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[Varteras]

 

[docchicken]

To you, sure.


Fortnite and Apex rolled in matches and bests COD in short time and both of those game print money. $6billion in 2022 for Fortnite alone. Sony can easily obtain the "infrastructure" they need. There is a reason Sony has been acquiring studios left and right. Especially Bungie. There is a reason they have quadrupled down on live service games. They want a piece of the COD and Warzone and Fortnite and Apex pie.

The analogy was and is entirely irrelevant to what was being discussed.

I can see where you're trying to go with this conversation, and I preemptively disagree. Consolidation is bad for gaming no matter who does it. Live-service games are bad as well; these viewpoints should be coupled in my opinion.

1. Apex has not bested COD. Fortnite has competed with COD revenue. Both of these are bad examples anyway unless you are specifically comparing Warzone.
2. The number of live service games Sony is creating is concerning fans, not pleasing them. If this merger goes through, gamers will likely see less of the games they want from Sony, and more GaaS.
3. Sony is focusing on GaaS in order to compete in said scenario outcomes: MS acquires ABK, Sony loses 3P GaaS revenue and multiple titles. etc.

 

[Kvally]

I agree with that. you dont spend 70 bn and not make things exclusive. Just Not COD, its a golden goose. a cash cow. an IP in a pretty unique situation clearly. but future releases of other IP, I can agree i think those will be exclusive.

You spend 70 billion to also get....CANDY CRUSH and mobile gaming. King made almost $3 billion in 2022 alone.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

They would lose up to 1.5 billion in revenue; it absolutely is slated to hurt them, and that's what one of the primary goals of this M&A was as laid out in the emails we all read in the discovery process.

Also, no one is going to build a "COD killer." If it was possible, it would have been done by now. The massive infrastructure built around COD in Activision is part of the reason it is valued so highly.

This. The "everything's fine, Sony can proceed as normal" crowd aren't seeing the forest from the trees.

Cutting Sony off that revenue, cutting Sony off from big 3P publishers to independently work out deals and opportunities with, controlling the terms to which Sony can even access the acquired content and by how much...that is all collectively how Microsoft "spends Sony out of business".

Which ends up impacting Sony/PlayStation customers. Who are, in fact, customers after all.

 

[BiohazardX95]

Instead of a content / arms race, I'd prefer they double down on "for the players." Maybe stop charging for online. Stop including games in a free collection we already got free. Stop giving a PS4 version of a 1st party game and charging for PS5 upgrade. Maybe offer discounts for remasters to people who already bought older versions once or twice. Make free demo's available for all games (within reason). Be a little more candid with future plans, and make sure not to let false narratives fester in the future (like generations).

Last time they felt threatened things worked out well in the end. Hopefully this leads to them being a little more grass roots with their customers.

That would literally kill Sony (not just PS brand) instead lol

 

[Kvally]

The analogy was and is entirely irrelevant to what was being discussed.

I can see where you're trying to go with this conversation, and I preemptively disagree. Consolidation is bad for gaming no matter who does it. Live-service games are bad as well; these viewpoints should be coupled in my opinion.

1. Apex has not bested COD. Fortnite has competed with COD revenue. Both of these are bad examples anyway unless you are specifically comparing Warzone.
2. The number of live service games Sony is creating is concerning fans, not pleasing them. If this merger goes through, gamers will likely see less of the games they want from Sony, and more GaaS.
3. Sony is focusing on GaaS in order to compete in said scenario outcomes: MS acquires ABK, Sony loses 3P GaaS revenue and multiple titles. etc.

At this point, we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[GHG]

I agree with that. you dont spend 70 bn and not make things exclusive. Just Not COD, its a golden goose. a cash cow. an IP in a pretty unique situation clearly. but future releases of other IP, I can agree i think those will be exclusive.

I don't think they care about the "cash cow" part so much.

The reason I say that is because if they were to remove COD from PlayStation then they are staring down the barrel of a huge decrease in revenue numbers. But having seen how much Sony/PlayStation make as a direct result of COD being present on their system, I don't think Microsoft will care about the aforementioned decrease in revenue, it will be a worthy sacrifice as far as they are concerned.

