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What Xbox needs more than anything else is better management. No number of studios is going to replace that. It's like trying to treat a stab wound with a bandaid.

The studios are simply money makers that need to be optimized. At this point I would like to know what Microsoft is doing to ensure those optimizations happen. They have some engineers that help out with some technical stuff, but I bet each of the studios Xbox now owns could do with a look through to identify areas that need improvement.

Just buying the studios as-is and letting them do whatever they want is both lazy and shows a lack of respect for the artform.

Xbox needs to throw money at proven professionals who know how the machine works and who are inventive enough to improve it.
 
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This thread is so long that people here have made posts that were informative AND made contributions AND also mocked people as well. On both sides. It's been going on for a looooong time and the conversation has gone many a place here and there.
You're coming across like you're lecturing though. At least to me. Just yesterday someone tried calling out a poster here who is pro Sony. I don't recall seeing you call that person out. Not that any one needs you to. See what I'm saying?
This thread has thousands of posts; I certainly miss more than a few.

But if you read my initial posts, you'll see I'm solely speaking about the general principle of being respectful; it's not in favour of any side. All sides need to practice civility, for conversations to move progressively, and smoothly. Nowhere in my posts did I say or suggest, or insinuate that Xbox supporters needed to be civil, or Sony supporters needed to be civil. Maybe it's because I'm open about being pro-MS/Xbox, that you thought I meant people need to be civil towards Xbox; no. The civility shouldn't start and stop in any one corner.

And the example I brought up, was in fact the political influence MS has, which I honestly don't like. I'm not a fan of politicians (I see most of them as corrupt), and this is a prime example of some level of political corruption being used to influence things that it has no real part in.

The reason I may come across as preachy, is because I do not let misinformed opinions go. If I'm being misconstrued or misrepresented, I am not going to ignore it. I will drive my point home, until it's made. I don't mind being disagreed with. But misrepresented, misquoted, taken-out-of-context; no, I will always say something about that. Hence the back and forths. There a poster above who has made it abundantly clear that he won't read anything I post. He probably reads the first two lines, yet is certain he knows the contexts of my posts; he clearly doesn't.
 
Never touching crypto

The only time i tried to invest was with the GME hype
I bought at 290 didn't sell at 350

then sold everything at 50 :messenger_sunglasses:

Literally me
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Man that's a HUGE loss you took. Geez.

We are on a perpetual rent/sub cycle. Stop paying "property taxes" on a paid off home and see how long you "own your property."

But this I can understand. You should still pay taxes for your property to be "protected" and your local area maintained.
 
But he can't know that. Unless I'm mistake 240 trading days per year for 18month merger, $69B valuation @ $95 per share would mean every share could trade hands every ~150days assuming their average of 5M trades per day.

The shareholders he got the mandate from, are a different mix, maybe with a different view - maybe all new shareholders - over these 18months. doesn't seem like a solid position to make a decision from without balloting them again IMO.
I take pause when I see the declaration that Bobby couldn't know what the shareholders want. Why should we believe that Bobby isn't privy to the pulse of the shareholders?
 
Democracy and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
This is a whole other topic. People will ask, "well, what's the alternative?" I won't pretend to know, because I don't know. And while democracy certainly has its flaws, it also has a lot of positives, as well.

Where politics is concerned; gaming/politics have no place together, that much I'm certain of. The CMA couldn't even give a good reason to the judge on why it changed its mind. That judge is no fool; he knows politics is at play here.
 
As a veteran gamer, I'm not particularly arsed about this, but what is the general consensus? Shit hot or shit sandwich?
I am too wondering whats going on. The deal didn't close. Today is the last day. Activision is a snake, if there is no written paper extention to the contract they might walk away.
 
What Xbox needs more than anything else is better management. No number of studios is going to replace that. It's like trying to treat a stab wound with a bandaid.

