Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
  • Total voters
    886
  • Poll closed .
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Historia said:
The outcomes from this is that Sony is gearing up for M&A, it is basically no times until game industry becomes heavily consolidated like movies industry.
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Well, yeah, Microsoft started this train and there's nothing stopping it now.

I do think that Sony resisted for as long as it did; they still haven't responded to Zenimax by acquiring a publisher or even a single studio to make their games exclusive and take them away from Xbox.

But after I saw those internal emails by Microsoft executives, I knew it would chang everything. They made it clear that their goal is to outspend Sony and make them starve of content. Now Sony will make moves for sure, and so will others. The industry will be consolidated, and Sony will have to buy stuff if they want to survive and compete.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
Well, yeah, Microsoft started this train and there's nothing stopping it now.

I do think that Sony resisted for as long as it did; they still haven't responded to Zenimax by acquiring a publisher or even a single studio to make their games exclusive and take them away from Xbox.

But after I saw those internal emails by Microsoft executives, I knew it would chang everything. They made it clear that their goal is to outspend Sony and make them starve of content. Now Sony will make moves for sure, and so will others. The industry will be consolidated, and Sony will have to buy stuff if they want to survive and compete.
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It's pretty obvious one particular publisher are in talk with Sony, they spin one of their losing division and some other moves lately to attach their franchise with PS.

I think they may annouce it after this saga though, definitely not a good future for the whole industry.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
But after I saw those internal emails by Microsoft executives, I knew it would change everything.
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Those emails were damning to say the least...

I've always thought to myself that maybe I was being too harsh on the Xbox brand & community.

But after the past few weeks of stalking your threads & posts on GAF, I realized Xbox is a company that wants a monopoly at the expense of gamers like myself.

PlayStation & Nintendo are the last saving graces of the gaming industry.
 
MiyazakiLoVesKojima said:
While I do agree with you that 20 euros a year sounds like a steal, the reality is that Nintendo's service is low-quality when it comes to online multiplayer.

The Catelogue, while nostalgic, is not enough to impress the average gamer nowadays whose accustomed to PS Plus/GamePass in terms of the quality of titles they receive every month for a price that's not too high.

But like you said, that model from Xbox is not sustainable, but MS has the money to burn in order to gain their ultimate goal:

The dissolution of PlayStation.
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Yes of course, Nintendo's offer is not competing with other two. It's a different kind of subscription, but its smarter in my opinion.

No one will change my mind on GP though. They truly believed they were going to win this generation with GP only. They are not even trying with any new IP. All they have to offer is something Bethesda was already working on.
 
Historia said:
It's pretty obvious one particular publisher are in talk with Sony, they spin one of their losing division and some other moves lately to attach their franchise with PS.

I think they may annouce it after this saga though, definitely not a good future for the whole industry.
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For the sake of of pure entertainment, however, I hope it's not SquareEnix and some other publisher instead. SquareEnix is like the safest bet and we all would be like "yeah, that makes sense. Finally Sony put a ring on it!" but any other publisher would be ...

Fire Elmo GIF
 
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havoc00 said:
after they acquired Bethesda why wouldn't they make them exclusive?
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Because it makes no fiscal sense to take multiplat Bethesda content exclusive unless your goal is to coerce consumers to your ecosystem to gouge them for money.

Because the developers themselves don't want the content to be exclusive and unhappy workers make poor quality products.

Because it triggers other companies to retaliate and leads to more acquisitions that remove yet more games from platforms they should have been available on.

Gamers gained absolutely nothing from the Bethesda acquisition - all that happened is options of where we play games have been removed and the quality of the content is reduced.

And in exchange everyone pays more money to MS to cover their acquisition bill.

havoc00 said:
That's like blaming song for making insomniac make sp2 exclusive
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Insomniac didn't have the Spiderman license - Sony did.

We gained a popular gaming IP from that sequence of transactions. Gamers gained content.

From MS acquisitions we gained nothing and instead lost out in both quality of content and options of where to play.
 
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Heisenberg007 said:
I don't think so. The reality is that these decisions on average take around 40 days.

