IFireflyl
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Oh, get off of Microsoft's wiener.
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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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Oh, get off of Microsoft's wiener.
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gothmog
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So they're paying you or something?
IFireflyl
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That's what I heard.
The Pleasure
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IFireflyl
Gold Member
I prefer corporations not buying up third-party IPs that they can abandon or run into the ground. And no, that isn't a Microsoft-specific viewpoint.
wtf! you guys play the man so hard, why not just discuss the topic?
No what I meant was that its cheaper to game on xbox/PC with gamepass than Nintendo or Playstation paying RRP. I know because I have them all.
CMA wants me paying more for games, hence me saying I prefer the money in my bank account not theirs.
CMA logic , we will save consumers by making gaming more expensive and harder to access!
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Danjin44
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How to acquire a company in America
IFireflyl
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We know what you meant. We were making a joke.
demigod
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We have to keep guys like this around or else GAF will be a ghost town.
Nydius
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Funny, considering the EC makes the exact same concerns about the future of cloud gaming as the CMA did, the only difference being they chose the short term remedy over the long term one.
Goddamn this thread has really brought out all the Twittards who want to type more than 140 characters on Twitter but don't want to pay for Twitter Blue to do so.
By the way, those "cheaper" games you think you get on Game Pass. They have a cost. That cost is called QUALITY. If you want to pay less for cheap shit, by all means, go ahead. I prefer to actually pay for quality products.
HundredThousandTrillion
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Cool. Now that we have this over and done with.
My son will be playing a Microsoft exclusive on Microsoft GamePass (RIP "Xbox") in 2033.
BANK ON IT!
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You're reading it correctly but it's not tough to accomplish. This is the way Geforce Now and Boosteriod currently works. You can rent a PC, sign into steam or EGS and stream your games. This would likely just mean that you sign into your gamepass/xbox account in much the same way. You end up paying for gamepass/xbox purchases and MTX in MS' ecosystem and pay nvidia on top to be able to stream.
It isn't the way Luna or PS+ Premium works though unless Luna and co change their business model to get access to ABK games. They won't anytime soon either because after the deal there is absolutely no chance MS make linux versions of games to run on Amazon servers to promote cloud install base growth and there is no way PS+ Premium would hand the keys to the kingdom to MS and get no game or mtx money at all, with it all going to MS instead.
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Yet they chose to weight reality more highly than made up futures.
EC wants to improve overall access and reduce the cost of gaming.
CMA wants to keep prices high and keep access more limited.
The fact CMA doubled down so hard and keeps tweeting shows how insecure they are about their delusional decision.
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HundredThousandTrillion
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BLOCKADE THE UK!
XesqueVara
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They have a full report too but that comes sometime affer the decision(normally months)
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The Pleasure
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MasterCornholio
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Isn't the CMA not backing down from their original decision going to make this really difficult to happen?
The Pleasure
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Bing shilling bing shilling bing shilling yeah.
ShaiKhulud1989
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I love how some people that are totally okay with shortsighted bait-and-switch right now will almost always be the biggest crybabies when the prices will inevitably rise and the catalogue shrink in 3 to 5 years from now.
If you really want that “free CoD” and “free Diablo” that badly (free on a subscription service lol), Warzone and Immortal are here for you. Draconian monetization is not a problem because I’m sure it will be introduced into GP CoD/Blizzard titles if by some miracle this deal will get through.
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DeepEnigma
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Nothing1234
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nice to see you reacting again buddy.There is nothing free about gamepass. Its like trying to claim netflix is free.
Keep playing the man and avoiding the topic !
Do you think gamepass catalog has lower MC scores than the game market as a whole?
3liteDragon
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I see the cope is still strong with some, it’s just hilarious watching some of you constantly setting yourselves up for L’s like this every damn time.
First it was the 12 TFLOPs console “that eats monsters for breakfast”, then it was “this gen is gonna be close in console sales” & now this deal, which is pretty much dead at this point, keep ‘em coming I guess.
