Microsoft buying Nokia Devices and Services

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Riddick said:
Step one: Force the board of directors to hire an ex exployee as the CEO through some shady fucking tactics

Step two: Force Nokia to become WP exclusive and since WP is a disaster make Nokia completely depended on Microsoft moneyhats

Step three: After Nokia is completely weakened and helpless buy it since they have no other option


Microsoft ladies and gentlemen, the corporation many in this forum trust.
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Riddick said:
Step one: Force the board of directors to hire an ex exployee as the CEO through some shady fucking tactics

Step two: Force Nokia to become WP exclusive and since WP is a disaster make Nokia completely depended on Microsoft moneyhats

Step three: After Nokia is completely weakened and helpless buy it since they have no other option


Microsoft ladies and gentlemen, the corporation many in this forum trust.
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Step Four: Stop Posting
 
Dynopia said:
It will be, it's not even discussion worthy.
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Most likely. But not yet... :P

I love their bullet points:

The acquisition will benefits customers
- Will drive down Microsoft's devices and services costs from development through go-to-market and by obtaining cost savings from Nokia's existing IP licenses
- Provides consumers with more choice and innovation.

I really like how these patents creates more innovation.
 
Not surprised really. I just bought a Lumia 521 and even as a "low end" device it's quite an awesome device. Shows you that Nokia still knows how to make awesome phones.

MrGreencastle said:
Nokia have some brilliant engineers and designers. I can't see this acquisition as being bad for either of them, but this solidifies no Nokia Android device, which could piss some people off (it was never going to happen).

Nokia have done so much good work on Windows Phone, I think this will be great for the platform, as a WP8 user.
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Exactly. It was just silly for people to think Nokia was going to ever use Android after they announced they were using Windows Phone and killing off Symbian. I just hope Nokia's build quality doesn't suffer, damn things never die. It's wonderful.
 
“Microsoft has agreed to a 10 year license arrangement with Nokia to use the Nokia brand on current Mobile Phones products. Nokia will continue to own and maintain the Nokia brand. Under the terms of the transaction, Microsoft has agreed to a 10 year license arrangement with Nokia to use the Nokia brand on current and subsequently developed products based on the Series 30 and Series 40 operating systems. Upon the closing of the transaction, Nokia would be restricted from licensing the Nokia brand for use in connection with mobile device sales for 30 months and from using the Nokia brand on Nokia’s own mobile devices until December 31, 2015.”
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So this means NOKIA could do mobile phones from 2016 on again?
 
seems like a great deal for nokia... they get a pay day for their problem division and are left with the smaller/growing operations.
 
NintendoRev said:
Seems that way. I think it's the backup plan just in case this all goes south. If their non-hardware operations don't take off the way they want to, they can just start making phones again.
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They're in pretty good position though. Nokia just bought 100% ownership of Nokia Siemens Networks a few months back and it's getting more and more profitable.
 
starmud said:
seems like a great deal for nokia... they get a pay day for their problem division and are left with the smaller/growing operations.
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Yeah Nokia kind of made out like bandits on this. I don't understand how Microsoft paid so much when they had the leverage. Nokia's devices business wasn't sustainable.
 
I knew something was afoot when Nokia got the half of NSN it didn't own from Siemens. Nokia gets cash and gets to keep most of its patents and its two mist profitable divisions. Microsoft had to do this motive, the brisk of Nokia going android next year would be a death blow to windows phone, and it gets a new CEO candidate in Stephen Elop (who assumes control of the Devices and Services segment @ Microsoft)

I lkipen this to when IBM sold its hardware business to lenovo.....both sides can win.
 
GCX said:
MS didn't buy a whole company, Nokia still retains its most profitable parts (Nokia Siemens Networks, navigation services, etc) + the patent case.
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Nokia Siemens Networks...
Nokia Siemens Networks..
Rings a bell, what was it...hmmm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8112550.stm

Hi-tech helps Iranian monitoring
Iran is well known for filtering the net, but the government has moved to do the same for mobile phones.

Nokia Siemens Network has confirmed it supplied Iran with the technology needed to monitor, control, and read local telephone calls.
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Money-quote:
A spokesman described the system as "a standard architecture that the world's governments use for lawful intercept".

