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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
  • Total voters
    886
  • Poll closed .
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DeepEnigma

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Poltz said:
A random twitter user.
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Let him keep going. This is desperate, even for him.
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But remember, there was never a PS5 version either. Depends on which point of the retard argument is going.
 
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Heisenberg007

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PaintTinJr said:
I wonder if they can even go back to ATVI shareholders, now - the more I think about it.

At the point when the merger has failed in July, ATVI and Microsoft would be independent again, AFAIK, so the appeal process would be gone - because how do you appeal something without the other party? - and the stipulation they then can't try again for 10years would be in effect surely?

So the question would then be: does the renegotiating the deal and having shareholders agree, have to happen before the July date? If so, how does Microsoft do that without falling foul of the terms that require both to make "best efforts"? Telling ATVI you need to renegotiate would surely making the $3B penalty immediately payable and deal over if ATVI wanted, resulting in a major risk of no obligation for ATVI to consider a renegotiated extension, and again potentially kill the CMA appeal in an instant and rolling over to a 10year block to try again - ruling out any dialogue between Microsoft and ATVI over an acquisition do-over.

Maybe the whole thing isn't so strict and there are pre-defined mechanisms for the renegotiation in the deal terms.
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This is a very good point! Nobody thought of this before.

Not sure what the actual legal ramifications are, but this is worth talking about.
 
adamsapple

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Poltz said:
Activision make more than Call of Duty.
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Heisenberg007 said:
Phil 'The Lying' Spencer? Seriously?

You know that he has already switched his stance from "as long as there is a PlayStation" to "3 years" to "5 years" and then to "10 years", right?
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1. Doesn't matter, they're both PR statements until games get announced for all platforms. Bungie's blog statement and Phil's promise of indefinite CoD multi-platform are exactly the same amount of valid.
2. Your timeline is skewed, the "as long as there is a playstation" is the latest statement as of November. Not the first thing committed.
 
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Nothing1234

Nothing1234

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adamsapple said:
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1. Doesn't matter, they're both PR statements until games get announced for all platforms. Bungie's blog statement and Phil's promise of indefinite CoD multi-platform are exactly the same amount of valid.
2. Your timeline is skewed, the "as long as there is a playstation" is the latest statement as of November. Not the first thing committed.
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To be clear, Microsoft will continue to make Call of Duty and other popular Activision Blizzard titles available on PlayStation through the term of any existing agreement with Activision. And we have committed to Sony that we will also make them available on PlayStation beyond the existing agreement and into the future so that Sony fans can continue to enjoy the games they love. We are also interested in taking similar steps to support Nintendo’s successful platform. We believe this is the right thing for the industry, for gamers and for our business.
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https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2022/02/09/open-app-store-principles-activision-blizzard/

They are not saying what you think they are.
 
adamsapple

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Poltz said:
https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2022/02/09/open-app-store-principles-activision-blizzard/

They are not saying what you think they are.
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They're saying exactly what I said they are, and if you prefer, here's a much more recent source of them saying the same thing.

gamerant.com

Xbox VP Tells PlayStation Fans Activision Blizzard Games 'Will Continue to Be There'

Xbox corporate vice president Sara Bond shares a message with PlayStation gamers, saying to expect continued Activision Blizzard support.
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Poltz said:
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Did you stop reading at the highlighted 2024 and not read the next line at all ?
 
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best

thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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L*][*N*K said:
Yes, for their flagship series on two most popular consoles of all time I say 8.4 is very bad, if by next year Zelda has sold 8.4 million we will all call it a flop.
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FWIW, it took Breath of the Wild around 1.5 years to reach over 10 million copies sold. You can break that down into an average where it's around 9.375 million for the first 15 months.

Yes that's higher than HFW's first 15 months...it's not that much higher, honestly. And very impressive for HFW considering it's part of a much younger IP than Zelda.

I do understand the points about Nintendo's games costing less to develop, market, and maintaining their price longer than Sony (and really, almost everyone else)'s games. But I doubt TotK is going to do Elden Ring numbers within a year or 15 months post-launch.

