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Microsoft Plays Up 'PS3 Delay'
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Dr_Cogent said:
Yes, Kojima said it before TGS, during TGS, and after TGS. He also showed the crowd it was realtime by manipulating the trailer with a dual shock 2. He zoomed in on certain scenes, he changed the lighting, he showed the self shadowing within the ammo clip, stuff like that. Somebody posted a video of this during TGS.
Why is this news? (Not insulting the original poster, but rather the website @ the link). Europe always gets things last (like 6 months to a year after the US)--this isn't news. It's the redheaded stepchild of the game industry. And it's not like it really matters what a product does in Europe anyways, the US/Japan industries determine success, with the Japanese industry becoming more and more irrelevant daily.
Still, +1 Microsoft for actually trying (IIRC) to launch worldwide simultaneously--at least I won't have to read quite as many Euro gamers' threads about how angry they are that such-and-such hasn't launched in their region yet, when the rest of us have already played it and moved on.
Still, +1 Microsoft for actually trying (IIRC) to launch worldwide simultaneously--at least I won't have to read quite as many Euro gamers' threads about how angry they are that such-and-such hasn't launched in their region yet, when the rest of us have already played it and moved on.
People have plenty of disposable income during the holidays that they don't during the rest of the year. There's no reason to think that they would use that income to wait for the PS3 when people have money buring a hole in their pocket that they want to spend now. This is especially true as PS3 will be a Holiday 06 hot item and has little to no effect on Holiday 05. The money will be spent anyways it's better that it's not spent on 360 regardless of what else it's spent on. Getting people to wait hurts the 360 not the PS2's sales or the PSP's and you don't bring anything new to the argument to prove otherwise, just a lack of understanding.
EDIT: Marmaduke it's better not to offer your opinion at all when you have no idea what you're talking about.
EDIT: Marmaduke it's better not to offer your opinion at all when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Sapiens
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BigBoss said:
PFFFT! No way man. It was all very carefull coreographed by Kojima. It was all pre-rendered footage made to looks like it was realtime when manipulated by Kojima! NO LIE! NO BULLSHIT!
Kojima stayed up late that night making sure his fingers were in sinc with the shit on screen.
360 4 EVA~! :lol :lol :lol
Seriously, though, i dont think i'll be able to tell a 360 game from a ps3 game (and even from a modern pc game).
Graphics...they're awesome. but exclusives moreso.
Working.Razoric said:
...it means a fair amount, actually. The tech demonstrations that MS put together some time back were instrumental in convincing us that the X360 would be a smart platform to develop for. The move from alpha development environments to beta kits to final hardware has only cemented that decision. Frankly, if you think that somehow early demonstration hardware on PS3 should not be afforded the same degree of believability, that tells me a few things are at work here, either in tandem or separately:Arsynic said:
1. You have a poorly-disguised agenda.
2. You're being intellectually dishonest. (oh snap)
3. You're not that smart.
Regardless, I think it's a good thing if you don't post in this thread anymore. Unless you're capable of contributing something substantial. Surprise me.
as long as the hardware is ready why not release the system? remember the ps2 launch? n64 launch? both launched with a HORRIBLY thin launch line up. You people saying that MS is doing bad need to wake up. compare the 360 launch to either one of those launches. there really is no comparison. 360s launch is comparible if not better than the dreamcast launch.
D3VI0US said:
The 360 will SELLOUT everywhere for Christmas regardless of what Sony does. The only thing hyping the PS3 could possibly do is hurt PS2 / PSP (mainly PSP). And I said 'possibly'... it could have no effect on PS2 / PSP but what's a fact is 360 will sellout, period. Sony is better off holding their cards until after 360 has blown it's load and PS2 / PSP have had a decent Christmas.
D3VI0US said:
It's from MCV, a Euro trade rag. Another Euro publisher bleating about how a delayed Euro PS3 launch may mean a delayed US or Jap launch? Who the fuck cares what any European arm of any game company has to say? The real decisions about console launches are made either in US and/or Japan, PERIOD. Their real job is just to stfu and prepare shit that's already been made for their region, market it and sell it to their region and thus, to protect the game industry's extremely long-standing Region Control scheme.