The studios are simply money makers that need to be optimized. At this point I would like to know what Microsoft is doing to ensure those optimizations happen. They have some engineers that help out with some technical stuff, but I bet each of the studios Xbox now owns could do with a look through to identify areas that need improvement.

Just buying the studios as-is and letting them do whatever they want is both lazy and shows a lack of respect for the artform.

Xbox needs to throw money at proven professionals who know how the machine works and who are inventive enough to improve it.
They need to find a happy medium of being involved, but not overbearing.
When they had Bungie, they were accused of being too much in Bungie's business that they didn't feel they had the autonomy they wanted.
With 343, they should've been more hands on.
It's a hard thing to balance I imagine. Moreso now with even more studios.
 
They need to find a happy medium of being involved, but not overbearing.
When they had Bungie, they were accused of being too much in Bungie's business that they didn't feel they had the autonomy they wanted.
With 343, they should've been more hands on.
It's a hard thing to balance I imagine. Moreso now with even more studios.
When you have people like greenburger and mayor nelson the brand will stay as it is now
 
but why though?
By limiting games to cloud servers and yanking then away from other companies in 10 years, they're making sure there's more competitive playing fields. This is usually how it works, right? Like when Walmart runs all the mom and pop shops out of town, it makes the town shop at more than just Walmart and creates growth.

Me graduated from CMU, Cave Man University.

Edit: lol post #1 reason exactly predicted below me.

I wonder if buying FF16 for exclusive is good to th Xbox fans because it creates competition.
 
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but why though?
Let me rephrase; I'm pro-Xbox.

Obviously as a person who primarily plays on Xbox, there are benefits I'll have. But, looking at gaming in general, I see more posivites than negatives. And this is me trying to be objective. I can't be totally objective, no matter how hard I try, but I'll try...

1 - It increases competitiveness. Sony being one of the market leaders will be forced to bolster its own offerings and services, and perhaps improve where it is weakest, i.e. its subscription services. That's great for PS customers, which I also happen to be. If these improvements show great yields for Sony, it might push Nintendo (and others?) to strengthen their weak areas as well (subscriptions). Now, I'm not for or against the subscription models, unless the option of purchasing a game outright, is completely removed.

2 - The purchase, while it does wonders for MS, doesn't automatically push them in any lead, whatsoever. They'd still have a lot of work to do, and while it might set precedent for them to look at more acquisitions; it won't do so without concession. This was a big play for them, but because they were weak in the console space, is the only reason why this is going through. If they were market leader, this deal might be have been blocked, with valid reason. So, the status quo isn't broken, but it puts MS in a better position to compete, which is good for consumers, or at the very least, MS customers.

3 - It brings Activision titles to more platforms.

There are some potential cons and some outright cons. The potential cons aren't guarantee to manifest, but they're valid. MS using their AKB catalogue to help monopolise their place. It'll be hard though, as they can't simply wipe out the competition with this purchase.

Secondly, while PS only has COD for 10 years, and there's a real chance that MS might make it exclusive after 10 years; that's still a 10-years-away supposition. The gaming industry, while it has its formulaic matters of predictability, it's an ever-changing landscape. There's no telling if COD will retain its strength in 10-years. There's no telling if PS (or some other company) will launch a new FPS that completely turns things upside down. Or, at the very least, bring some more competition to the FPS space.

The last potential problem is MS going on an aqusition spree. I think they have to be extremely strategic about this. Their strength in cloud can work against them, just as PS strength in console worked against PS in this deal. However, they may only have 1 other big acquisition (with concessions) before any other big merger is outrightly blocked. Their numbers have to show that any big merger won't put them in a position to monopolise their power, and clearly this one doesn't. But, moving forward, anything else will likely be shut down instantly, unless it's perhaps a Japanese publisher.

I'm agnostic to a company's means of success (the old "home grown Vs buy-outs"); either method is fine. Use the tools you have at your disposal.
 