Your logic that HFW is a flop is flawed because by that same logic Dead Space Remake, RE4 Remake, RE2 Remake, Metroid, even Elden Ring, could be considered failures when considering the actual sales vs. install base of the platforms they're available on.
 
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Nothing1234

Nothing1234

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adamsapple said:
They're saying exactly what I said they are, and if you prefer, here's a much more recent source of them saying the same thing.

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Did you stop reading at the highlighted 2024 and not read the next line at all ?
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They are talking about about not pulling existing games. Why does Brad Smith only mention Call of Duty and not the rest of the ABK portfolio to Nintendo here?

 
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adamsapple

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Poltz said:
They are talking about about not pulling existing games. Why does Brad Smith only mention Call of Duty and not the rest of the ABK portfolio to Nintendo here?

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Because they specifically talked about bringing CoD to Nintendo, unlike they're talking about the multi-platform games people would expect to be on Xbox and PS ?

He also doesn't talk about Diablo IV on Nintendo, is that scandalous too ?


Poltz said:
They offered a deal for COD until 2027.
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"As long as Playstation exists". I don't think either of us expect PS to stop after 2027.
 
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Unknown Soldier

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adamsapple said:
"As long as Playstation exists". I don't think either of us expect PS to stop after 2027.
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Microsoft's plan was to buy Sony and discontinue Playstation and replace it with Xbox by 2027.

It would have worked too if the ABK acquisition was allowed to go through, then MS would have had an open invitation to buy anything else they wanted in the gaming industry.
 
Nothing1234

Nothing1234

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adamsapple said:
Because they specifically talked about bringing CoD to Nintendo, unlike they're talking about the multi-platform games people would expect to be on Xbox and PS ?

He also doesn't talk about Diablo IV on Nintendo, is that scandalous too ?





"As long as Playstation exists". I don't think either of us expect PS to stop after 2027.
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Again the only deal offered to PlayStation and Nintendo was for Call of Duty only.
 
adamsapple

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Unknown Soldier said:
Microsoft's plan was to buy Sony and discontinue Playstation and replace it with Xbox by 2027.

It would have worked too if the ABK acquisition was allowed to go through, then MS would have had an open invitation to buy anything else they wanted in the gaming industry.
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As our friend DeepEnigma said ..

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Poltz said:
Again the only deal offered to PlayStation and Nintendo was for Call of Duty only.
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I've quoted you at least 2 sources of them saying they'll keep other popular Acti/bliz franchises multi platform as well. The only reason CoD was written in documents is because that's what everyone was clamoring for with Sony making statements like their brand would literally cease to exist without CoD.

If you don't want to take their word for it then don't mind if I don't take Bungie's blog statement without any official announcements either.
 
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Dick Jones

Dick Jones

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adamsapple said:
Because they specifically talked about bringing CoD to Nintendo, unlike they're talking about the multi-platform games people would expect to be on Xbox and PS ?

He also doesn't talk about Diablo IV on Nintendo, is that scandalous too ?





"As long as Playstation exists". I don't think either of us expect PS to stop after 2027.
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Phil Spencer had it at 3 years after the current agreement with Sony privately while publicly saying as long as there is a PlayStation. Jim Ryan called Phil out for the blatant lies, and not once did Team Xbox claim that Jim Ryan was full of shit. The narrative changed to 10 year deals. Funny that.
 
DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Dick Jones said:
Phil Spencer had it at 3 years after the current agreement with Sony privately while publicly saying as long as there is a PlayStation. Jim Ryan called Phil out for the blatant lies, and not once did Team Xbox claim that Jim Ryan was full of shit. The narrative changed to 10 year deals. Funny that.
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Then when those deals were revealed by the CMA, we find out they keep 100% of the revenue.
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adamsapple

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Dick Jones said:
Phil Spencer had it at 3 years after the current agreement with Sony privately while publicly saying as long as there is a PlayStation. Jim Ryan called Phil out for the blatant lies, and not once did Team Xbox claim that Jim Ryan was full of shit. The narrative changed to 10 year deals. Funny that.
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Ok .. they revised the deal after receiving complaints about it not being good, to make it more favorable.