Razoric said:
The sellout itself is insignificant but sales to PS2 owners who would have been content to wait but instead decided to pick up a 360 because it's here and now is significant. Sales to multi console owners like myself who will buy one console first and then wait for price drops on the second is also significant. These people exist and a some of them even post here believe it or not. Those translate to a loss in marketshare even if in some cases short term and strengthens the 360's position and gets it more support. Your argument about hurting the sales of PSP and PS2 is flawed and stupid as PS2/PSP are only in competition with 360 for people's money this fall while PS3 and 360 are in direct competition for the duration of next gen which starts on Nov 22 wether the titles measure up or not. Shortsighted people like you don't realize it's not a battle of sales, it's a battle of mindshare, so stop being so defensive cause PSP and PS2 will have decent Holidays either way ignoramus, that's not the point regardless of what you read and how naive you are.
D3VI0US said:
Well it seems Sony's stratagy thus far is exactly what I and others have stated (but I guess you know more than them right?). This is PSP's first Christmas in America / Europe afterall. Why compromise that with unneeded hype for PS3? Sony will have plenty of time next year to win mindshare, one Christmas is not going to make or break anything. They've already proven they can slap people across the face with hype, just take a look at Killzone and MGS4.
But keep spouting your holier than thou bullshit like it means anything.
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
Man, every damn day I tell ya........ Who cares!!
*snip* hey retard, don't post random giant xbox 360 pictures. We know what it looks like. ~Admin
Look, it's coming, and it's coming fuckin soon. Either you buy it and enjoy the experience or you don't. Simple as that. You can wait however long it takes for PS3, or you can play next gen now. Quit bitching about shit that doesn't matter. Both consoles are gonna be awesome, but one is coming right around the corner. You can embrace it, or be a fanboy and dream that PS3 is gonna be god in a box and it's the only thing to get. Go ahead, either way, the rest of us will be having next gen fun for months.
All this bickering is pointless. It doesn't change any facts at all. But whatever eases both sides fanboy minds...... Frankly, all of you are just being ignorant. I didn't know consoles were about the systems and not the games..... Used to be the other way around.....
*snip* hey retard, don't post random giant xbox 360 pictures. We know what it looks like. ~Admin
Look, it's coming, and it's coming fuckin soon. Either you buy it and enjoy the experience or you don't. Simple as that. You can wait however long it takes for PS3, or you can play next gen now. Quit bitching about shit that doesn't matter. Both consoles are gonna be awesome, but one is coming right around the corner. You can embrace it, or be a fanboy and dream that PS3 is gonna be god in a box and it's the only thing to get. Go ahead, either way, the rest of us will be having next gen fun for months.
All this bickering is pointless. It doesn't change any facts at all. But whatever eases both sides fanboy minds...... Frankly, all of you are just being ignorant. I didn't know consoles were about the systems and not the games..... Used to be the other way around.....
Tenacious-V said:Man, every damn day I tell ya........ Who cares!!
Look, it's coming, and it's coming fuckin soon. Either you buy it and enjoy the experience or you don't. Simple as that. You can wait however long it takes for PS3, or you can play next gen now. Quit bitching about shit that doesn't matter. Both consoles are gonna be awesome, but one is coming right around the corner. You can embrace it, or be a fanboy and dream that PS3 is gonna be god in a box and it's the only thing to get. Go ahead, either way, the rest of us will be having next gen fun for months.
All this bickering is pointless. It doesn't change any facts at all. But whatever eases both sides fanboy minds...... Frankly, all of you are just being ignorant. I didn't know consoles were about the systems and not the games..... Used to be the other way around.....
Who the fuck is saying PS3 will be god in a box?
Did that check from MS clear yet?