It's important to note that based on the emails, the damage that this deal can do to Sony is far more valuable to them than any potential increase in revenue and cash flow. They need to do damage to Sony and Sony's current business model in order to be able to execute on their strategy. Absent of that, their strategy doesn't work because it won't scale appropriately.

So in summary I'll make a bold prediction and state COD won't be on Sony systems past 2025. Other systems (even including the Switch/Switch 2), it will still be there, along with all the cloud providers necessary, but that's only because those competitors don't concern them at this stage. And there's the added bonus that they can just take the content away the moment any other competitor does start to become a concern because they control it. This is why acquiring as much as the industry as possible is so important to them.

 

[Gambit2483]

 

[Varteras]

Correct. But as people keep saying here on the forum, that COD is such a powerhouse, clearly if it was that powerful, people would flock to Xbox and PC to play it.

Possible. But not likely. Sony's diehard CoD fans might. Or a fair number might just play something else. Other FPS games are coming/available. No doubt Sony will heavily promote them. Like I said, it's a wild option, but Sony have already threatened exactly that by leaving Activision no means to make their games for PS6. Which, because of the development cycle of CoD games, would almost certainly mean no CoD at launch or for the following year or two.

 

[RickMasters]

Ms will be releasing at least 4-6 big aaa every year. They have 33 fucking studios.

if they can get their pipe line right and the quality is there, that will really be something. I also think they should keep Bobby kotick on as CEO and maybe let him take on some kind of advisory role as far as managing xbox game studios. they could learn a thing or two from him. They could really be something. they have the resources. they just need to be consistent and manege things better.

 

[graywolf323]

This. The "everything's fine, Sony can proceed as normal" crowd aren't seeing the forest from the trees.

Cutting Sony off that revenue, cutting Sony off from big 3P publishers to independently work out deals and opportunities with, controlling the terms to which Sony can even access the acquired content and by how much...that is all collectively how Microsoft "spends Sony out of business".

Which ends up impacting Sony/PlayStation customers. Who are, in fact, customers after all.

you mistakenly assume they actually care, it's pretty clear they don't and are just saying this crap to try to justify a $2 trillion dollar company buying a $70 billion company in order to 'compete' with a ~$60 billion (Nintendo is worth around that much IIRC?) and $120 billion dollar company

 

[Solidus_T]

I agree with that. you dont spend 70 bn and not make things exclusive. Just Not COD, its a golden goose. a cash cow. an IP in a pretty unique situation clearly. but future releases of other IP, I can agree i think those will be exclusive.

Yep, and that makes this deal anti-competitive and harmful to consumers. Too bad the FTC was focused on other things.
But also, MS has the money to bleed by making CoD exclusive. This will do more damage to their public image than they are anticipating, but they will do it. "Sony can develop a COD competitor" is the biggest hint at their intentions.

 

[Dick Jones]

After everything from the PI hearing, I would say that MS's sole intention is to remove future ABK releases from Playstation.

Best thing for Sony is that MS take COD off Sony in 2024. That would at least put a spanner in future acquisitions quicker. Sony and Nintendo need to look at Japanese publishers and push the Japanese Government to move certain publishers under the groups with no non-foreigner ownership. Not buy them but enough of a push that the Japanese publishers can stay third party without Western consumption. Although I own a PS5 and love SE Eastern games, I want SE to remain independent.

People pretending to like COD so they can "play older COD" then why didn't you buy those games? It's so transparent that certain posters here are celebrating taking games from another platform, nothing more.

 

[Kilau]

Fucking swell

 

[DeepEnigma]

What are the chances of GP prices going up even more before they start putting Activision titles on the service?

I'd bet the chances are pretty high

They got it out of the way prior so it didn't look like a lie.

I expect another increase in 2 years max.

 

[Kvally]

Sony have already threatened exactly that by leaving Activision no means to make their games for PS6. Which, because of the development cycle of CoD games, would almost certainly mean no CoD at launch or for the following year or two.

Well, if Sony is for the players, they wouldn't do that. That is a decision that Sony made, if they chose that route. Not MS and not the consumer.

 

[RickMasters]

You spend 70 billion to also get....CANDY CRUSH and mobile gaming. King made almost $3 billion in 2022 alone.

yeah. we spend so much time on the COD part, I almost forgot this!