By limiting games to cloud servers and yanking then away from other companies in 10 years, they're making sure there's more competitive playing fields. This is usually how it works, right? Like when Walmart runs all the mom and pop shops out of town, it makes the town shop at more than just Walmart and creates growth.

Me graduated from CMU, Cave Man University.
Perfect analogy.
 
Let me rephrase; I'm pro-Xbox.

Obviously as a person who primarily plays on Xbox, there are benefits I'll have. But, looking at gaming in general, I see more posivites than negatives. And this is me trying to be objective. I can't be totally objective, no matter how hard I try, but I'll try...

1 - It increases competitiveness. Sony being one of the market leaders will be forced to bolster its own offerings and services, and perhaps improve where it is weakest, i.e. its subscription services. That's great for PS customers, which I also happen to be. If these improvements show great yields for Sony, it might push Nintendo (and others?) to strengthen their weak areas as well (subscriptions). Now, I'm not for or against the subscription models, unless the option of purchasing a game outright, is completely removed.

2 - The purchase, while it does wonders for MS, doesn't automatically push them in any lead, whatsoever. They'd still have a lot of work to do, and while it might set precedent for them to look at more acquisitions; it won't do so without concession. This was a big play for them, but because they were weak in the console space, is the only reason why this is going through. If they were market leader, this deal might be have been blocked, with valid reason. So, the status quo isn't broken, but it puts MS in a better position to compete, which is good for consumers, or at the very least, MS customers.

3 - It brings Activision titles to more platforms.

There are some potential cons and some outright cons. The potential cons aren't guarantee to manifest, but they're valid. MS using their AKB catalogue to help monopolise their place. It'll be hard though, as they can't simply wipe out the competition with this purchase.

Secondly, while PS only has COD for 10 years, and there's a real chance that MS might make it exclusive after 10 years; that's still a 10-years-away supposition. The gaming industry, while it has its formulaic matters of predictability, it's an ever-changing landscape. There's no telling if COD will retain its strength in 10-years. There's no telling if PS (or some other company) will launch a new FPS that completely turns things upside down. Or, at the very least, bring some more competition to the FPS space.

The last potential problem is MS going on an aqusition spree. I think they have to be extremely strategic about this. Their strength in cloud can work against them, just as PS strength in console worked against PS in this deal. However, they may only have 1 other big acquisition (with concessions) before any other big merger is outrightly blocked. Their numbers have to show that any big merger won't put them in a position to monopolise their power, and clearly this one doesn't. But, moving forward, anything else will likely be shut down instantly, unless it's perhaps a Japanese publisher.

I'm agnostic to a company's means of success (the old "home grown Vs buy-outs"); either method is fine. Use the tools you have at your disposal.
You and thicc_girls_are_teh_best thicc_girls_are_teh_best need to have a duel.
 
Just buying the studios as-is and letting them do whatever they want is both lazy and shows a lack of respect for the artform.
I don't 100% agree with this. For example, some studios like Obsidian are killing it with the hands off approach.

Others like Arkane are not.

It's clear that some studios need better management than others, but I think a hands off approach is a good way to find out what studios need it and which don't.

I remember when Microsoft acquired Double Fine, Tim Schafer emphasized the fact that Double Fine would maintain it's creative freedom. That was a big sticking point for a lot of fans. We've seen backlash at Sony for over managing Bend Studio after Days Gone, Microsoft probably doesn't want to step in and change a studio's work environment too much if they don't have to.

Arkane clearly needs stricter management, same with 343, but studios like Obsidian? Hands off has been great for them.
 
They need to find a happy medium of being involved, but not overbearing.
When they had Bungie, they were accused of being too much in Bungie's business that they didn't feel they had the autonomy they wanted.
With 343, they should've been more hands on.
It's a hard thing to balance I imagine. Moreso now with even more studios.
Agreed. It's like they don't trust themselves as managers within the developer space. It's very odd. It's why I feel like Bobby Kotick should be the man behind the scenes. I mean look what he's done for Activision (besides the microtransaction hell it's become). In general Activision is doing very well. They have some serious social and work culture issues but overall they pump out games that feel finished and polished for the most part.
 
