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[Banjo64]

This is the most bullshit saga ever.
How the hell am I going to enjoy my freedom if this shit keeps going nonstop.

Fk this shit. Hope it burns to the ground.

we've missed you you loveable rogue. never forget:

(console) war is peace
freedom (from GAF) is slavery
ignorance is strength (xbois)

 

[GHG]

*looks at replies*

"something something taxpayers dollars"

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

This is the most bullshit saga ever.
How the hell am I going to enjoy my freedom if this shit keeps going nonstop.

Fk this shit. Hope it burns to the ground.

play some games

 

[IntentionalPun]

*looks at replies*

"something something taxpayers dollars"

It's a waste of limited FTC time / budget to me is a more valid complaint.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm actually surprised they've appealed. No chance the appeal is successful though.

Corley did leave the door open by saying she may have some errors in there that need a day 1 patch for rushing it out hot.

 

[Astray]

I'm actually surprised they've appealed.

They had to imo.

Corley's interpretation of their burden cannot be allowed to become a precedent as this will fuck up their future cases.

*looks at replies*

"something something taxpayers dollars"

It's genuinely weird how downright scripted these interactions get.

You would expect a transaction that supposedly has a lot of benefits from consumers to get varying accounts of said benefits. There shouldn't be any need to have a hymn sheet out like this.

 

[Dick Jones]

can someone make an argument that could make the FTC win?

Yes

 

[NickFire]

can someone make an argument that could make the FTC win?

Yesterday there were people saying the judge applied an incorrect standard of review. IF (Big IF) that was accurate, it should open the door to a stay of the judge's ruling until the Court of Appeal's either decides the case on merits or remands back to the District Court for reconsideration under the correct standard. Would not be a win on the merits if that happened, but would push things back way past the 18th.

 

[TrueGrime]

FTC appeal AND an FTC congressional hearing tomorrow on mismanagement.

FTC took one L. Looking forward for the appeal taking the second L real soon. However, icing on the cake is the big L it's going to take in front of Congress. Triple L is the jackpot.

This week has been a treat.

 

[HoofHearted]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.413969/gov.uscourts.cand.413969.307.0_1.pdf

Link to appeal ^^^

 

[thebigmanjosh]

"Wast tax payers resources"
The propaganda comes from the top it seems

Based on my calcs, $0.25 of my monthly federal taxes is going to the FTC's entire budget. I'm okay with this as long as this thread/saga keep delivering

 

[Banjo64]

serious 'how it started vs how it's going' vibes ITT since yesterday. you gotta laugh. got to admire the CMA and FTC who seem to enjoy making the green rats suffer. a waste of tax payer money? I can't think of anything better for it to go towards.

 

[GHG]

Waste them tax dollars we just print embezzle and launder all over the world anyhow!

They sure weren't concerned about their taxpayer dollars when this happened:

The Pentagon discovered a $6.2 billion accounting error that translates into more military aid for Ukraine

The military services used replacement costs rather than the book value of equipment that was pulled from Pentagon stocks and sent to Ukraine.

fortune.com

I'm sure this will cost next to nothing compared to that, not sure why they're worried.

 

[dibella360]

I want off this rollercoaster.

 

[poopmcgee]

FTC will get their first win in a appeal!

 

[Kenshin775]

Bad news I have to buy Diablo 4 now because of this shitshow.

Good news the stock will drop again tommorrow and I will make way more than $70 I spend on Diablo when MS lawyers destroy the FTC in court again.

 

[Banjo64]

Corley did leave the door open by saying she may have some errors in there that need a day 1 patch for rushing it out hot.

sure, this verdict only got a 43 metacritic when it launched 2 years ago, but look at it now!

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

Where can I find that list of people (bots) who talked about taxpayers here?

Based on my calcs, $0.25 of my monthly federal taxes is going to the FTC's entire budget. I'm okay with this as long as this thread/saga keep delivering

$0.25 for entertainment is a pretty good deal

 

[Chiggs]

I want off this rollercoaster.

The FTC should have wanted off it too, but they're intent on proving how inept they are because they saw a tweet by a lawyer which gave them hope.

