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[DeepEnigma]

Well, playing Redfall wasn't a pre-requisite for y'all to get that games review thread to a mammoth 75 pages and going, so have at it hoss

Pretty baller how a Gaf review thread has more engagement than the game itself. And far more entertaining, for sure. Kind of like a bad car wreck where everyone slows down to get a gander.

I nominate the Gaf Redfall review thread for GOTY contention. Never in doubt.

MS recognizes they need to do better. Again. Don't you want MS to do better, adamsapple ?

 

[gothmog]

It would still be owned by MS, but it acts as a separate entity for buisness in the UK, under the rules set by the CMA

Keep em coming. You weren't kidding when you talked about meltdowns.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Listen, I am no expert on business, regulators, mergers, acquisitions, but I am fairly sure that [something completely implausible]

- this entire thread.

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

The floodgates of "alternative account" ville are open and they come in packs! Whatch out!

The Hopium is precious ...

To paraphrase the great dragons dogma,
"Fanboys post in packs, arisen!"

 

[GHG]

Nope. Just need a tattoo of Daddy Spencer somewhere on your body.

It’s just not true that if I go off and get great Phil Spencer tatoos then all of a sudden you’re going to see Xbox fans' attitudes towards me shift in some dramatic way.

 

[adamsapple]

MS recognizes they need to do better. Again. Don't you want MS to do better, adamsapple ?

But like you said, the thread is unanimously a dumping ground for memes and tweets from randos with very little engagement about the game itself.

 

[Banjo64]

Well, playing Redfall wasn't a pre-requisite for y'all to get that games review thread to a mammoth 75 pages and going, so have at it hoss

people enjoy laughing at shit - what's the problem?

 

[adamsapple]

people enjoy laughing at shit - what's the problem?

No problem, just noting that playing the game wasn't a pre-requisite for the memes.

 

[DeepEnigma]

But like you said, the thread is unanimously a dumping ground for memes and tweets from randos with very little engagement about the game itself.

Sir, sir, this isn't a Holliday Inn Express.

 

[DJ12]

I do personally think the CMA blocking was silly on the grounds that it blocked it on. Cloud gaming is such a tiny portion of the gaming market and I don't see it getting anywhere that big in the next 10 years because of lag along on multiplayer games.

I'm getting pretty bored of this take.

MS are going all in on the cloud, and we still have people going on about it being a tiny market.

MS are expecting this to be the future of gaming.

You are either being narrow sighted about this or believe everyone at MS is an idiot for going for the cloud market.

it doesn't really matter if you think it's going to get big, MS clearly do and they are trying to corner the market early so no one else bothers.

 

[Neofire]

That’s not how any of this works

You can’t acquire a company when you’ve been blocked by the regulators

Just let him continue to think it works the way he think it does. Lol at the end of the day he will be looking like a fool because in no world has a acquisition got blocked in multiple regions and the merger happened no matter what lol.

 

[reinking]

I haven't been on the thread much because it's not that interesting to me personally if it happens or not, I'd like to get my Call Of Duty on Gamepass as it would save me £70 a year but apart from that I'm not really bothered.
The people with the most posts on this thread seem to be people who don't play on Xbox for some reason but then would love Xbox to "compete" or so they claim.

 

[bender]

No problem, just noting that playing the game wasn't a pre-requisite for the memes.

Game Pass makes it more affordable than ever to laugh at train wrecks.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You are either being narrow sighted about this or believe everyone at MS is an idiot for going for the cloud market.

That's the rub, innit?

 

[noise36]

EU approval shows the CMA decision was a farce and they dont understand the industry.

Maybe MS just blocks ABK games from gamepass in UK, CMA gets what they want forcing everyone in UK to pay more for games and have less options to play them.

Regional content differences are super common for streaming so its not without precedent.

 

[adamsapple]

it doesn't really matter if you think it's going to get big, MS clearly do and they are trying to corner the market early so no one else bothers.

"Early" is not the right word I'd use, considering xcloud already had multiple predecessors and we've already seen a full-blown cloud console come and go in the market.

They're just the only ones who haven't managed to crash and burn in the cloud sphere so far, and that's mainly because their cloud service is not a standalone product.

 

[DeepEnigma]

EU approval shows the CMA decision was a farce and they dont understand the industry.

Maybe MS just blocks ABK games from gamepass in UK, CMA gets what they want forcing everyone in UK to pay more for games and have less options to play them.

Regional content differences are super common for streaming so its not without precedent.

My goodness. Are they breeding?

 

[Banjo64]

No problem, just noting that playing the game wasn't a pre-requisite for the memes.

Yeah I’m always cool with you - it’s a fair note but a pretty redundant one IMO.

 

[Jigsaah]

It does nothing to change the current situation other than giving low information fans new propagated talking points being spawned.

In fact, the EU decision even recognizes and AGREES with the CMA's reason. EU seems to be salivating at the thought of levies.

Ok so it's a nothing burger.. going back to sleep

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

EU approval shows the CMA decision was a farce and they dont understand the industry.

Maybe MS just blocks ABK games from gamepass in UK, CMA gets what they want forcing everyone in UK to pay more for games and have less options to play them.

Does'nt work that way, the contract says cma has to allow the merger

They would have to renegotiate a new purchase agreement that does not include the CMA, and that means a new shareholder vote.

If they event went that way, xbox and activision would have to exit UK entirely.

 

[noise36]

My goodness. Are they breeding?

Differences of opinion on a discussion forum???

95% of people here thought the deal would be approved by CMA and no one considered cloud important enough to discuss it in any detail, then after CMA decision its was cloud cloud cloud, the narrative changed to rationalize and accommodate the farcical decision.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Does'nt work that way, the contract says cma has to allow the merger

They would have to renegotiate a new purchase agreement that does not include the CMA, and that means a new shareholder vote.