 

[FoxMcChief]

They got it out of the way prior so it didn't look like a lie.

I expect another increase in 2 years max.

That's ok. Still worth it at the next price point. Especially with the Activision catalog and future titles.

 

[Fabieter]

Playstation is almost 50% of Sony revenue and they always prioritize aquisitions for other business just show how bad their strategy is. Their last relevant aaa was god of war. Their next will come 11 months later. They can't compete like that. Ms will be releasing at least 4-6 big aaa every year. They have 33 fucking studios.

But but I thought this was about bringing more competition. So in the unlikley event that not everything spencer and nadella said was true, maybe just maybe it should have been blocked for the will of consumers.

 

[Loxus]

Fact is regulators have given the go ahead.

It's up to Sony to show just how committed they are now. They were willing to buy 20th Century Fox, before Disney outbid everyone. So if they wanna play bean counter and let MS have free license to eat their lunch then that in itself also shows how much they value PlayStation.

For anyone wanting more info on Sony and 21st Century Fox.

Sony Also Interested in Acquiring 21st Century Fox Assets
Sony Pictures Entertainment is looking to purchase 20th Century Fox, after it was revealed Disney was in talks to acquire the company.

Acquisition of 21st Century Fox by Disney
Cost: US$71.3 billion

Disney to Buy 21st Century Fox Assets for $52.4 Billion in Historic Hollywood Merger

Sony was willing to aquire 21st Century Fox for $50b+, acquiring Take-Two at $30-35b for example is in the realm of possibility.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Sorry mods! I really didn't mean to stir anything at all. I love you guys lol

 

[Varteras]

Well, if Sony is for the players, they wouldn't do that. That is a decision that Sony made, if they chose that route. Not MS and not the consumer.

You're not gonna corner me with bullshit marketing speak, man. I don't trust corporations at all. This is business and business is war. You could just as easily complain about Microsoft buying companies and making long running multiplatform games with big PlayStation communities exclusive. None of this is about gamers. It's about making more money and marketshare than the other guy.

 

[Punished Miku]

Well, if Sony is for the players, they wouldn't do that. That is a decision that Sony made, if they chose that route. Not MS and not the consumer.

The dev kit issue is fully absurd. Even if Sony is so paranoid they wont give dev kits out before the system is out, it would impact 1 annual CoD game. That 1 year that a console launches, they can get the PS5 version instead and play it on BC. And get the free update the second the system is announced and dev kits made public to everyone. It's just part of the FTC's losing argument that just got shot down.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This. The "everything's fine, Sony can proceed as normal" crowd aren't seeing the forest from the trees.

Cutting Sony off that revenue, cutting Sony off from big 3P publishers to independently work out deals and opportunities with, controlling the terms to which Sony can even access the acquired content and by how much...that is all collectively how Microsoft "spends Sony out of business".

Which ends up impacting Sony/PlayStation customers. Who are, in fact, customers after all.

Sony has been making roughly $2-3 billion profit from the PS division alone for the past maybe 5 years. It's up to them if they want to pump out more games or bank the profits. Add it up ad they probably banked $10 billion profit from the PS department alone. Well, to get back in the game use some of that money.

I dont think Nintendo cares. If anything it helps since MS agreed to do a 10 year deal with them. Their kinds of games are so different, Nintendo doesnt seem to care if COD, GTA, or Madden ever come on a Nintendo system ever again. Switch is actually doing better than any older system that had better third party support.

What hurt Sony is their overreliance on third party deals for sports and shooters. Two genres they used to make games for. But over the past 10 years they consolidated and focused most of their resources on SP narratives. The third party deals they do are the same companies that make games for PC and MS. So all it took was MS to take over the deals. And it happened.

It got to a point every gamer following news could tell Sony was pulling off more and more timed deals over time. So MS probably said WTF and opened up the coffers. If Sony wasnt so aggressive scooping up deals, I dont think MS would be so aggressive back.

No different than my university prof saying never wake the sleeping giant. My old boss said the exact same thing when our company was probably third biggest in the industry. They both said the exact kind of thing.... "we can never match their spending, so dont rock the boat"

 

[SlimySnake]

Fact is regulators have given the go ahead.

