it stays civil. The alt-right demonstrations during Obama's term were ridiculous, but most of the time they were civil. The protests going on now will only play into Trump's image of the "Law and Order" president. If anything, this movement will need to bridge everyone. Given the divided nature of this country, this is not happening any time soon.

Perhaps our best hope would be to let the conservatives employ their agenda and let the building crumble through their insanity. I think this is the only way people would realize the madness that is the modern Republican Party.

 

[JustenP88]

I'm sorry, but you are not going to convince me that some kind of revolution or ouster beyond the Rule of Law is a good thing. I am a Moore-minded attorney through and through. Down that road lies the route to anarchy.

I'm not looking for any sort of French Revolution, guillotine business. I'm looking for a movement that stays in the headlines and keeps people actively engaged and angry in between primary seasons. I don't think we can afford to "let this situation breathe" then just pick up where we left off a year and a half from now. Trump might fuck around and have no tangible, measurable effect on the average American life over the course of the next two years then we might fuck around and get complacent.

 

[yanipheonu]

I'd take President Moore over President Trump.

And this is from someone who has read some of his books and consider him a crackpot.

 

[Vestal]

Would love to see Van Jones as one of the leaders...

Take a look at this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBNvKM8g_1w

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Sorry for the size

 

[victreeb3l]

Hope they actually organize and have some plans. Occupy failed because there was no leadership or anything.

 

[The Silver]

The Left needs a movement with strong leadership, a crackdown on dumbfucks who co-opt it for violence(its become far to easy for the violence that breaks out during protests to become the story/narrative instead of the protests itself), and for everyone to stop being a bunch of pussies who waste time arguing with each other and instead galvanize around a core message.

The 1st is possible but strong leaders don't come out of the ether, the 2nd you can't truly stop but everyone needs to come out VERY strong against it(this plays into strong leadership), and the 3rd is what I'm most worried about.

 

[Enduin]

....Property destruction and civil disobedience? Sorry, I'm out. We have four years of Trump unless he is impeached for something.

You do realize there is more than just the Presidency right? Congressman, Senators, State Assemblymen, a whole slew of State and Local officials that will likely be up for re-election between now and 2020.

Protests are about expressing dissatisfaction with the way things are and the desired outcome can go far beyond removing Trump. I highly doubt many, if any, really think that's at all a possibility. They are instead looking to send a message to Trump and every other representative in government, and to fellow citizens, that they reject and do not agree with what Trump represents and what he plans to do.

It's about showing there is opposition to who is and what he stands for. To influence those other people in office, letting them know that if they go along with his backwards policies there is going to be a lot of angry voters next time they're up for re-election. And to other citizens to let them know there are people out there like them that aren't happy and are motivated to get out and do something. To potentially affect who gets elected in the next 4 years before we have a chance to remove Trump.

That's where the Dems failed for the past couple decades. They focused on top down politics, completely ignoring State and Local politics. Republicans swept in and have steadily gained control of the vast majority of local offices and state assemblies and governorship, which have real and dramatic control on peoples lives. That's how they've managed to lock in so many safe seats in the congress, put in place voter suppression laws to restrict voting. Enacted discriminatory LGBTQ laws (aka Religious Freedom laws) and anti-union and workers rights laws.

 

[JP_]

Out of genuine curiosity - what did the last Occupy movement accomplish, exactly?

The left's political machine failed it. The Tea Party made a difference because koch money bused them around and helped organize, the GOP gave them a platform and helped get them elected.

Dem party needs to wake the fuck up and support these anti-trump protests, help organize them and build new political candidates from them to infuse new faces into the party, just like tea party. Dem money needs to fund the organization of these protests, bus people out to them etc, just like tea party.

This luke warm dem shit doesn't work. Policy can be mid-left, but the persona needs to be loud and populist. Warren is a good model. American people don't pay enough attention for policy to be the first concern -- it's more about being inspirational and believable. Even polls for bernie supporters backed that up.

First and foremost, american people want the country to be rebalanced -- there's a desire to tear down the elites (economic and political) and there were enough people that thought trump could do it and they thought it was worth the potential dangers, but if you can combine that populism with pro-diversity inclusion and positivity, I think you have the winning formula and you leave republicans with only their bigoted core. There's a strong racist cohort in america, but the fact that trump got fewer votes than romney and clinton shows it's beatable -- but you can't beat it with the same politicians america is tired of.

 

[Staccat0]

Nah, Hillary wasn't anti-NAFTA and she was only anti-TPP as it was written. Not to mention Obama is in love with TPP and he'd win any primary you'd put him in.

I suppose that's true. I guess I was letting Trump and Bernie cloud me on that.