Really people said that? Seems like a chance for déjà vu.
A consoles potential is down to the devs, it could have all the ram in the world but if its not utilised it doesn't matter.
Microsoft: Next Xbox will work even when your Internet doesnt
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Really people said that? Seems like a chance for déjà vu.
A consoles potential is down to the devs, it could have all the ram in the world but if its not utilised it doesn't matter.
To be fair, blame that on Nvidia. If the RSX was as powerful as Nvidia led on, people had every reason to believe that.
Copy/Paste, memory?
Ars also "quoted" it. So... yea. How'd Ars get it then? Contradict yourself.
GoofsterStud
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I'm glad to see Microsoft changing it's tune.
If this is true, I no longer need to boycott the 720. Well unless it blocks me from using my games on multiple consoles. Living room, bedroom, summer house, winter house, etc.
Not to burst your bubble but shouldn't a Microsoft rep know how to snip and use printscreen.
If this is true, I no longer need to boycott the 720. Well unless it blocks me from using my games on multiple consoles. Living room, bedroom, summer house, winter house, etc.
Not to burst your bubble but shouldn't a Microsoft rep know how to snip and use printscreen.
What do you actually believe regarding always online Takuya? Do you think the Durango will have it or not, and why?
If I am really a MS xbox developer, and Ars knows me very well, why do I need to do such illegal stuff to make Ars believe me ?
They don't, but this is new technology, so naturally they have been posting stuff related to both consoles. The reason I'm inclined to believe this is that they have yet to start a rumor that has turned out to be false in any context as far as I know.
A good poster
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I'm still a fan of the Xbox Mini concept. It'll allow me to sell my 360 while being able to play 360 games on the new console.
Rumors said it was, and this rumor says it won't totally have it (but will), both rumors. You?
I like that promoted comment in the article.
CassidyIzABeast
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If only people took this approach from jump street. Instead people said fuck Microsoft, declared ps4 their console of choice, talked about how bad the whole Adam Orth debacle would hurt Microsoft because it got articles on major news sites. All off rumors. Absolutely ridiculous.
Mass Effect
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Too many back-and-fourth's at this point. I don't know what to believe anymore.
What about screen-capping?
What about screen-capping?
Man-is-Obsolete
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Interesting, but Ars is not impervious to misinformation. Just like Edge is not. Soooo still waiting till it is from the horse's mouth.
The original content can be re-typed,re-phrased ,of course.
But you don't need to to photocopy this mail to convince them , if Ars knows you very well and confirmed you identity.
The Omega Man
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Oh I remember that one, it didn't only match the PS3 in multiplats but it had the better versions of said multiplats most of the time (performance wise).
So you think history is repeating itself? you think this is going to be the case again?
So you basically believe that even though there are rumors that say it doesn't, and there are rumors that say it does, you think it will?
I personally don't know for sure, and I can't really say until the 21st I guess. I'm inclined to believe that it won't because
1. It doesn't make any fucking sense, and it would be really stupid.
2. Other rumors have suggested it won't. In fact, many more rumors now suggest it won't.
3. ARS TECHNICA claims to have an e-mail suggesting it won't.
What are your reasons?
maabus1999
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Or cameras?
Once an e-mail is sent on the Internet, no hopes of controlling it after you hit "send" (at least with mass e-mails).
I think the next Xbox will probably surprise again.
I know. Nvidia creating that just made everything worse.
I love that GAF puts all the blame on NVIDIA and nothing in Sony. Sony allowed those specs to be published and never backtracked on them after they were published. Maybe they didn't know and NVIDIA lied to them.
new tagline for the PS4 should be the who's line
"we won't get fooled again"
Neko Mimi Mode
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Actually several of the previous rumors have backtracked to say it won't (VGLeaks for example) and even those that did always made sure to play the "things could change" non-committal card.
Now there's an internal email from Microsoft that reads a lot like they maybe did plan for it but changed track along the way. You can't see the actual email, but it's posted by the 100% legit and reputable Ars Technica who you have no reason to doubt.
So in summary, you probably don't believe it will be always online, are aware you'll have to eat crow for it later, but can't help yourself from entering and shitting up every single thread on Durango. Am I right?
Well Cerny is behind the PS4. I know he wouldn't throw his credibility (Which he has earned throughout his career) on the line for console war bullshit.
RukusProvider
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Sony/Euro gaf kills me.
MS bad news/rumor = embrace it like the 2nd coming!
MS good news = dismiss and put forth conspiracy theories up the ass
MS bad news/rumor = embrace it like the 2nd coming!
MS good news = dismiss and put forth conspiracy theories up the ass
SniperHunter
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that only hurt Sony and devs who got the early PS3 dev kits....the early kits had two SLI GPUs, nvidia was promising the PS3 GPU would be equivalent to those, but it wasn't
nvidia over promised, Sony believed them and at the end nvidia didn't deliver...
Has there ever been a string of rumors like this "Always online" stuff though? I mean, Edge started the whole thing and then we had gaffers and other insiders confirm it, trustworthy people like Thurrott back it up, and the Adam Orth thing. Its not like some people just caught wind of some random rumor and decided to go with it.
If I had to take a stance on this now, Id say that MS definitely planned on going forward with "always online" but after all the internet outrage, they changed their stance and thats what prompted this memo. Otherwise, it doesnt make a lot of sense for MS to have to tell the people making Durango games that they dont have to be internet connected. You would think anyone making a Durango game would already know this.
Dion Blaster
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I think I directed this at the wrong person or misunderstood the conversation. Ignore me
It also turned the Digital Foundry comment section during faceoffs into the cesspool we know today.
This gen coined "Lazy Devs".
true story. really wish I didn't rush out and buy the PS3 now. I'll never fall for that trick again. Never.
It comes from two things
The system is always online. This doesn't mean it has to be online, just the system can use an Internet connection when it is in its low power state
The system REQUIRES an Internet connection. It, however, doesn't require a constant Internet connection.
You get illiterate people reading these things and boom! Stupid rumors ahoy!
Lol, you can't "backtrack" on an announcement like that, especially when you've just revealed it to the world. You just try and offer the best support you can to get the games looking better.
I agree with you, but I also would have said the same thing about Ken Kutaragi who is an amazing hardware designer
Captain Tuttle
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Well this thread is delivering. Some good meltdowns, bitter fanboy tears, embarrassing posts etc etc.
E3 is going to be incredible on GAF.
E3 is going to be incredible on GAF.
grimshawish
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Nvidia are shit and no one in the console business should give them a second glance.
They've failed for MS/Sony and Nintendo.
Lets not even argue here; Nvidia have been problems whenever involved in consoles.
They've failed for MS/Sony and Nintendo.
Lets not even argue here; Nvidia have been problems whenever involved in consoles.
Neuromancer
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I don't think there's any evidence suggesting its fake and I have found Ars to be credible in the past. I believe it.
SniperHunter
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It hurt Kojima the most, the downgrade from TGS 2005 trailer to E3 2006 trailer was massive. Kojima had to abandon his vision for the game thnx to that downgrade. No wonder why Sony didn't work with nvidia on Vita or PS4.
I think they conned Microsoft too with the Xbox GPU.
Uno Venova
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i don't think VGleaks ever put forth the rumor of always online.
grimshawish
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Sega will unite the fanboys as E3 ends. Both Sony and MS disappointed...Sega announces the SEGA VENGEANCE.
The real war returns!
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