I don't 100% agree with this. For example, some studios like Obsidian are killing it with the hands off approach.

Others like Arkane are not.

It's clear that some studios need better management than others, but I think a hands off approach is a good way to find out what studios need it and which don't.

I remember when Microsoft acquired Double Fine, Tim Schafer emphasized the fact that Double Fine would maintain it's creative freedom. That was a big sticking point for a lot of fans. We've seen backlash at Sony for over managing Bend Studio after Days Gone, Microsoft probably doesn't want to step in and change a studio's work environment too much if they don't have to.

Arkane clearly needs stricter management, same with 343, but studios like Obsidian? Hands off has been great for them.
I mean yes of course a good manager will manage individually rather than a blanket process. I thought that was kind of just understood. But yea you're right, some studios need it more than others. I do think that everybody needs to have a baseline level of interaction with Microsoft though...not just so they can micromanage them but to give a sense that they are part of a larger team. Its the same at any job. You got different departments but overall the company has a goal and it should understood and all departments need to be working toward said goal.

I wanna say I'm sure something like this is in place, but hell I've never worked in tech myself. Maybe it's different from my corporate gig.
 
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Agreed. It's like they don't trust themselves as managers within the developer space. It's very odd. It's why I feel like Bobby Kotick should be the man behind the scenes. I mean look what he's done for Activision (besides the microtransaction hell it's become). In general Activision is doing very well. They have some serious social and work culture issues but overall they pump out games that feel finished and polished for the most part.
would be real interesting if kotick were to replace phil spencer after this. that would be another satisfying twist in this roller coaster
 
I don't 100% agree with this. For example, some studios like Obsidian are killing it with the hands off approach.

Others like Arkane are not.

It's clear that some studios need better management than others, but I think a hands off approach is a good way to find out what studios need it and which don't.

I remember when Microsoft acquired Double Fine, Tim Schafer emphasized the fact that Double Fine would maintain it's creative freedom. That was a big sticking point for a lot of fans. We've seen backlash at Sony for over managing Bend Studio after Days Gone, Microsoft probably doesn't want to step in and change a studio's work environment too much if they don't have to.

Arkane clearly needs stricter management, same with 343, but studios like Obsidian? Hands off has been great for them.
Agreed. A complete hands-off or complete totalitarian approach is bad, either way. A more nuanced, balanced (mix of the two) is what's needed at Xbox.

Hands-off only works when the team doesn't need it, like you've said. Xbox really needs to learn when it needs to step in and curate the experience.
 
would be real interesting if kotick were to replace phil spencer after this. that would be another satisfying twist in this roller coaster
I mean Kotick is a gremlin. He needs to be like the Wizard of Oz. The man behind the curtain pulling the strings. Out of the public eye. Phil is at least somewhat likeable and has had some good ideas. They need to create a position for Kotick. Master Gremlin or whatever you wanna call it, but have him run the business side of things. Phil handles big ideas and such.
 
I wonder how certain salty 'anti merger' folks in this thread would feel had it been Sony jumping through all these hurdles to buy ABK?

Just a thought.
 
People better hope MS don't get involved with COD or they will probably destroy it like they do with everything else
Well, I think that's their downfall; they get involved by not getting involved. And this works to their disadvantage when they absolutely need to get involved. Halo became what it is, because they were hands-off for too long, and they let that woman run it into the ground.

If they take the same approach with COD, ironically, COD might be better for it, as they're already doing pretty well without Xbox's oversight.
 
People better hope MS don't get involved with COD or they will probably destroy it like they do with everything else
I don't think Microsoft has the chops to even begin to approach COD. Give em the overall goal and what their part is in the machine and leave em to it. I wouldn't mind them releasing COD on a more staggered schedule though. Every two years maybe. I'd like to see what else infinity ward could do successfully. I hear they are making an RPG or something.
 