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DeepEnigma
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ShaiKhulud1989
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Well, Netflix domination doesn't push overall VO market to 'improve overall access and reduce the cost '. If anything, a lot of VOD services right now, when the market is mature with clear overall leader, is in-line with poicy where you 'keep prices high and keep access more limited'. So even from that angle CMA is kinda right.
I'm using your words, you know. Albeit in a slightly sarcastic way.
Once again (for the 99th time in this thread). It's easier to prevent a potential monopoly than to break one up (the latter is almost impossible in modern business climate). EC is okay with big fines, CMA took the more preemptive root.
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IFireflyl
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But that's my point. Amazon Luna and Sony PlayStation don't have a way for Microsoft to verify/validate purchases made outside of those ecosystems. Unless all ABK games would have to have a separate Microsoft login in-game... And that would be super annoying for me.
THE DUCK
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Oh, another one of those armchair "experts" that has decreed that gamepass equals lower quality. You do realize that a massive pool of cash from gamepass revenues could actually result in high quality games and even innovation and risk long term, right? And that to date there really zero proof that gamepass equals lower quality?
"I prefer to buy quality products" what a bunch of self pontificating bs.
DeepEnigma
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There is no way Amazon and Sony would even want that business model so I wouldn't worry. The EC have just accepted the remedies MS have given to the likes of nvidia and boosteriod which essentially makes them MS customers to gamepass, the xbox ecosystem and windows.
Heisenberg007
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ABK can demand more money. But who in his right mind in Microsoft will offer them that money? That's the biggest question.
The deal is almost dead, and the CAT appeal has minimal chances of reversing CMA's decision. Whoever convinces the others that we should offer ABK $6 billion instead of $3 billion in case the appeal fails and the deal remains blocked will be essentially putting his job on the line at Microsoft.
Who will do that?
IFireflyl
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The same could be said about you. We don't know the long-term consequences of subscription game services, nor do we know how Game Pass is affecting the overall industry right now.
Logically, if the industry shifts to subscription games over purchased games, this means consumers will be spending less on games. This means less money for developers/studios/publishers. This would have to be made up for by either drastically increasing subscription prices, or developers/studios/publishers moving towards content that they can heavily monetize with micro-transactions.
That's the reality IF subscription services become the norm. If subscriptions only ever make up a small percentage of the industry, then who gives a shit? The status quo would continue in that case.
demigod
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Stop breeding folks.
IFireflyl
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It doesn't matter what they want. The EC's remedy says that a cloud gaming license has to be provided for a consumer to play their purchased game on ANY cloud gaming service. It doesn't say that this is limited to a cloud gaming service that decides to bend to Microsoft.
This means that if a consumer in the EU buys Call of Duty on Xbox, but they want to play that game on their PlayStation cloud stream service, Microsoft has to find a way to make that work. Otherwise they are violating the consumer's right according to the EC remedy.
Nothing1234
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All this “cloud gaming isnt important”looks funny now.
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The Pleasure
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Your account is over ten years old, yet you have been active for roughly 15-16 months AND only post to shill Microsoft? Are you a Senjutsu alt? Are you one of Darkmage's many astroturfs or do just believe the sweet sweet kool aid of Phil Spender?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I won't say you're misreading, but later parts in the same report say:
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Topher
said, it's not feasible to expect people who've bought one console version of a game to have universal access to stream all console versions. It's probably gonna be tied down to the eco-system where the game was bought, and of course if, say, Sony doesn't want to allow streaming on their platform, that's out of the scope of the remedy.I'm not sure what you mean it doesn't matter what they want. There is no way PS, Luna, the now dead Stadia would ever want to gain nothing from premium game and mtx sales. That's why what you're saying regarding an xbox bought game being playable on Luna or PS+ Premium would never happen.