It's up to Sony to show just how committed they are now. They were willing to buy 20th Century Fox, before Disney outbid everyone. So if they wanna play bean counter and let MS have free license to eat their lunch then that in itself also shows how much they value PlayStation.

The next few weeks will be interesting. If Sony is serious about staying in the console business then they must have had contingency plans that include talks with big publishers so they should now begin the process of closing those deals.

I guess now we will find out what Sony Tokyo thinks of their PS business. If they go and get another small developers like Bungie and CD Project then they are clueless. If they go and buy single player japanese developers like Capcom and Square Enix they are putting a band aid while refusing to look at the bigger picture. GTA is the only thing that can compete with CoD, but they would probably need a merger instead of it being an acquisition because i dont think they have $30 billion in cash to buy take2. And thats if MS doesnt outbid them only to raise the price. I am a 100% sure MS has already begun talks with all of these publishers especially Take2 now that they have been given carte blanche to buy whatever the fuck they want. Who is going to stop a $5 bllion Capcom purchase or a $30 billion Take2 purchase when they had no issues with $85 billion Activision, Minecraft and Zenimax purchases?

if they do nothing then they are probably looking to sell before MS slowly kills the PS business by bleeding them dry over the next few years.

 

[DeepEnigma]

but Sony have already threatened exactly that by leaving Activision no means to make their games for PS6. Which, because of the development cycle of CoD games, would almost certainly mean no CoD at launch or for the following year or two.

Well, if Sony is for the players, they wouldn't do that. That is a decision that Sony made, if they chose that route. Not MS and not the consumer.

The dev kit issue is fully absurd. Even if Sony is so paranoid they wont give dev kits out before the system is out, it would impact 1 annual CoD game. That 1 year that a console launches, they can get the PS5 version instead and play it on BC. And get the free update the second the system is announced and dev kits made public to everyone. It's just part of the FTC's losing argument that just got shot down.

They did not say that. They said they would no longer get very early dev kits or design features before anything is finalized. It would be how they give devkits to Mojang.

Both MS and Sony does this to platform owned third party games. Trade secrets are a thing.

That's ok. Still worth it at the next price point. Especially with the Activision catalog and future titles.

It's okay, you don't need to feel threatened to justify your spending habits.

 

[Heisenberg007]

The only realistic option for the time being is for Sony to do what they can to take the edge off. Heavily promote a competitor like XDefiant. Continue to work on their own offerings. The goal being to shift as many people as possible away from CoD. Their only option outside of that, and it would be fucking wild, would be to refuse CoD on PlayStation going forward. They already threatened to refuse ABK access to devkits for their future consoles. Meaning they'd already be taking a step to CoD not being on the platform. That would obviously be a heavy blow to PlayStation, but it would also screw Xbox out of revenue from CoD. Seeing as how they're sure to see greatly reduced sales on their own platform.

That's a nuclear option for Sony. They won't do it though.

For our and our entertainment sake, however, I'd hope they do it Another 1,500 megathread incoming

 

[Clear]

I read an interesting thing earlier that might be helpful in figuring out the FTC's next move.

The theory was that the FTC has been pursuing a lot of cases where they only had a slender chance of winning basically on the premise that even if they didn't win, they could get something in the summation that could be used as precedent to increase their powers in future. For instance, a recent case (Meta acquiring I forget who) that they lost was considered a success of sorts because it proved a certain legal theory valid as an argument for consideration - Even if it didn't win the day in that specific judgement.

May have no bearing on this topic whatsoever, but I thought it made an interesting rebuttal to people complaining about the FTC's lawyers being clueless.

 

[Varteras]

For anyone wanting more info on Sony and 21st Century Fox.

Sony Also Interested in Acquiring 21st Century Fox Assets
Sony Pictures Entertainment is looking to purchase 20th Century Fox, after it was revealed Disney was in talks to acquire the company.

Acquisition of 21st Century Fox by Disney
Cost: US$71.3 billion

Disney to Buy 21st Century Fox Assets for $52.4 Billion in Historic Hollywood Merger

Sony was willing to aquire 21st Century Fox for $50b+, acquiring Take-Two at $30-35b for example is in the realm of possibility.

