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[Jenov]

So is the goal to try and force Trump to resign or turn down the presidency? Trying to see how this will end up being anything more than an Occupy Wallstreet part 2, which ended up doing squat.

 

[ginger ninja]

LOL!

A week ago GAF fucking hated Michael Moore.

I still kinda do. He may have been right about Trump's election but he is insufferable and some of the things he says are pretty wild, including talk of impeachment before Trump has taken presidency. Michael Moore is not the messiah that would deliver us from this catastrophe.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I want to believe.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

I'm not looking for any sort of French Revolution, guillotine business. I'm looking for a movement that stays in the headlines and keeps people actively engaged and angry in between primary seasons. I don't think we can afford to "let this situation breathe" then just pick up where we left off a year and a half from now. Trump might fuck around and have no tangible, measurable effect on the average American life over the course of the next two years then we might fuck around and get complacent.

Oh, that assuages my fear then. You're just going to garner headlines and keep the opposition alive. Sure, I'm on board. Just don't light anything on fire please. I don't want my colleagues to have to sue ya'll.

 

[Netherscourge]

This will sound bad, but here's the truth:

Democrats need to warm up a lot more to veterans, the active military, fiscal conservatism, Nationalism and national security if they want to get back in the game.

Because those are the exact things that got Trump elected.

Less environment, less constitutional activism, less regulation, less social programs and more state-to-state legislation.

I know that's anti-progressive, but the swing voters don't want that stuff. They don't want a healthcare mandate. They simply want more income and access to cheap healthcare options, at their own choosing.

That's how you bring more undecideds and conservatives around to your side.

And before you say she won the popular vote, 46% of eligible voters didn't vote at all. They would have probably came out for her MORE if she did lean more toward the center and maybe even a tad to the right.

 

[Ithil]

So is the goal to try and force Drumpf to resign or turn down the presidency? Trying to see how this will end up being anything more than an Occupy Wallstreet part 2, which ended up doing squat.

The US government is more than just the presidency.

 

[BSsBrolly]

This will sound bad, but here's the truth:

Democrats need to warm up a lot more to veterans, the active military, fiscal conservatism, Nationalism and national security if they want to get back in the game.

Because those are the exact things that got Trump elected.

Less environment, less constitutional activism, less regulation, less social programs and more state-to-state legislation.

I know that's anti-progressive, but the swing voters don't want that stuff. They don't want a healthcare mandate. They simply want more income and access to cheap healthcare options, at their own choosing.

That's how you bring more undecideds and conservatives around to your side.

And before you say she won the popular vote, 46% of eligible voters didn't vote at all. They would have probably came out for her MORE if she did lean more toward the center and maybe even a tad to the right.

Nah, most of that is aweful. Keep it the hell out of the Democratic platform.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

I dont understand the goal. A movement against Trump for...? Is this like a preemptive strike because that I would not agree with. It has to be reactionary to something actually happening...

 

[Dante]

I'm in! Where can we sign up and how can we get involved?

 

[Ithil]

I dont understand the goal. A movement against Trump for...? Is this like a preemptive strike because that I would not agree with. It has to be reactionary to something actually happening...

Something already did happen. This is the reaction.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

Something already did happen. This is the reaction.

What happened? Trump was elected? That's how this works (or doesn't work) guys.

To be clear I'm saying any "movement" should only be reactionary to something more specific and not preemptive.

 

[DashReindeer]

This will sound bad, but here's the truth:

Democrats need to warm up a lot more to veterans, the active military, fiscal conservatism, Nationalism and national security if they want to get back in the game.

Because those are the exact things that got Trump elected.

Less environment, less constitutional activism, less regulation, less social programs and more state-to-state legislation.

I know that's anti-progressive, but the swing voters don't want that stuff. They don't want a healthcare mandate. They simply want more income and access to cheap healthcare options, at their own choosing.

That's how you bring more undecideds and conservatives around to your side.

And before you say she won the popular vote, 46% of eligible voters didn't vote at all. They would have probably came out for her MORE if she did lean more toward the center and maybe even a tad to the right.

All of that may be true of American politics, but it's horribly problematic in its own right, and basically the whole reason that there is this division in the democratic party to begin with. Progressives are already lashing out against a Democratic party that they see as far too centrist and not representative of their political ideology. That's why Bernie Sanders was able to make as big of an impact as he did this time around. You think those same progressives would want to vote for democratic candidates who shifted even further to the right than Hillary Clinton already did?

