Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
  • Total voters
    886
  • Poll closed .
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feynoob said:
You need experiece for this type of job. Same reason as why being a president requires you to be a 40 year old person.
FTC job is engaging all wider issues and that is not a simple task.
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Again, you can have all the experience in the world but what does that help if you functionally cannot do your job due to issues outside of your own ability?
 
aliadiere25 said:
I mean, it's common knowledge. If they buy a lot of big companies with big franchises, they would have put up the price of Game Pass to cover the expenses.
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Thought you were joking but you're actually serious aren't you 😂
Gamepass isn't the only way MS make money from xbox. Their other revenue streams will help cover the cost as well
 
boblob said:
Thought you were joking but you're actually serious aren't you 😂
Gamepass isn't the only way MS make money from xbox. Their other revenue streams will help cover the cost as well
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Oh, we know that. Microsoft covers Xbox's failings all the time.

But it's pretty obvious that they will have to increase the price to cover expenses. But the worst thing about this is.... a lot of people are going to lose their job and Microsoft won't care.
 
KingT731 said:
Again, you can have all the experience in the world but what does that help if you functionally cannot do your job due to issues outside of your own ability?
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Because you are managing people who are experts in this field.
While the budget is an issue, hiring qualified people will be hard. This has a huge affect on winning your future cases.

Do you think someone who is 40+ years old will listen to a kid with a fresh experience? That person will go top companies.
Its why you dont hire young person for certain jobs, unless they have the skills that can impress those people.
 
WilliamB said:
People really think the CMA is going to hold this?

They didn't need to consider Microsoft's propose but they did because they got pressured by Microsoft and the UK government.
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That's not how it works.

Either way, the final clincher coming down to CMA is going to be really interesting. I can't wait to see how this unfolds.
 
aliadiere25 said:
I'm thinking that myself. And I don't think it'll be a couple of dollars, I'm thinking it'll be a lot more than that.
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Microsoft is a company and they must pay for this somehow. I have no doubt they'll honor their commitments but watch out world....

Also, Sony should have pressed for more deals, just like the FTC should have. MS was so desperate they would have pulled up their skirts for anyone.
 
Kilau said:
It's interesting to me because I was curious if we would see an anti regulation or an anti big tech view.
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America court dont like people challenging their decision. You are technically calling them unqualified person if you do that.
The response letter shows that.
 
feynoob said:
If MS walks out, the stock drops down. Activision will get 3b, but that is not enough for the massive drop.

10$-30$ drop is alot of money for people who have alot of stock.

You also have to remember that Kottick will get 400+m payout from this deal. That is alot of money for him to fk off and never touch anything.
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Kotick's payoff is a conflict of interest he could go to jail for if he doesn't make decisions in the shareholder's best interests, of which selling below market value is one such example. A $3b share buy back when daily trading in the ATVI shares is only 5Million IIRC, would give them enough to weather 6days of shoring up the stock price by buying all the stock that would be regularly traded if I'm not mistake.
 
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Chiggs said:
Microsoft is a company and they must pay for this somehow. I have no doubt they'll honor their commitments but watch out world....

Also, Sony should have pressed for more deals, just like the FTC should have. MS was so desperate they would have pulled up their skirts for anyone.
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I see we are entering the post mortem faze of this epic thread.
 
PaintTinJr said:
Kotick's payoff is a conflict of interest he could go to jail for if he doesn't make decision in the shareholder's best interests, of which selling below market value is one such example. A $3b share buy back when daily trading in the ATVI shares is only 5Million IIRC, would give them enough to weather 6days of shoring up the stock price by buying all the stock that would be regularly traded if I'm not mistake.
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Again 3b is not enough. Have you seen the current economic?
There is a light at the end of the tunnel. If Activision backs out now, they will face huge backlash from their shareholders.

Kottick said it best. The reason for this deal is to honor shareholders decision.
 
feynoob said:
Because you are managing people who are experts in this field.
While the budget is an issue, hiring qualified people will be hard. This has a huge affect on winning your future cases.

Do you think someone who is 40+ years old will listen to a kid with a fresh experience? That person will go top companies.
Its why you dont hire young person for certain jobs, unless they have the skills that can impress those people.
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Do you have an issue with young people??
 
feynoob said:
Again 3b is not enough. Have you seen the current economic?
There is a light at the end of the tunnel. If Activision backs out now, they will face huge backlash from their shareholders.

Kottick said it best. The reason for this deal is to honor shareholders decision.
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An 18month old decision, that he would then have no mandate for or any financial justification for shareholders
 
Kilau said:
Why are you guys coming at this like I'm calling out the ruling? Are you that desperate for an argument?
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I think at least one of them is mad at legal precedence ( or stare decisis), but to suggest that appeals aren't baked into the US legal system. Come on, now.

Again, you're seeing what happens when people don't recognize the nuance in this quote:

"There's two types of justice that we deal with in America: There's moral justice and there's legal justice."

The case was just technically bad.
 
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KingT731 said:
Do you have an issue with young people??
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FTC is a prestige job and it needs a leadership persona with a high experience. People who know how to do the job. You want someone that knows how to manage them.
How can you motivate your employee if you keep losing like that? Lina is not equipped to handle that much pressure.

America is not like others. We have too many big companies and big techs. You have to regulate these companies and keep them at their toes.
 
James Sawyer Ford said:
Why would the CMA get "pressured" to do anything?

They serve the UK; not Microsoft
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Flintty said:
That's not how it works.

Either way, the final clincher coming down to CMA is going to be really interesting. I can't wait to see how this unfolds.
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They didn't need to accept this, they never did

Only after Brad Smith encounter with UK Chancellor and the CMA that this happened.

ckaneo said:
Meh, I dont know if that is even true. Microsoft has incentive to keep COD on Playstation just so they can buy other publishers in the future even without a deal.
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10 years is enough time to Microsoft buy whatever they want and when the contract expire Xbox's market share will be much higher that it is now to the point that take COD from Playstation will not do much impact in their finances.
 
feynoob said:
Again 3b is not enough. Have you seen the current economic?
There is a light at the end of the tunnel. If Activision backs out now, they will face huge backlash from their shareholders.

Kottick said it best. The reason for this deal is to honor shareholders decision.
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The shareholder decision only lasts until the 18th
 
Hero of Spielberg said:
Markets the market… see what happened the other day when the PI was canned? Merger doesn't go through imagine that but in reverse with rockets on
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Put a figure down, because at above $65 per share in a buyback the shareholders are being defrauded if Kotick agrees to an extension without a better price per share, And there is no way ATVI shares will be below $65 without a buybackm never mind a buyback from a $12b of cash, and fantastic business figures are coming that everyone knows is coming
 
PaintTinJr said:
Put a figure down, because at above $65 per share in a buyback the shareholders are being defrauded if Kotick agrees to an extension without a better price per share, And there is no way ATVI shares will be below $65 without a buybackm never mind a buyback from a $12b of cash, and fantastic business figures are coming that everyone knows is coming
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The market hates failed business ventures, no matter how you want to spin it
 
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