Considering that companies smaller than Sony have been granted loans in excess of $70 billion, there is no reason to doubt that if Sony is willing to take on a substantial amount of debt to finance a massive acquisition, they can.

 

[VideoGameEnjoyer]

was Cyberpunk day one on Game Pass?
was Anthem day one on Game Pass?
was Battlefield day one on Game Pass?
was Avengers day one on Game Pass?
and the list goes on...even Nintendo dosen't space this shit.

They were not. Redfall, Halo MCC, etc. were. Yes, I should be able to think of more but having trouble right now. Infinite was awful, but technically launched okay, and it was post launch support where they screwed up. Other than Forza I really can't think of big AAA releases they've had otherwise. Definitely nothing that made waves. So they are a huge part of the problem you are referencing here. Smaller stuff like Hi-Fi Rush they have a pretty good track record.

Now...the second paragraph. Just look at the Top 10 games every year: you are going to find the usual suspects (from every other publisher) and maybe One New IP.

this is a widespread industry issue. not only Xbox.

Fair enough.

i am not saying it is. i am saying is disruptive.

Okay, we don't disagree there. But good or bad disruptive? If we are saying this is the first domino in a large series of dominos, I would think this created many more bad timeline possibilities than good ones.

of course you disagree. because 'game pass big evil' is what your confirmation bias is telling you.

That's not really fair. I've been using it for years. My 'confirmation bias' is the opinion I have formed from being a heavy user of the service. When it comes to huge, highest of quality, AAA releases, it seems like GP has been a negative for Microsoft in that area. You can disagree of course, but I think that it a pretty heavily informed and reasonable opinion to have right now.

and this is why is so hilarious to see people having meltdown over MS owning KING and the other two.

Consolidating incompetence. What's not to love?

 

[Barakov]

 

[Kvally]

You're not gonna corner me with bullshit marketing speak, man. I don't trust corporations at all. This is business and business is war. You could just as easily complain about Microsoft buying companies and making long running multiplatform games with big PlayStation communities exclusive. None of this is about gamers. It's about making more money and marketshare than the other guy.

You are god damn right! So no cornering and no dev kit threats either!

 

[Varteras]

That's a nuclear option for Sony. They won't do it though.

For our and our entertainment sake, however, I'd hope they do it Another 1,500 megathread incoming

Buying ABK was also a nuclear option no one saw coming.

 

[Kuwitzzer]

Well, if Sony is for the players, they wouldn't do that. That is a decision that Sony made, if they chose that route. Not MS and not the consumer.

Why would Sony help its rival?

 

[Iced Arcade]

Now, hopefully gamepass sub price doesn't skyrocket.

 

[Varteras]

You are god damn right! So no cornering and no dev kit threats either!

I'm not playing the game, buddy. I'm just a spectator about to get thrown out for not wearing pants and making lewd gestures!

 

[mckmas8808]

The next few weeks will be interesting. If Sony is serious about staying in the console business then they must have had contingency plans that include talks with big publishers so they should now begin the process of closing those deals.

I guess now we will find out what Sony Tokyo thinks of their PS business. If they go and get another small developers like Bungie and CD Project then they are clueless. If they go and buy single player japanese developers like Capcom and Square Enix they are putting a band aid while refusing to look at the bigger picture. GTA is the only thing that can compete with CoD, but they would probably need a merger instead of it being an acquisition because i dont think they have $30 billion in cash to buy take2. And thats if MS doesnt outbid them only to raise the price. I am a 100% sure MS has already begun talks with all of these publishers especially Take2 now that they have been given carte blanche to buy whatever the fuck they want. Who is going to stop a $5 bllion Capcom purchase or a $30 billion Take2 purchase when they had no issues with $85 billion Activision, Minecraft and Zenimax purchases?

if they do nothing then they are probably looking to sell before MS slowly kills the PS business by bleeding them dry over the next few years.

Take Two will cost AT LEAST $50 billion to purchase.

 

[FoxMcChief]

It's okay, you don't need to feel threatened to justify your spending habits.

I don't feel threatened at all. I'm very pleased with the current price and don't mind a cost increase in the years to come.