This is the division in the country that caused this whole mess to begin with. The political spectrum is far more extreme than its been in a long time, and there isn't a whole lot that can bring people on either side together anymore. I don't see how the Democratic party trying to just be another Republican party is going to solve anything at all.

 

[dabig2]

This will sound bad, but here's the truth:

I would rather this country burn to the ground with Republicans in control than cede any more ground. The Democrats for the past 30 years have ALREADY abandoned the tenets that got to them power in the old days. New Deal and Great Society were all but killed ages ago already.

So no, fuck that. Keep electing Republicans to not govern than to have the Dems continue to be Republican-lite.

 

[Afrodium]

I dont understand the goal. A movement against Trump for...? Is this like a preemptive strike because that I would not agree with. It has to be reactionary to something actually happening...

Got it. I'll sit tight until the first act of unprovoked aggression, THEN will be the time to act!

 

[NimbusD]

It popularized the 99% concept that emphasized the trajectory of inequality. I don't think Bernie could have got so far without Occupy.

ding ding ding!

 

[Kreed]

But Moore was back on Thursday to making a more progressive cri de coeur.

"We're not going to fix the Democratic Party--we're going to take it over," he said.

He suggested that the race was as close as it was because Clinton embraced some of Bernie Sanders' progressive positions, and that the Democratic establishment should respond to the loss not by tacking to the center but continuing in the other direction.

"The Democratic Party doesn't seem to get it. Working people that are both African American and white--don't make it a racial thing--have suffered at the hands of both Republicans and Democrats," Moore said. He grew more fiery. "The DNC has to resign. They all have to resign."

If he's going to take over/fix a party, why not the Republican Party instead?

 

[RMI]

so this was supposed to be the election that destroyed the GOP and forced it to change?

god help us all.

I agree with what Moore is saying here.

The GOP went hard into the craziest elements of their base and it won them the election, regardless of whatever kind of revisionism people want to try and paste over the motivation of Trump voters, we all know why they came out to support his platform.

Dems need to throw all this unity crap into a flaming dumpster where it belongs and start pushing some truly progressive policy ideas.

 

[TurboLibre]

I'm down. Just tell me when and where.

This will sound bad, but here's the truth:

We don't need to convert conservatives (although that would be nice). We just need to motivate all those people that didn't vote this election. Our Democrats are already slightly left of center as it is and driven to maintain the status quo, which may be why so many stayed at home. Something like this could shake up the party and give us the passion the left desperately needs.

 

[ishibear]

If he's going to take over/fix a party, why not the Republican Party instead?

Probably because Trump is the real evil as far as he is concerned? I see where you're coming from though. And I'll just say, there might be a chance to fix them as well. If Trump continues to piss off enough members of the GOP, pulling them in would be interesting.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

well any new movement that can be born needs people with ideas of what to do besides just protesting. hopefully we can keep liberals from splintering off into separate groups because they aren't getting everything they want. there really needs to be one united voice in order for them to get any attention.

This is my concern as well.

This movement, if it's real, needs to quit the infighting, stay focused, and stay angry.

And for the love of god, don't let them divide and conquer like they did when they got Trump elected. Don't let them convince liberals that their candidate(s) are so poisonous that they're better off just staying at home.

By all means, grab for the gold at the end of the rainbow, but realize that sometimes, even a small step toward that gold is better than sitting on your hands while someone else comes along and robs you blind.

 

[CrazyHorse]

Out of genuine curiosity - what did the last Occupy movement accomplish, exactly?

Awareness. Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[Protein]

where do we sign up

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

where do we sign up

Was wondering that myself.

Also, I hope this movement or whatever has some actual, tangible plans for midterm engagement from young voters, working class white voters, and minority voters.

We can stop Trump in his tracks in 2018 if we can actually get together and fight like our lives depended on it (which for some of us, they do).

 

[Holepunch]

So is the goal to try and force Trump to resign or turn down the presidency? Trying to see how this will end up being anything more than an Occupy Wallstreet part 2, which ended up doing squat.