 

[Dick Jones]

Based on my calcs, $0.25 of my monthly federal taxes is going to the FTC's entire budget. I'm okay with this as long as this thread/saga keep delivering

 

[adamsapple]

FTC will get their first win in a appeal!

morgan freeman goodluck.gif

 

[GHG]

It's a waste of limited FTC time / budget to me is a more valid complaint.

Honestly, what else have they got brewing that's more pressing than this (at this moment in time)?

Might as well fuck around and find out.

 

[NickFire]

Did the FTC really pick a District Court, or was it more of the inevitable Appellate Circuit?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

How long till Xbox makes every other Activision Blizzard ip exclusive?

5 minutes after acquisition is declared officially closed

 

[Ogbert]

Bad news I have to buy Diablo 4 now because of this shitshow.

Good news the stock will drop again tommorrow and I will make way more than $70 I spend on Diablo when MS lawyers destroy the FTC in court again.

Don't buy it.

It's shit. And boring.

Dropped it before finishing the campaign, and I have thousands of hours in D2 and D3.

 

[Topher]

Ah shit........getting harder to remember who I argued with that I gotta say "you were right".

Better idea....

 

[Astray]

This thread's anthem

 

[DeepEnigma]

Based on my calcs, $0.25 of my monthly federal taxes is going to the FTC's entire budget. I'm okay with this as long as this thread/saga keep delivering

Shit, way more goes to free medical, room and board to criminals and non-citizens taking those MS laid off jobs via H1-B than this appeal process.

Will Somebody Think of the Taxes!

Let tax evading (through loopholes and lobbying) big tech go unfettered, because tAxEs.

So painfully transparent.

 

[Chiggs]

Honestly, what else have they got brewing that's more pressing than this (at this moment in time)?

Might as well fuck around and find out.

Well, Khan's reputation is already in the trash; might as well take dive in the dumpster. Sunken cost fallacy, etc, etc.

F.T.C.’s Court Loss Raises Fresh Questions About Its Chair’s Strategy

Lina Khan has said a fear of defeat should not deter the agency from suing big tech companies. But after Microsoft won a ruling this week, her critics say that strategy is flawed.

www.nytimes.com

 

[GHG]

Bad news I have to buy Diablo 4 now because of this shitshow.

Well you can't want to play it that much. It's not going on sale any time soon and you could have been playing and enjoying it with everyone else since it launched.

So much faux begging it's unreal.

Well, Khan's reputation is already in the trash; might as well not take dive in the dumpster.

F.T.C.’s Court Loss Raises Fresh Questions About Its Chair’s Strategy

Lina Khan has said a fear of defeat should not deter the agency from suing big tech companies. But after Microsoft won a ruling this week, her critics say that strategy is flawed.

www.nytimes.com

Well exactly, she has nothing to lose.

 

[NickFire]

I think a lot of Bud Light got spit out when some other people read the reports of the appeal.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Yesterday there were people saying the judge applied an incorrect standard of review. IF (Big IF) that was accurate, it should open the door to a stay of the judge's ruling until the Court of Appeal's either decides the case on merits or remands back to the District Court for reconsideration under the correct standard. Would not be a win on the merits if that happened, but would push things back way past the 18th.

And I assume if the wrong standard was applied, then her stating the deal could be bad for Sony, is the required bullet in the chamber to confirm the probability of a probability has passed each threshold?

 

[IntentionalPun]

Honestly, what else have they got brewing that's more pressing than this (at this moment in time)?

Might as well fuck around and find out.

I dunno as I don't pay enough attention but they just keep making their reputation worse and worse with this shit.

Find a win, any win lol

 

[Chiggs]

Well you can't want to play it that much. It's not going on sale any time soon and you could have been playing and enjoying it with everyone else since it launched.

So much faux begging it's unreal.



Well exactly, she has nothing to lose.

Bah, you caught my grammatical mistake. My stealth edit skills are faaaaaillling!

 

[Represent.]

I stopped following this shit show a while ago. Is it gonna happen or not? Still no fucking idea?

 

[reinking]

Ah shit........getting harder to remember who I argued with that I gotta say "you were right".

Better idea....

I try not to get into those spats but have found myself in a few. Maybe it is best I do stay busy at work for the next few weeks.