There is this weird expectation from gamers that the judge would share her decision before July 11 ends so Microsoft could be accommodated. It's just that weird sense of entitlement that some fanboys have.

If Judge Corley takes the same average number of days to release her decision, a decision would come in early August. July 18's deadline isn't really her concern. But some fanboys want(ed) her to prioritize this case only to accommodate Microsoft and ensure this acquisition did not fail.
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Unfortunately some people just build their castles in the air, they end up believing them without realizing about the irrationality.

Microsoft bypassing UK? Super easy and feasible!

The US courtsystem completely bound to the needs of a corporation delivering verdicts in time to fulfill certain narratives? That's obvious!

Microsoft and Activision negotiating an extension past July 18th just to wait for the verdict in the US? Uh oh!? :pie_grinning_sweat:
 
StratosGK said:
Yes of course, Nintendo's offer is not competing with other two. It's a different kind of subscription, but its smarter in my opinion.

No one will change my mind on GP though. They truly believed they were going to win this generation with GP only. They are not even trying with any new IP. All they have to offer is something Bethesda was already working on.
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Yep, well said. Their biggest achievement this generation so far is picking a multiplatform game that's already conceptualized and in full production, canceling its PS5 version, and making it Xbox exclusive. That's what their community is looking forward to the most for the last 3 years. If you isolate it, everything else is extremely barren. And they did not even try. Hence, all these acquisition attempts.
 
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Elios83 said:
Unfortunately some people just build their castles in the air, they end up believing them without realizing about the irrationality.

Microsoft bypassing UK? Super easy and feasible!

The US courtsystem completely bound to the needs of a corporation delivering verdicts in time to fulfill certain narratives? That's obvious!

Microsoft and Activision negotiating an extension past July 18th just to wait for the verdict in the US? Uh oh!? :pie_grinning_sweat:
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Have you noticed how quiet it's been in this thread compared to a week ago when Aaron's soldiers were putting in full-time boots-on-the ground work trying to savour the "narratives" that were pushed into our throats these past few years?

I genuinely felt like **** when I realized that Xbox, as a brand, was deliberately astroturfing using their fanbase as proxy for their corporate warfare.

It's both surreal & terrifying to know that human beings like myself have become mouthpieces for legitimate corporate warfare.

PlayStation would never be this overt/blatant.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
For the sake of of pure entertainment, however, I hope it's not SquareEnix and some other publisher instead. SquareEnix is like the safest bet and we all would be like "yeah, that makes sense. Finally Sony put a ring on it!" but any other publisher would be ...

Fire Elmo GIF
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I can think of any other feasible target though. EA, Take2? That's impossible and even if they attempt it would be too risky, they would be under scrutiny by regulators.

Capcom, Koei? I don't think they are interested to sell even with a big bag.
Sega? Oh please.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
Yep, well said. Their biggest achievement this generation so far is picking a multiplatform game that's already conceptualized and in full production, canceling its PS5 version, and making it Xbox exclusive. That's what their community is looking forward to the most for the last 3 years. If you isolate it, everything else is extremely barren. And they did not even try. Hence, all these acquisition attempts.
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The figurative bloodthirst that came out of the Xbox community was depressing & disturbing to say the least.

Gaming was a much more innocent hobby before Xbox & the community it designed & fostered came into the scene.

To find joy in removing multiplatform games from gamers who were already accustomed to that expectation is a new low for modern societal behaviours.
 
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Heisenberg007 said:
Yep, well said. Their biggest achievement this generation so far is picking a multiplatform game that's already conceptualized and in full production, canceling its PS5 version, and making it Xbox exclusive. That's what their community is looking forward to the most for the last 3 years. If you isolate it, everything else is extremely barren. And they did not even try.
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If you remove GP for a while from the picture, their community has nothing to win from all this. Maybe bragging rights, but thats pathetic.

Instead, they could throw the freaking 67 billions on new studios, recruit some veterans and MAKE GAMES!!

If the deal fails, they will pay Activision 3 billions just for a handshake they did a year ago.
3 BILLIONS
That's more than 10 times the budget of TLoU2. Almost as much as 10 times the budget of RDR2.