No, the end goal is not to get Trump to resign. We don't have any hard goals other than fix what is broken. We do what the Tea Party did and rake the impurities out our party. Force the DINOs out put up candidates that actually represent our leftist ideals. We turn our anger into an energetic voting block, and start taking seats. Best case scenario we oust Trump in 4 years instead of 8.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

This will sound bad, but here's the truth:

Democrats need to warm up a lot more to veterans, the active military, fiscal conservatism, Nationalism and national security if they want to get back in the game.

Because those are the exact things that got Trump elected.

Less environment, less constitutional activism, less regulation, less social programs and more state-to-state legislation.

I know that's anti-progressive, but the swing voters don't want that stuff. They don't want a healthcare mandate. They simply want more income and access to cheap healthcare options, at their own choosing.

That's how you bring more undecideds and conservatives around to your side.

And before you say she won the popular vote, 46% of eligible voters didn't vote at all. They would have probably came out for her MORE if she did lean more toward the center and maybe even a tad to the right.

Earth is fucked then. Figured that was the case no matter the result of 2016.

 

[oti]

I dont understand the goal. A movement against Trump for...? Is this like a preemptive strike because that I would not agree with. It has to be reactionary to something actually happening...

A lot has happened already, don't you agree?

 

[Ithil]

What happened? Drumpf was elected? That's how this works (or doesn't work) guys.

To be clear I'm saying any "movement" should only be reactionary to something more specific and not preemptive.

Specific like Trump filling the White House with the worst of GOP establishment goons? Using hate group members, lobbyists and corporate heads for his transition team? Promising to roll back essential environment protections?

These things are already happening.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I've rolled my eyes so many times at Michael Moore during the election, but he was spot on with most of it. Not gonna doubt him on this one.

Yup.

 

[Odrion]

Show me where to sign.

 

[Dr. Malik]

The main goal is to energize Dems so they can show up in 2018 by keeping the fear of Trump alive for the next 2 years

 

[Spiral Insanity]

Let's give Trump the crowds he wants.

 

[Yagharek]

Michael Moore has been pretty consistent with his disdain for guns and his concern for the death of production and industry.

This might just be perfect for him.

 

[phanphare]

yeah I'm in. let's fucking go.

 

[Drakeon]

Already guaranteed to be more successful than Occupy, given they actively shunned leaders. God what a waste of a movement.

 

[Mr.Monitor]

I want in. Just point me in the direction and I'm there.

 

[Cow Mengde]

I'm down with it. Too bad I live in China, but I will try and provide whatever support I can.

 

[Foffy]

Out of genuine curiosity - what did the last Occupy movement accomplish, exactly?

Was this a serious question? And are most of the replies to it serious?

Because if so, holy shit has the plot been lost. Ya'll might be in a bigger bubble than conservatives.

Was he? There seems to be lots of differing opinions about it around here.

He was very likely dismissed by HillGAF, just like Bill Maher was.

Both of them called this early on. They knew he tapped into a pulse.

 

[TyrantII]

Occupy was an utter failure.

I'd he's looking to create a more centralized coalition that actually gets people voting and organizing, ok then. If it's about ineffectual protesting and eating your natural allies in purity test, don't bother.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Trump will infiltrate these groups...get the names of its members...and then u will all disappear.

Theres a reason why we have a private ballot.

 

[santi_yo]

He's trying to get to the top of Trump Tower or something right now. He's streaming it live on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/videos/10153920996391857/

 

[slit]

This will sound bad, but here's the truth:

Democrats need to warm up a lot more to veterans, the active military, fiscal conservatism, Nationalism and national security if they want to get back in the game.

Because those are the exact things that got Trump elected.

Less environment, less constitutional activism, less regulation, less social programs and more state-to-state legislation.

I know that's anti-progressive, but the swing voters don't want that stuff. They don't want a healthcare mandate. They simply want more income and access to cheap healthcare options, at their own choosing.

That's how you bring more undecideds and conservatives around to your side.

And before you say she won the popular vote, 46% of eligible voters didn't vote at all. They would have probably came out for her MORE if she did lean more toward the center and maybe even a tad to the right.

Then why not just be GOP supporter at that point? There would be no difference and we'd still have the same problems. How does that solve anything?

You seem to saying "Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em." Fuck that!

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

So is the goal to try and force Trump to resign or turn down the presidency? Trying to see how this will end up being anything more than an Occupy Wallstreet part 2, which ended up doing squat.