I guess I'll be concisely redundant. Hyping PS3 and PSP are not mutually exclusive they can do both and could actually make it beneficial to both by stressing connectivity features. How does hyping something that's out next Xmas take away from the sales of something thats out this Xmas when they're not in the same market or in competition for the same consumers. That's like saying that releasing Revolution info this fall will take away from DS sales, are you stupid enough to believe that too?
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BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Ok, put it like this. Sony does not wish to put in the effort to market the PS3 (at this moment in time). Sony wishes to put all their effort into selling the PSP and PS2 (at this moment in time). Also, the blackout that is occuring on PS3 info will culminate until a huge burst of info that is probably being released sometime early next year. Instead of evenly leading you into launch (information wise), the sudden burst of info will draw everyones attention (in theory). Remember, this is Sony where talking about, I would think they know what their doing.
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
Razoric said:
Whatever, assume I'm a troll... That's your guys first defense plan every time. Someone doesn't agree with you, BAM they're a troll. Read the damn thread, it's nothing but bitching about MS and blah blah Sony beta kits this, framerate, sales figures.... It's all pointless dribble of fanboys wanting ever so extensively to make their view the correct one.
None of you made any comments about games, about what's releasing for the system, why you want it... It's all this system is better, or sales strategy this, or company X said this so company Y is wrong, and shit like that. None of you are even talking about games, just amateurs thinking they know everything about business.
norinrad21
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Are we getting a Sudeki?
SolidSnakex
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Tenacious-V said:
Given the thread title, what in the world made you think it was going to be a discussion specifically about games and not the system?
Tenacious-V said:
Uh maybe we aren't talking about games because this thread is about MS predicting a PS3 delay. I don't believe I've bitched about MS too much either. Maybe you could qualify "you guys" with some actual names and quotes?
Or you could go ahead and post more pictures of 360 saying 'next-gen starts this fall'. MS loves the advertising.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
First, I have not heard this news anywhere else in the mainstream media so I am not sure Joe Sixpack even knows MS is saying this. Second, I don't think anyone can make a comparison between PS3 and XBOX 360 at this point when it comes to games; none of us have played the FINISHED versions of any of these games (except the devs who post here maybe). Having said that, I think many people just want to wait and see what Sony is going to do because they can only rationalize buying one more system AND they love their current gen system which stastistically speaking is likely a PS2. The only thing MS may gain from pointing out Sony's potential 2007 launch is the increased likelihood that a person may cave in and buy a 360 because they don't want to wait at least a year more for a "next-gen" system. And finally, the majority of consumers are going to be facing increased expenses in the coming months for heating costs, food costs, etc. and will have less disposable income and all of this may be secondary to them.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
For me, the Next-Gen starts at midnight:01 on November 22nd. Personally, I am like a kid on XMAS Eve and it is over a freakin' month away!!!Speevy said:
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
SolidSnakex said:
I just find it sad that these bitch fest threads get more views/replies than ones about actual games.... Nobody in GAF seems to game, just argue as if they know everything about their console/company of choice and act af is they dictate how the industry works. They can't be happy that a new console is coming, and that there's gonna be great gaming coming up. It always has to degrade to this petty shit and how they know "everything."
SolidSnakex
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Tenacious-V said:
Silly me thinking this was a forum discuss games and systems, even if you disagree on them.
BlueTsunami
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Tenacious-V said:
How is anyone stating that they know everything? Seems to me that opinions are being stated about Sony's reasons for the lack of media not the former....
norinrad21
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DarienA said:
To think MS pays him to spew crap on this forum is quite impressive though :lol
krypt0nian
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arrarro said:MS is very pathetic! They are rushing all the (potentially good) games they had just to be ahead of sony in sales figures! They absolutely do not care a single f**k of us customers. What you will see when all the crap will be out is buggy and unfinished games (PDZ, PGR3 ad Oblivion for sure) and a pretty console to take dust for months.
I do not say that PS3 will be better but please MS stop trying to let people think next gen starts with your shit 360! DVD reader and XBOX live is too few to speak about nextgen gaming!!!
Wow I heard you died.