This is the definition of fuck you money, and the community is not able to see who this "fuck you" is addressed to.
 
StratosGK said:
If you remove GP for a while from the picture, their community has nothing to win from all this. Maybe bragging rights, but thats pathetic.

Instead, they could throw the freaking 67 billions on new studios, recruit some veterans and MAKE GAMES!!

If the deal fails, they will pay Activision 3 billions just for a handshake they did a year ago.
3 BILLIONS
That's more than 10 times the budget of TLoU2. Almost as much as 10 times the budget of RDR2.

This is the definition of fuck you money, and the community is not able to see who this "fuck you" is addressed to.
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This makes it even more obvious that Xbox never had the same philosophy for the gaming industry as a creative & innovative field in comparison to PlayStation & Nintendo...
 
So the deal in it's current form is basically dead in the water. Should we expect re-negotiation news soon or quiet 3bn-worth press-release at 18th?
 
ZehDon said:
Sorry, I assumed you were just a Neo Member trying to make everyone laugh by posting hilarious non-sense like:

I'd recommend waiting for your Neo status to dry up before you go full tilt.
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Did you think I'd forget about you, Mr. Developer?

What other personas have your community "designed & fostered" to push a deliberate social-media driven narrative for your brand to achieve/accomplish a certain business milestone in a grand scheme like a monopoly over an industry?

The fact is: your community has been designed & fostered to push console warring during the "Golden Era of the Xbox 360":

www.nme.com

Former Xbox executive says Microsoft "encouraged" console wars in 360 era

Although it wasn't done to create division
www.nme.com www.nme.com
 
Historia said:
I just hope scrutiny from regulators and 3 billion make them quit this toxic strategy

Just imagine they drop another 4 billion for Ubisoft.
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Ubisoft real price is buying price + half.
4 billion to buy them, then 2 billion in restructuring, layoffs, creating new managing teams, ending contracts and lawyers, and, in the end, it might not be worth it.
 
ZehDon said:
Sorry, I assumed you were just a Neo Member trying to make everyone laugh by posting hilarious non-sense like:

I'd recommend waiting for your Neo status to dry up before you go full tilt.
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Careful mate. If you cunts aint careful, Kojima is gonna git you right in the down under.
 
Xbox has rarely felt as an entity interested on the proper management of talent and creative teams but rather on creating and designing services (Xbox live, game pass).

The problem is that the product are games and business models are not games.
 
The Pleasure said:
Careful mate. If you cunts aint careful, Kojima is gonna git you right in the down under.
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I'll let them "attack" me with their reaction emojis, even though I've been following this GAF thread & the FTC drama/exposè for the past months or so.

In other words, I'm very aware of their "games" so to speak 💅

As Maria Antoinette once said:

"Let them Eat Cake" 💅
 
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ShaiKhulud1989 said:
I really think the judge is waiting for it to fail naturally in all honesty
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I doubt it. The judge is a judge, and judges take on multiple cases at once. She'll get to it when she gets to it. She even commented on this during the hearing, if they wanted her to rule so soon, why did they wait until the last minute to have the hearing in the first place?
 
Alex Scott said:
If the decision comes in mail then the judge could have ruled on the 10th and sent the mail but the mail could arrive one or two day later.
Idk if that makes sense or not.

Also I think it is the latter. If judge makes the decision on the 11th then MS can't close by the 18th. Countdown starts the day after the judge's rule so it will start on Wednesday.
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Yes I believe by legal convention a physical mail is considered delivered the moment it is posted regardless of when the recipient receives it.

But realistically I'm sure the judgement would be communicated electronically instantly the Judge was prepared to deliver the verdict, and we'd hear about it via twitter or something soon after.

In terms of day I'd also assume 5 business days after the judgement would count from the day following the judgement being issued, which means the acquisition is at least already blocked until July 18 at 11.59pm which is the same time the acquisition deal itself expires.

But 5 business days from the 11th would be Monday 17th and I could also see how that would be the way of counting it.

I don't know - let's see I guess.
 