This is not true. Occupy Wallstreet was historic. It was the first time we had seen this sort of rally with no internal leader. It was organized online by thousands and thousands of people and because there was no central power or person it was a completely unique and historic situation as to how anybody was to deal with it.
Occupy Wallstreet was symbolic as a major front facing protest against the historic inequality in the western world, and we still talk about it today and hold all other mass socio-economic protests up against it.
Protesting is about being visible and letting your voice be heard. Right now you have millions protesting in South Korea. Regardless if they achieve their objective of making the president resign, they've let themselves be known to the world in a way that no media reporting or online disinfranchisement can show.
So good on people for protesting. If people are deeply unhappy they have a right to be heard. If their ills are so bad they cannot accept being in a society where certain thing is allowed to happen, it puts pressure on government.

 

[messiaen]

This will sound bad, but here's the truth:

Democrats need to warm up a lot more to veterans, the active military, fiscal conservatism, Nationalism and national security if they want to get back in the game.

Because those are the exact things that got Trump elected.

Less environment, less constitutional activism, less regulation, less social programs and more state-to-state legislation.

I know that's anti-progressive, but the swing voters don't want that stuff. They don't want a healthcare mandate. They simply want more income and access to cheap healthcare options, at their own choosing.

That's how you bring more undecideds and conservatives around to your side.

And before you say she won the popular vote, 46% of eligible voters didn't vote at all. They would have probably came out for her MORE if she did lean more toward the center and maybe even a tad to the right.

As someone who grew up in the areas of the country that shifted from Obama to Trump I can tell you most of them aren't that against the progressive agenda. The DNC just really dropped the ball with speaking to the white working class, which used to the demographic that the democratic party always had in the bag. I truly believe Bernie would've won over those people easily with as much as he spoke to them on issues that really affect them.

 

[Boney]

This will sound bad, but here's the truth:

Democrats need to warm up a lot more to veterans, the active military, fiscal conservatism, Nationalism and national security if they want to get back in the game.

Because those are the exact things that got Trump elected.

Less environment, less constitutional activism, less regulation, less social programs and more state-to-state legislation.

I know that's anti-progressive, but the swing voters don't want that stuff. They don't want a healthcare mandate. They simply want more income and access to cheap healthcare options, at their own choosing.

That's how you bring more undecideds and conservatives around to your side.

And before you say she won the popular vote, 46% of eligible voters didn't vote at all. They would have probably came out for her MORE if she did lean more toward the center and maybe even a tad to the right.

With two republican parties republicans will always win

Fuck that.

2016 was a boiling point that's breaking all the public trust in institutions which will have to deal with major reforms to be able to keep functioning. While 2018 would've been a much better date, and as much as I hate Trump, this major break point will catapult progressive ideals if the people are being able to stay mobilized, so in a way, not having a corporate tool will hopefully bring some long term benefit after some rough weather.

 

[Shadynasty]

Nothing in that article described what exactly Moore is going to do/occupy. All he really said is he has plans to lead a movement to take over the Democratic party.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I want no part of this.

Whenever I hear "it's about class/economy", I always think of this conclusion.

White middle class getting benefits, maybe the working class too, POCs getting the trickle down at best. And the poor? Hah.



We're dying on the streets right now. In so many ways.


If the plan is us getting scraps, I don't want it. Economic plans better pay attention to race, gender, and orientation along with class. Intersectionally.

And I don't think Michael is the guy to make a platform like that. He doesn't have the mindset.

 

[CrispyBoar]

I'm in.

 

[Valhelm]

So is the goal to try and force Trump to resign or turn down the presidency? Trying to see how this will end up being anything more than an Occupy Wallstreet part 2, which ended up doing squat.

You miss every shot you don't take

 

[exmachina64]

Out of genuine curiosity - what did the last Occupy movement accomplish, exactly?

Becoming the plot of Dark Knight Rises.

 

[Boney]

I want no part of this.

Whenever I hear "it's about class/economy", I always think of this conclusion.

White middle class getting benefits, maybe the working class too, POCs getting the trickle down at best. And the poor? Hah.



We're dying on the streets right now. In so many ways.


If the plan is us getting scraps, I don't want it. Economic plans better pay attention to race, gender, and orientation along with class. Intersectionally.

And I don't think Michael is the guy to make a platform like that. He doesn't have the mindset.

I don't think you understand what class is.