 

[Banjo64]

How it started;

I don't think its a done deal because MS will close over CMA. I think its a done deal because CMA is going to get wrecked at the CAT hearing starting July 28th just like the FTC did.

I get to play Diablo 4 possibly on Monday. This is amazing. I am going to hold off on Yakuza and Persona games if MS announces Sega acquisition tommorow.

How it's going;

Bad news I have to buy Diablo 4 now because of this shitshow.

Good news the stock will drop again tommorrow and I will make way more than $70 I spend on Diablo when MS lawyers destroy the FTC in court again.

 

[NickFire]

And I assume if the wrong standard was applied, then her stating the deal could be bad for Sony, is the required bullet in the chamber to confirm the probability of a probability has passed each threshold?

No clue what you are asking.

By wrong standard I am referring to the legal standard for a judge to decide how they should rule. Some "experts" claim she misinterpreted the applicable one. If true, that would be something an appeal's court looks at seriously. In many cases where that is the appellate decision, their order is for a remand. That means for the original judge to issue a new opinion with the correct standard being applied.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I stopped following this shit show a while ago. Is it gonna happen or not? Still no fucking idea?

both

 

[bitbydeath]

It's not realistic because it's all of Microsoft that has to pull out of the UK, not just Xbox or gaming.

It'd be like the biggest business news in the history of big business.

It's click-bait speculation for the most part. Or stuff floated by MS to make regulators feel antsy.

IMO of course, but it would be such a massive money loss for MS to do that.

There's also a potential domino effect of other countries that work with UK businesses moving to the same new platform.

 

[jorgejjvr]

So FTC is appealing?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I stopped following this shit show a while ago. Is it gonna happen or not? Still no fucking idea?

Yes.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

How it started;





How it's going;

is this what they call:
"Mental Illness"?

 

[Chiggs]

I stopped following this shit show a while ago. Is it gonna happen or not? Still no fucking idea?

More likely than not at this point but still not a done deal.

I personally don't think the FTC has even a puncher's chance and the CMA is a big LOL, but hey...maybe there's another plot twist or two (like Microsoft and their new bride pulling out of the UK ).

 

[mayham2199]

They rejected that remedies on April.

Yea but now they are scared and all alone haven't you heard?

I stopped following this shit show a while ago. Is it gonna happen or not? Still no fucking idea?

Yes

 

[GHG]

How it started;





How it's going;

These jokers are doing a really poor job of convincing anyone that they actually play games and that they even want to play games.

The yakuza and persona games have already been on gamepass for eons now.

 

[ChiefDada]

can someone make an argument that could make the FTC win?

Appeal will most likely challenge the judge's application and interpretation of Section 7 of the Clayton Act and resulting improper, elevated threshold imposed on FTC by the judge.

"Reasonable probability that it might" (FTC) vs. Reasonable probability that it will" (Judge)..... substantially lessen competition.

Two very different statements that determine burden of proof threshold. Let's call it what it is, the judge got sloppy and fumbled her citings in order to appease Microsoft/Activision and their merger deadline. She basically admitted this possibility in her write-up.

The term "substantial" isn't the contention, it's the "may be". "Reasonable probability that it might" (FTC) vs. Reasonable probability that it will" (Judge)

See an whitepaper written by Georgetown Law professor which discusses the inherent conundrum surrounding Section 7 of the Clayton Act. It's 20+ pages but surprisingly decent read from layman's perspective (kudos to the author). Copied key portion below but link to full paper is available to those who wish to understand FTC likely position on potential appeal.

The Appropriate Decision Standard for Section 7 Cases

The burden of proof to determine the “reasonable probability” that a merger violates Section 7 is not clear. Using the insightful puzzlement expressed by the c

deliverypdf.ssrn.com

 

[ulantan]

Ah we all get to hang out with each other for atleast another 500 pages.

 

[DeepEnigma]

These jokers are doing a really poor job of convincing anyone that they actually play games and that they even want to play games.

The yakuza and persona games have already been on gamepass for eons now.

Whatcha talkin' abot, Willis?

 

[Kenshin775]

How it started;





How it's going;

Not good right now. I have a feeling I will pay $70 to buy the game. Then I will invest in ATVI stock to make some money and knowing my bad luck the deal will get blocked even though logic tells me the deal should be approved.