He added: "Western governments, including the UK, don't allow you to build networks without having this functionality."
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what about nokia networks? Does that remain owned by Nokia? And what does 'owned by Nokia' even mean if MS is buying them? They say in the release that Nokia retains ownership of its patents but licenses them to MS.
 
So much for Microsoft getting out of the consumer/hardware business. Bad day for that ValueAct guy. Welcome to the boardroom, thank you for signing the written agreement to not initiate a proxy war, and thank you for your $2B investment, now sit in the corner or sell your fucking stocks and get out.
 
Penguins&PolarBears said:
So much for Microsoft getting out of the consumer/hardware business. Bad day for that ValueAct guy. Welcome to the boardroom, thank you for signing the written agreement to not initiate a proxy war, and thank you for your $2B investment, now sit in the corner or sell your fucking stocks and get out.
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lol
 
Nokia as a consumer company is dead. Their strength in Europe will not be the same. People are very hostile to Microsoft here, I don't see this move working out.

I think anyone trying now to pretend that Elop wasn't a corporate shill for MS is going to have a tough time denying it.

Anyway, I'm on the train to work, I'm sure this won't be the end of it...

Also this surely makes Elop the favourite for the CEO position.
 
Wow awesome stuff in that justification document.

Apparently the new department will break even on 50 million (smart) devices a year, so a long way to go.

Also says the OEM model is 'too expensive' for their current market position.



I've got to eat crow on this one, seems like all the conspiracy theories about the Elop move were on the money after all. Fully expect him to be made MS CEO now (not that I think it's a good move).
 
Oh, lawdy lawd.

So Elop, a guy who used to work for microsoft, drops in to become the ceo of nokia for a bunch of years, totally ruining the company's market share (and stock price) in the process. Now, nokia's depreciated phone business is now being sold to microsoft, and elop will probably be transferred back to microsoft?

mission accomplished?

lolz

(e: hmm, seems like I'm not even close to being the first to point this out)
 
As a Lumia 920 owner all I can say is this sounds great.

I'm looking to upgrade next fall. Would love if they made a Surface Phone.

Hell, id want them to make Nokia's camera tech and put it into their Surface tablets as well. That would be amazing.
 
Its ridiculous.

Youd think the board would get pissed at the deal, Nokia could probably get more just for their patents between Google and Apple in a bidding war.
 
Zynx said:
Oh, lawdy lawd.

So Elop, a guy who used to work for microsoft, drops in to become the ceo of nokia for a bunch of years, totally ruining the company's market share (and stock price) in the process. Now, nokia's depreciated phone business is now being sold to microsoft, and elop will probably be transferred back to microsoft?

mission accomplished?

lolz

(e: hmm, seems like I'm not even close to being the first to point this out)
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Just wait and see when the other ex Microsoft guy sells Steam to Microsoft (you know it's gonna happen at some point).
 
markot said:
Its ridiculous.

Youd think the board would get pissed at the deal, Nokia could probably get more just for their patents between Google and Apple in a bidding war.
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Nah, Microsoft forced Nokia's hand using some shady fucking tactics.

They didn't buy most of the patents.
 
Warm Machine said:
I think it is better to have a phone brand that is singular as opposed to a brand running a brand.

iPhone is synonymous with Apple. But Nokia Lumia running Windows Phone by Microsoft is a branding nightmare.

Windows Phone by Microsoft is much better. They can clean the whole line up and have a better more focused position to market from.
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why is it any worse than samsung galaxy running google android?

I think it'd be a mistake to have 'windows lumia' - Nokia is a much stronger brand than MS in many major growth markets like India and China. Hopefully they'll keep that. If you want to simplify the branding I'd actually tone down the windows part, but I doubt they'd want to do that

is there any indication that this means MS won't continue third party licensing? i.e will we stop seeing HTC windows phones?
 
Riddick said:
Great rebuttals from Microsoft fans as usual. The man who run Nokia into the ground and who Microsoft forced on Nokia is now getting promoted and they still deny that he was a Microsoft trojan horse.
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Forming a narrative based on loose interpretation of events mixed with a healthy dose of fiction and absolutely no evidence to back your claims isn't necessarily what many would call a strong argument.

Funny enough, I expected this from the general populous of internet. I also fully expect that much more educated and capable people will do a full and thoughtful analysis of all of this. I look forward to what's sure to be an interesting read :)

So what's left for MS to by before it can form Voltron? Dell? LG or Sharp?
 
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