Which I believe also can't happen.

 

[Banjo64]

My goodness. Are they breeding?

‘wake up bbe, new dm from greenberg just dropped’

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Which I believe also can't happen.

Is that so?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Is that so?

You can't just do business in countries without their regulation boards included in consolidation approvals, especially of this caliber, etc..

Pretty sure of that, but not 100%.

 

[Topher]

Does'nt work that way, the contract says cma has to allow the merger

They would have to renegotiate a new purchase agreement that does not include the CMA, and that means a new shareholder vote.

If they event went that way, xbox and activision would have to exit UK entirely.

Actually Microsoft would have to exit the UK entirely. Not going to happen.

 

[Yoboman]

It would still be owned by MS, but it acts as a separate entity for buisness in the UK, under the rules set by the CMA

Let me understand:

Microsoft will buy Activision
But it will be a seperate company... Owned by Microsoft
Unlike Activision Blizzard in the rest of the world which will operate as a seperate company.. owned by Microsoft
And to do this Microsoft will propose this structural remedy to the CMA? I expect there will be some time travel involved to go back to when structural remedies were on the table?

 

[Pipoqueiro]

Can microsoft just ignore the uk and proceed with the purchase? Opening an activision subsidiary in the uk?

 

[Topher]

Can microsoft just ignore the uk and proceed with the purchase? Opening an activision subsidiary in the uk?

Only if Microsoft is willing to hand over 10% of its global revenue in fines to UK on an annual basis.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Can microsoft just ignore the uk and proceed with the purchase? Opening an activision subsidiary in the uk?

No. CMA put even more restrictions on trying to do that.

Only if Microsoft is willing to hand over 10% of its global revenue to UK on an annual basis.

And with such tight profit margins in the game industry when it comes to operating income... ouch.

 

[jm89]

Can microsoft just ignore the uk and proceed with the purchase? Opening an activision subsidiary in the uk?

 

[Topher]

No. CMA put even more restrictions on trying to do that.



And with such tight profit margins in the game industry when it comes to operating income... ouch.

I mean.....we are talking about $20 billion in fines annually in order to make a $69 billion acquisition.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Actually Microsoft would have to exit the UK entirely. Not going to happen.

And then the Copyright and Trademark for Microsoft, Windows, Azure, Bing, Xbox, DirectX etc, etc would all be invalidated and could be sold on to Google, Amazon or Apple by the government for a few quid.

 

[LordCBH]

I mean.....we are talking about $20 billion in fines annually in order to make a $69 billion acquisition.

That’s called THE ART OF THE DEAL, BABY!!

 

[DeepEnigma]

That’s called THE ART OF THE DEAL, BABY!!

 

[M1987]

Can microsoft just ignore the uk and proceed with the purchase? Opening an activision subsidiary in the uk?

No

 

[graywolf323]

‘wake up bbe, new dm from greenberg just dropped’

honestly I swear they work in shifts, it’s interesting to note how some of the usuals will fall off of threads over the course of a day while at the same time others start posting just coincidentally around the same time

 

[bender]

I mean.....we are talking about $20 billion in fines annually in order to make a $69 billion acquisition.

 

[noise36]

‘wake up bbe, new dm from greenberg just dropped’

My goodness. Are they breeding?

honestly I swear they work in shifts, it’s interesting to note how some of the usuals will be replaced by others over the course of a day

Why not play the ball instead of the man?

Not everyone lives in the US and not everyone primarily games on PS5 even if they own one.

 

[Topher]

Why not play the ball instead of the man?

Cuz that hot take of yours has been thrown out at least a half dozen times today.

Not everyone lives in the US and not everyone primarily games on PS5 even if they own one.

 

[jm89]

Ok it's making sense where these takes are coming off about the whole acitivision UK spin off theory. And it isn't Florian nutter only peddling this.

 

[feynoob]

Reading back the thread is nice sometimes

As of right now, this deal does not pass without some major concessions being written in. Either divestment of CoD or CoD + Blizzard, or some other agreements the CMA finds agreeable.

As for killing it outright, they basically aren't going to do that. Rather, they have put the ball in MS' court to decide one of two things:

> Fundamentally alter the deal and lower the value you'll derive from it
> Walk away from it.

If MS hasn't made one of these two choices by the deadline in March, the CMA will then kill it in April.

 

[Topher]

Ok it's making sense where these takes are coming off about the whole acitivision UK spin off theory. And it just isn't Florian nutter peddling this.

Gaming "journalism".

 

[noise36]

Cuz that hot take of yours has been thrown out at least a half dozen times today.

and?

 

[GHG]

Ok it's making sense where these takes are coming off about the whole acitivision UK spin off theory. And it just isn't Florian nutter peddling this.

Why do so many of the gaming "media" and "journalists" bat so hard for Microsoft?

 

[Topher]

and?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Why not play the ball instead of the man?

Not everyone lives in the US and not everyone primarily games on PS5 even if they own one.

I wonder what it's like to have a perpetual persecution complex.

 

[ulantan]

Why do so many of the gaming "media" and "journalists" bat so hard for Microsoft?

Because Microsoft is kind and good unlike every other corporation on earth that's why they are worth 2 trillion dollars.

 

[LordCBH]

 

[DeepEnigma]

Why do so many of the gaming "media" and "journalists" bat so hard for Microsoft?

I have said it here before Xbox sends gifts in the form of game pass cards and SSDs to people like this to put Xbox in a favorable light

And yes I have the receipts and have shared them with mods here