It doesn't mean that. You won't be able to play an xbox license game on competing cloud services who would want a margin on premium game sales or mtx. Unless those services change their business model and just become MS customers there is no way. On services that are happy to do that like Boosteriod or GFN this works though.
This place has always been an insufferable Sony circlejerk. Personal attacks instead of discussing the topic is one of the reasons.
ShaiKhulud1989
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Thank you for your valuable market insights and a precious addition to our discussion then. /s
THE DUCK
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It's not logical to assume pass systems would result in consumers spending less on games. In fact, MS is counting on the idea that they will spend more. Once people subscribe, a lot of them will stay on no matter what. Yes you may lose some money on people like us, but it's the more mainstream gamers who buy only a game a year that they make money on. And don't forget they find that gamepass gamers are engaging more and buying extra games and more add-ons (not just micro transactions). Plus it potentially hooks them into your eco-system which could be extremely valuable into the next generations.
Also I agree that is an IF, it could easily be a split still, it's clear there is still room for regular game sales even in a market with pass systems.
Guy attacking the entire site instead of discussing the topic talking about attacks instead of discussing the topic.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
IFireflyl
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I won't say you're misreading, but later parts in the same report say:
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I guess I'm still reading that quote the same way though. It says that any EU consumer that buys a game in an online store (which basically means any digital purchase) has access to stream the game via any cloud streaming game service that operates in the EU. That still includes Amazon Luna and Sony PlayStation, and I don't see how Microsoft is going to be able to provide a cloud streaming game license to Amazon Luna or Sony PlayStation if the EU consumer bought the game on their Xbox Series X.
Amazon Luna and Sony PlayStation would certainly get their cut of micro-transactions. The games and micro-transactions still go through their services. They aren't putting Game Pass/xCloud on their platforms.
That's not what the verbiage of the EC's remedy says. It says that an EU consumer has to be allowed to play a game on whatever cloud streaming game service that they want (as long as that cloud streaming game service is offered in the EU).
IFireflyl
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The extra content you're talking about costs time and money to make. The idea that consumers are going to spend less on the game purchase and then spend more than they would have from the game purchase on DLC is absurd. And with AAA games having 4-7+ year release cycles that cost hundreds of millions of dollars per game, I don't see how game subscriptions are beneficial to the industry as a whole in the long-term. Call me cynical, but I just can't see where the money is coming from. (Again, only talking about the hypothetical scenario in which subscriptions become the norm, not a secondary/complementary service.)
Nothing1234
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Explain what you mean?
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MasterCornholio
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You can always leave. I know the mods here don't like it when anyone develops a persecution complex so you might want to avoid that if possible.
The Pleasure
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Oh look. Phil Spender's investment in ChatGPT and Artificial Intelligence is speaking. It's still having Final Fantasies over the Activision Merger. Is this what they mean by Power your Dreams? Because many Xbox fans dreams seem to be powered by acquisition and making games exclusive instead of making their own games.
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They won't with the remedies they offered. This has been mentioned in the CMA block. They 100% go to MS.
How would a game bought on xbox and streamed elsewhere have the game sales margin go to the service? It's not possible.
The remedy says that MS is prohibited from blocking a service from streaming a licenced game (keep in mind that a 'license' is for a particular hardware/OS version of a game). So if PS for example want customers to have the ability to stream an ABK game bought on PS MS cannot prevent Sony from being able to do this on their service. It doesn't mean MS must provide the ability to stream a game bought on xbox on PS+ Premium. MS would actually love that anyway because they get that 30%. It's PS who wouldn't want this business model. Same with PS bought games being streamable on xcloud. Sony would love that, MS won't.
Now where things get interesting is where the battles are. MS know that they have the cloud services advantage and are more interested in killing those who are content providers at the moment. Nvidia and boosteriod are not real competition as content providers if you're just playing your Windows store/xbox/gamepass bought games and mtx through it. They are a cloud service that boosts other content providers.
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