Then I look forward to the day where it's just a streaming service and no hardware is required, outside of just a controller.

 

[DrFigs]

The next few weeks will be interesting. If Sony is serious about staying in the console business then they must have had contingency plans that include talks with big publishers so they should now begin the process of closing those deals.

I guess now we will find out what Sony Tokyo thinks of their PS business. If they go and get another small developers like Bungie and CD Project then they are clueless. If they go and buy single player japanese developers like Capcom and Square Enix they are putting a band aid while refusing to look at the bigger picture. GTA is the only thing that can compete with CoD, but they would probably need a merger instead of it being an acquisition because i dont think they have $30 billion in cash to buy take2. And thats if MS doesnt outbid them only to raise the price. I am a 100% sure MS has already begun talks with all of these publishers especially Take2 now that they have been given carte blanche to buy whatever the fuck they want. Who is going to stop a $5 bllion Capcom purchase or a $30 billion Take2 purchase when they had no issues with $85 billion Activision, Minecraft and Zenimax purchases?

if they do nothing then they are probably looking to sell before MS slowly kills the PS business by bleeding them dry over the next few years.

I agree with so much of what you're saying. But Sony doing another round of small acquisitions in addition to increasing the number of employees/teams their studios have would be a sufficient response. I think there is some truth to what Jim Ryan was saying about MS having a management/talent retention problem when you basically double the amount of employees you have overnight.

 

[adamsapple]

That's ok. Still worth it at the next price point. Especially with the Activision catalog and future titles.

Yeah, the deal successfully closing and them embedding all Activision's past and future catalog would make a $1 more increase in a few years still well worth it. Even more so if they still retain the conversion, at 3 : 2

 

[Heisenberg007]

The next few weeks will be interesting. If Sony is serious about staying in the console business then they must have had contingency plans that include talks with big publishers so they should now begin the process of closing those deals.

I guess now we will find out what Sony Tokyo thinks of their PS business. If they go and get another small developers like Bungie and CD Project then they are clueless. If they go and buy single player japanese developers like Capcom and Square Enix they are putting a band aid while refusing to look at the bigger picture. GTA is the only thing that can compete with CoD, but they would probably need a merger instead of it being an acquisition because i dont think they have $30 billion in cash to buy take2. And thats if MS doesnt outbid them only to raise the price. I am a 100% sure MS has already begun talks with all of these publishers especially Take2 now that they have been given carte blanche to buy whatever the fuck they want. Who is going to stop a $5 bllion Capcom purchase or a $30 billion Take2 purchase when they had no issues with $85 billion Activision, Minecraft and Zenimax purchases?

if they do nothing then they are probably looking to sell before MS slowly kills the PS business by bleeding them dry over the next few years.

I doubt Sony would sell anytime soon. They're doing great.

Second, there is every bit of possibility that Take-Two is not even interested in selling, especially now with GTA 6, their biggest bombshell, releasing soon.

Third, it'd be unfair to think Sony take immediate panic steps. They aren't Microsoft that can throw around money. They need to be very deliberate and careful being a 25x smaller company.

Having said all that, I agree that they do have to make big moves soon. I don't think they will acquire EA, Epic, or Take-Two anytime soon. But I think they can purchase Capcom, SquareEnix, CDPR, Ubisoft, etc. -- which would still be huge from Sony's POV.

For Take-Two, if Sony wants to be aggressive, they can just pay Take-Two and get GTA 6 timed or permanent console exclusive. It'd have very similar results, without regulatory hurdles. And then they can use that money for other acquisitions.

Point is Sony's next steps could be very different for reasons other than lack of trying.

 

[Varteras]

They did not say that. They said they would no longer get very early dev kits or design features before anything is finalized. It would be how they give devkits to Mojang.

Both MS and Sony does this to platform owned third party games. Trade secrets are a thing.

I've been lied to...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The next few weeks will be interesting. If Sony is serious about staying in the console business then they must have had contingency plans that include talks with big publishers so they should now begin the process of closing those deals.