As of the latest what we know is that the franchise would have stayed indefinitely on PS consoles if the deal goes through.

I'm not seeing what the problem here is.
 
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Nothing1234

Nothing1234

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adamsapple said:
As our friend DeepEnigma said ..

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I've quoted you at least 2 sources of them saying they'll keep other popular Acti/bliz franchises multi platform as well. The only reason CoD was written in documents is because that's what everyone was clamoring for with Sony making statements like their brand would literally cease to exist without CoD.

If you don't want to take their word for it then don't mind if I don't take Bungie's blog statement without any official announcements either.
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Again the deal to Nintendo and PlayStation was for COD only. We know the cloud companies have a deal for all ABK catalogue and 1st party MS games. Yes wait for the next Bungie Announcement, not a random twitter poster.
 
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Dick Jones

Dick Jones

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adamsapple said:
Ok .. they revised the deal after receiving complaints about it not being good, to make it more favorable.

As of the latest what we know is that the franchise would have stayed indefinitely on PS consoles if the deal goes through.

I'm not seeing what the problem here is.
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As for the latest we know COD will remain indefinitely on Xbox and Playstation thanks to the CMA. We're all winners.
 
Dick Jones

Dick Jones

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adamsapple said:
Maintaining the status quo while ignoring that the deal will allow more consoles and a lot more PC/Cloud services to have access to the franchise and other content.

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Alright alright alright
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If it's such a great deal, we will see ABK make all these deals now. ABK will make so much more money and they can hire the Xbox developers who will be able to run the latest COD on the Switch. ABK now with a roadmap to an extra 150m players
 
devilNprada

devilNprada

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adamsapple said:
2. Your timeline is skewed, the "as long as there is a playstation" is the latest statement as of November. Not the first thing committed.
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LOL

March 2023

"At the Remedies Hearing the CMA asked Microsoft if the 10-year duration is sufficient and whether there would be a 'cliff edge' for Sony at the end of this period. The 10- year period is [redacted]," wrote Microsoft. "Microsoft considers that a period of 10 years is sufficient for Sony, as a leading publisher and console platform, to develop alternatives to CoD.
 
Nothing1234

Nothing1234

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devilNprada said:
LOL

March 2023

"At the Remedies Hearing the CMA asked Microsoft if the 10-year duration is sufficient and whether there would be a 'cliff edge' for Sony at the end of this period. The 10- year period is [redacted]," wrote Microsoft. "Microsoft considers that a period of 10 years is sufficient for Sony, as a leading publisher and console platform, to develop alternatives to CoD.
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Aslong as PlayStation exists.
 
Dick Jones

Dick Jones

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devilNprada said:
LOL

March 2023

"At the Remedies Hearing the CMA asked Microsoft if the 10-year duration is sufficient and whether there would be a 'cliff edge' for Sony at the end of this period. The 10- year period is [redacted]," wrote Microsoft. "Microsoft considers that a period of 10 years is sufficient for Sony, as a leading publisher and console platform, to develop alternatives to CoD.
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Phil has run the show at Xbox for almost 10 years. I for one can't wait to see how he spent these last 10 years developing a CoD alternative.
 
Topher

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The thing about all these 10 year deals is that CMA flatly says in their ruling that Microsoft is only doing this shit to get regulatory approval. Previously Microsoft yanked games off of Geforce Now after they bought Bethesda, but then suddenly Nvidia is getting a 10 year deal.

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feynoob

feynoob

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Topher said:
The thing about all these 10 year deals is that CMA flatly says in their ruling that Microsoft is only doing this shit to get regulatory approval. Previously Microsoft yanked games off of Geforce Now after they bought Bethesda, but then suddenly Nvidia is getting a 10 year deal.

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There was never a plan in motion for that.

They announced the deal too fast, without actually making an effort to come up with a plan.

Any competent person would have seen this from miles ago.
 
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