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ToadMan said:
Yes I believe by legal convention a physical mail is considered delivered the moment it is posted regardless of when the recipient receives it.

But realistically I'm sure the judgement would be communicated electronically instantly the Judge was prepared to deliver the verdict, and we'd hear about it via twitter or something soon after.

In terms of day I'd also assume 5 business days after the judgement would count from the day following the judgement being issued, which means the acquisition is at least already blocked until July 18 at 11.59pm which is the same time the acquisition deal itself expires.

But 5 business days from the 11th would be Monday 17th and I could also see how that would be the way of counting it.

I don't know - let's see I guess.
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I was the one who quoted you and brought up Tuesday a few days ago.

But I have been thinking about it since then. Honestly, it could go either way, but logically, you would have the FTC or Microsoft to have the full 5 business days. That means the current timeline has already stretched it to July 18 EOD.

The alternative is weirder -- if they are counting the decision day as the 1st business day. In that scenario, what if the judge publishes her decision at 4 PM. FTC/MS will have only 1 hour of that business day to work on the appeal. That doesn't sound fair.
 
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IntentionalPun said:
People say dumb shit on Twitter, news at 11.

I really hate how many of you post that shit here, it makes this forum worse.
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Noppe why? Expose does brainfarts and let everyone see how brainwashed they are. Lets take about it and have some fun sometimes, cause that is where a forum is for...when you dont like it ore it triggers you dont read them. You are not talking for "all of us".
 
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Heisenberg007 said:
I was the one who quoted you and brought up Tuesday a few days ago.

But I have been thinking about it since then. Honestly, it could go either way, but logically, you would have the FTC or Microsoft to have the full 5 business days. That means the current timeline has already stretched it to July 18 EOD.

The alternative is weirder -- if they are counting the decision day as the 1st business day. In that scenario, what if the judge publishes her decision at 4 PM. FTC/MS will have only 1 hour of that business day to work on the appeal. That doesn't sound fair.
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Yeah I've been wondering. The wording is somewhat open to interpretation.

Personally I don't think we get a decision today anyway which puts the whole thing to bed.

Just yesterday (10th) ATVI was asking for some of MS's documents to be redacted. I think a judgement today would still be coming in very hot.
 
ToadMan said:
Yeah I've been wondering. The wording is somewhat open to interpretation.

Personally I don't think we get a decision today anyway which puts the whole thing to bed.

Just yesterday (10th) ATVI was asking for some of MS's documents to be redacted. I think a judgement today would still be coming in very hot.
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I agree. I think there is a strong possibility for the judgment to be delayed even beyond July 18 -- unless the judge is actively prioritizing this case at the expense of other cases.

And, yes, she will make some of the documents public tomorrow. But that has nothing to do with the decision or its timing, which may or may not be tomorrow.
 
Just going over through the history and it's remarkable how it lines up.

The year in which Matt Booty is talking about spending Sony out of business, is the year in which an investigation starts about ABK work culture. Two years later shit hits the fan, Mike Ybarra joins, Phil Spencer starts talking about changing relationship with ABK as if MS is out there in shining armor, and then they start the acquisition process with the media and reetards like spreading the word about MS saving the world from bad actors.

It's all connected.
 
Thirty7ven said:
Just going over through the history and it's remarkable how it lines up.

The year in which Matt Booty is talking about spending Sony out of business, is the year in which an investigation starts about ABK work culture. Two years later shit hits the fan, Mike Ybarra joins, Phil Spencer starts talking about changing relationship with ABK as if MS is out there in shining armor, and then they start the acquisition process with the media and reetards like spreading the word about MS saving the world from bad actors.

It's all connected.
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Nokia. #NeverForget
 
Thirty7ven said:
Just going over through the history and it's remarkable how it lines up.

The year in which Matt Booty is talking about spending Sony out of business, is the year in which an investigation starts about ABK work culture. Two years later shit hits the fan, Mike Ybarra joins, Phil Spencer starts talking about changing relationship with ABK as if MS is out there in shining armor, and then they start the acquisition process with the media and reetards like spreading the word about MS saving the world from bad actors.

It's all connected.
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God damn!

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