Anyway, like Amir0x said, SONY is not green here and knows that to ship beyong Autumn 06 is a failure. They aren't going to screw up like this. This is just MS' version of PS Wars, and IMO they'd be stupid to not try to push FUD here. Think of it as a suble push back for SONY's "xbox 1.5"
Its all PR games. You will say "wow"
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
Dr_Cogent said:
Oh it doesn't, I'm getting my free system regardless.... Leaves tons of money left that I would have had to buy it, to get games and to put to the PS3 launch. I'm gonna own em all, and have a fuckin good time, don't give a shit what the rest do. I'll be having fun.
And to the PR comments, grow up. If you've got something worthwile to say, say it, otherwise keep your shit to yourself. Just cause I don't agree with the mass here, you get labeled. Quite pathetic.
Tenacious-V said:
Actually all I'm talking about is the lack of info, and that's mostly related to games but the hardware launch details as well. This thread isn't about games, it's one of those sales figures, PR, strategy threads what did you expect? Would it be better if it was a MGS/Killzone circle jerk?
Advertising and games like GTA will sell the PSP if the thing doesn't sell itself, it's going to be hot this fall either way just like the 360. If Sony waits until next year to give us PS3 info, they will have lost more marketshare than they would have if they gave it to us this year and it's not make or break but don't fool yourself into thinking it's insignificant either. Releasing info to the public and the reaction also influences devs. If Sony announced GTA and Final Fantasy as PS3 exclusives tomorrow and they both looked knock you on your ass good and outclassed the 360's games it could generate 360 launch killing buzz. Fanboys around the would declare the war over. A best case scenario for Sony but by being tight lipped and MS running PR like this, it's only helping 360's perception while weakening Sony's. MS is saying Sony's not here and they're not gonna be here in Spring so buy our console cause it's here now, it's obvious and PSP has nothing to do with that message at all. Until Sony shows me that they are coming and they're packin heat I'm inclined to believe MS and it makes that 360 look all the more promising.
Tenacious-V said:
You didn't get labeled because you disagreed with the masses, you got labeled... because you posted your PR was suprior to someone elses PR...
The reality is who gives a shit what some person thinks in this thread, if you don't like the topic of the thread, if you don't like the discussion/direction of the thread, stay the fuck out of it and create a thread you DO like.
Why so many people at GAF spend so much time being unhappy about a thread AND being IN said thread bitching about how unhappy they are with I have no idea.
You buy a console now, you buy a console in Nov, you buy a console next year... so the hell what... you'll still find something to bitch about.
shpankey
not an idiot
as a gamer, how exactly is this important to YOU? are you saying you can't enjoy games if the company who made the system isn't producing the hardware efficiently?Juice said:
it reminds me of all the nintendo fans who love to play the gamecube because "nintendo is profitable".
Tenacious-V said:
Personally I'm not happy that the new console in coming when at this point it's underwhelming to me in every respect. There are no games that interest me yet and none of the apparently rushed launch games look or play next gen in any way that gets me excited. Take PDZ as a perfect example, it's gameplay isn't next gen, it looks like a cookie cutter FPS that's mediocre at best and it was the only game that had any potential for me as a gamer. It's all subjective and everyone has personal biases man, that's life get used to it cause the console wars bitchfest hasn't even really started, it's gonna get a lot uglier than this when they all get more ammo.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
As far as the mass media, I hear the new IPOD and its TV features getting a lot of press. If MS wants to latch onto something, stay away from the Sony PS3 launch comments and keep showing the X360 hooking up with the new IPODs (and the PSP). This tactic has and will continue to have many inroads towards electronics consumers hearts and will make them a more-likely X360 buyer especially if they love games.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
D3VI0US said:
I think your points are certainly valid (even though I am happy with the X360 launch lineup) and MS should probably be most concerned about your comments and NOT when Sony will launch their system. Satisfy the most customers NOW, not later when Sony launches PS3.
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D3VI0US said:
Microsoft has a lifetime warrenty for people who don't try to mod their console.
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