Where did I mention Sony anything? I got banned for a month, for saying it was an echo chamber. Fine. No posts from me during that period.

I returned, looked at the current developments and saw certain political plays at work, between MS, the CMA and perhaps other political influencers. Shortly before I was banned, the CMA head was grilled by a certain political figure... At that time, I stated I'm not surprised to see politics coming into play here, given the size of this deal and all the parties affected. I stated then, the same thing I'm stating now; there are other (political) variables that might throw some curve balls in these proceedings.

Now, please show me where, since I've returned, I've mentioned, whined or complained about the Sony echo chamber.

Edit to add: Since I've returned to this thread, most of my posts haven't been pro-Sony or pro-MS. The only thing my posts are advocating is civility and humility. Why? Because when I expressed certain views or made certain observations, I was mocked and heckled. I didn't like that, at all. No one would. I wasn't the only one either. But when these things happen, it acts counter to progressive discussion. It drives people away, and some of those people (it turns out) had some valid points or contributions to make. It detracts from the conversation, which is the point of a forum; progressive conversation.

 
I wonder how certain salty 'anti merger' folks in this thread would feel had it been Sony jumping through all these hurdles to buy ABK?

Just a thought.
I'd be shitting on Sony and making more insults about moviegames, amongst other things.

there are certain mild differences in circumstances, such as microsoft being the 2nd largest company in the world and sony being the (checks internet) 113th.
 
I wonder how certain salty 'anti merger' folks in this thread would feel had it been Sony jumping through all these hurdles to buy ABK?

Just a thought.
My position wouldn't change and I've made that clear many times in the past, present, and will persist in the future. I don't want any of the platform holders buying up third party publishers to foreclose against consumers and their "competition."

Just a thought.
 
I wonder how certain salty 'anti merger' folks in this thread would feel had it been Sony jumping through all these hurdles to buy ABK?

Well, not all are opposed to the merger for the same reasons, but I think most would be twice as confused if Sony even proposed such a merger. At least with Microsoft, everyone knows why they are doing it. Sony's current business/financial relationship with Activision is fruitful and cost-efficient.
 
I don't 100% agree with this. For example, some studios like Obsidian are killing it with the hands off approach.

Others like Arkane are not.

It's clear that some studios need better management than others, but I think a hands off approach is a good way to find out what studios need it and which don't.

I remember when Microsoft acquired Double Fine, Tim Schafer emphasized the fact that Double Fine would maintain it's creative freedom. That was a big sticking point for a lot of fans. We've seen backlash at Sony for over managing Bend Studio after Days Gone, Microsoft probably doesn't want to step in and change a studio's work environment too much if they don't have to.

Arkane clearly needs stricter management, same with 343, but studios like Obsidian? Hands off has been great for them.
A hands on approach doesn't have to mean micromanagement. Reasonable KPI and supervision of development milestones and such is not unreasonable. For all we know they may be already doing that.

I would guess that management probably just doesn't want to do uncomfortable things even if they know who is performing or underperforming. It's a problem across tech. Nobody wants to be the bad guy by holding anyone accountable.
 
How is Obsidian killing anything? Grounded is only a thing in Xbox threads, Avowed looks like piss.

Always such a low standard demanded of these Xbox devs. But let's call a spade a spade, it's just a bunch of "damage control". As soon as they get a whiff of a good thing they will hype it like it's the second coming, look at the Starfield reaction, already treating it as the most important Xbox game ever.
 
How is Obsidian killing anything? Grounded is only a thing in Xbox threads, Avowed looks like piss.

Always such a low standard demanded of these Xbox devs. But let's call a spade a spade, it's just a bunch of "damage control". As soon as they get a whiff of a good thing they will hype it like it's the second coming, look at the Starfield reaction, already treating it as the most important Xbox game ever.
Outerworlds was great
 
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