I guess now we will find out what Sony Tokyo thinks of their PS business. If they go and get another small developers like Bungie and CD Project then they are clueless. If they go and buy single player japanese developers like Capcom and Square Enix they are putting a band aid while refusing to look at the bigger picture. GTA is the only thing that can compete with CoD, but they would probably need a merger instead of it being an acquisition because i dont think they have $30 billion in cash to buy take2. And thats if MS doesnt outbid them only to raise the price. I am a 100% sure MS has already begun talks with all of these publishers especially Take2 now that they have been given carte blanche to buy whatever the fuck they want. Who is going to stop a $5 bllion Capcom purchase or a $30 billion Take2 purchase when they had no issues with $85 billion Activision, Minecraft and Zenimax purchases?

if they do nothing then they are probably looking to sell before MS slowly kills the PS business by bleeding them dry over the next few years.

I dont think this ruling affects development of PS6 one bit. There will be a PS6. Even if MS cancels all COD and Diablo games for PS6, I bet it still outsells Xbox Y.

 

[Kuwitzzer]

I don't feel threatened at all. I'm very pleased with the current price and don't mind a cost increase in the years to come.

Then I look forward to the day where it's just a streaming service and no hardware is required, outside of just a controller.

If you want mobile-quality games so much then just go play mobile games, why are you wishing for the death of this industry? Isn't it bad enough? Like you are not even trying to hide your true malignance anymore, literally wanting streaming services to be the only viable option while hardware should be dead. Unbelievable!

 

[graywolf323]

Well, if Sony is for the players, they wouldn't do that. That is a decision that Sony made, if they chose that route. Not MS and not the consumer.

lol what? so you think if Sony is "for the players" that means they should give sensitive information to parties owned by their main competitor who has not proven to be remotely trustworthy?

odd how you say you have no horse in the race but all of your claims favor one side

They did not say that. They said they would no longer get very early dev kits or design features before anything is finalized. It would be how they give devkits to Mojang.

Both MS and Sony does this to platform owned third party games. Trade secrets are a thing.


It's okay, you don't need to feel threatened to justify your spending habits.

 

[Zannegan]

I don't feel threatened at all. I'm very pleased with the current price and don't mind a cost increase in the years to come.

Then I look forward to the day where it's just a streaming service and no hardware is required, outside of just a controller.

Gourd, I hope not.

Even if that becomes the case, I guess there will always be PC gaming and Nintendo.

 

[Fabieter]

Well, if Sony is for the players, they wouldn't do that. That is a decision that Sony made, if they chose that route. Not MS and not the consumer.

You can force someone hand so he looks like the idiot if other people don't know you set person a up on terms soo bad that it will hurt everyone involved.

It's really not as easy as you make it.

 

[mckmas8808]

Call me crazy for thinking that wont happen. people called me crazy for thinking the deal would go through. and we seen how thats turned out.


Will they keep things like the next tony haws, crash bandicoot and maybe bran new IP, or rebooted old IP, for xbox? yes. I think so. for 70Bn thats how its gonna go.


Will COD go anywhere? honestly I dont think MS will remove it. its gonna bring them way more money to keep things as they are though COD will be on gamepass being the only change here. I could be wrong. But I dont see them removing COD. the other IPs , i think future iterations will be exclusive.

"They" said the same thing about Starfield 3 years ago. See how that turnt out.........?

 

[Banjo64]

The dev kit issue is fully absurd. Even if Sony is so paranoid they wont give dev kits out before the system is out, it would impact 1 annual CoD game. That 1 year that a console launches, they can get the PS5 version instead and play it on BC. And get the free update the second the system is announced and dev kits made public to everyone. It's just part of the FTC's losing argument that just got shot down.

I thought they were saying they wouldn't provide dev kits full stop, not just @ launch. Whether that's true or not is another story.

 

[FoxMcChief]

If you want mobile-quality games so much then just go play mobile games, why are you wishing for the death of this industry? Isn't it bad enough?

I play Xbox and PlayStation games on my mobile device, via each of their services. They're fantastic. I've had great experiences.

Gourd, I hope not.

Even if that becomes the case, I guess there will always be PC gaming and Nintendo.

I used a streaming PC service (Shadow PC) , which allowed me to stream Half-Life Alyx to mu Quest 2 headset. Worked beautifully.