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Microsoft Plays Up 'PS3 Delay'
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BlueTsunami
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Dr_Cogent said:
There was a scenario in Tibet where a guy bought a Xbox 80 years ago, the drive somehow failed. He called customer service, they bullshited him a little but sent him a new Xbox with a copy of DOA.
SolidSnakex
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urk said:
What gave you that impression?
krypt0nian
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urk said:
Well that whole post seems far fetched. Explain?
krypt0nian said:
From Ken Master K:
Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Shihan (Karate master), and Microsoft is still not a black belt. Just like with their operating systems, they might come out with something good around the third generation of their release.
This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after PlayStation. However, they're going not after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2.
And then there is this:
Microsoft is trailing behind us, but they are not a threat.
Agent Icebeezy
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I don't see how someone can say that gameplay is this gen or next gen. Especially when few have played next gen games. Super Monkey Ball is Marble Madness graphically updated. I mean, 99% of games are derived from other games. Super Monkey Ball is still a fun game. People need to chill with the comparisons and wait until the controller is in their own hands and judge for themselves. I've learned that while some reviewers try to hold a fair attitude when previewing these games. Yet and still, so are still biased. Some for Sony, some from Microsoft, some for Nintendo. They may be privy to more things than most of us, but they are still human.
krypt0nian
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urk said:
That my friend is just more PR. You don't actually believe what they are saying there, right?
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Dr_Cogent said:
I'm searching for a link now, but since the console is seamless and they are very concerned with piracy. There is a lifetime warrenty. It was Peter Moore that said it.
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urk said:
Ken says one thing.......
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4114682.stm
Asked about the European release of the PS3, Sony Computer entertainment Europe President David Reeves, said he did not know when this would happen.
"I would like to think we would get it in Europe around the same time as Japan," he said at the Elspa summit.
"That first mover advantage is real if you have momentum," said Mr Reeves, adding that Sony was ready to do battle with Microsoft.
He says another. Microsoft has momentum
DenogginizerOS
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Dr_Cogent said:
I concur. They will replace parts AFTER you pay for it. This does not a warranty make let alone a LIFETIME warranty.
PhoenixDark
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Why has this turned into another PS3 vs Xbox 360 poopfest? There is only one thing that matters in this battle:
MGS4
/thread over
MGS4
/thread over
Agent Icebeezy
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Dr_Cogent said:
Understandable, but since the shell is seamless, any faulty conduct would be due to the manufacturing process, unless it's been opened somehow. That was how Peter Moore answered the question. I'm having trouble finding this link. It was during an exclusive interview in the summer time. Maybe an insider here can help out.
DenogginizerOS
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PhoenixDark said:
Oh look! A baby troll.
BlueTsunami
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PhoenixDark said:
Its a thread that shows MS taking a jab at Sony (I'm not questioning whether it right or wrong). Its pretty understandable (if you remember the purpose of this thread) that it degenerated to this. Although, its people that are complaining that the thread was derailed that are derailing the thread
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Red Blaster
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I must interject, this was an archetypical battlefield of a thread.
krypt0nian
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urk said:
Allow? :lol
Dude, come on. You posted PR as legitimate fact.
LIke I said, SONY is not green here and knows that to ship beyong Autumn 06 is a failure. They aren't going to screw up like this. This is just MS' version of PS Wars, and IMO they'd be stupid to not try to push FUD here. Think of it as a suble push back for SONY's "xbox 1.5"
Them saying 360 is not a threat is akin to Nintendo saying they were not competing with the Gamecube last gen.
SolidSnakex
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urk said:
Allowing them? What do you want Sony to do? Rush their launch and basically have the hype they've built blow up in their face?
Ponn01 said:
I would imagine that if alternate drives were released for the 360, they will be external. Pretty big if there, but just as with the hd, MS can provide toys without having you pry your 360 apart. Seems like common sense from their standpoint (even if it will piss the mod community off).
Dr_Cogent said:
I did a quick search and couldn't find squat on the warranty or any info divulged by MS Press (Peter included).
I'm guessing 90 days tops. Seamless or not, you could still set the dam thing near a fireplace, improperly wire it, cram a DVD in wrong, etc. MS is not going to give a lifetime warranty simply because they took additional steps to keep modders out.
Straw man much? I don't know if it's a lack of reading comprehension or your desire to respond to the "Where's bish?" symbol lighting up the night sky in superhero-like fashion, but that's a poor assessment of my argument. I never argued that I didn't believe in the PS3 demos at E3 or elsewhere, in fact I refused to comment on them because they will either be validated or dismissed when the PS3 finally launches.bishoptl said:
I did however, take issue with the fact that we have a few Playstation myrmidons who swallow Sony's selective PR propaganda powerpoint presentation (like the alliteration?) in one breath whilst dismissing Microsoft's equally propagandish Major Nelson graphs. My point is that there was no difference. Both Sony and MS took their console's strengths and compared it to the competing console's weaknesses. The difference is that you don't see Xbots basing their opinion on the Major Nelson graphs while the Sony sychophants take Kaz Hirai's BS presentation as gospel. It's all PR bunk. Outside of this PR bunk, what do you have on the PS3? Cell whitepapers? Hell, that's only half of the equation. So you have a few controversial real-time graphics engines and you combine them with Sony's propaganda and you get this mental aberration that the PS3 is an order of magnitude more powerful than the "Xbox 1.5". That simply isn't true.
So you got your real-time graphics demonstrations vs. actual Xbox 360 games developed on hardware inferior to PS3 alpha kits (PC's with 6800's in SLI). Then we see the lone Xbox 360 game that wasn't developed on alpha kits, but hardware similar to PS3 dev kits, this title being Gears of War, and it looks as impressive if not more so than PS3 tech demos. Some of you may dismiss that and say "It's not the hardware it's Unreal Engine 3!!" I counter that with Frame City Killer. It's also using UE3.0 but compared to GeOW it looks like night and day. That's because it's a direct comparison of alpha kits vs. 6800 SLI systems. Simply porting a game to beta kits does jack shit unless you rewrite the engine from scratch. You MAY get faster framerates and added effects but it won't overhaul an engine designed on vastly inferior hardware.
When we see Halo 3, NG 2, Forza 2 and other games written on final hardware and it looks inferior to PS3 games, then you have a case. But I'm not buying Sony's BS presentation and I'm not buying the fact that PS3 is vastly superior to Xbox 360 based on comparisons to PS3 tech demos compared to X800 engines running on final Xbox 360s. When we have apples next to apples, then we can start making sweeping comments, but I think the "We know PS3 games will look better" comments were both ignorant and premature.
SolidSnakex
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Arsynic said:
Then what do you consider this comment
Arsynic said:
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It's true that it has bad animation, but the framerate in that game is really bad too. They keep saying they are hoping to double the performance by the time game comes out, though.IJoel said:
Mr_Furious
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cybamerc said:
Enough saidDSN2K said:
fortified_concept
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So.... Microsoft instead of basing 360's future success on 360's advantages, they're basing it on PS3 possible future disadvantages. Sorry to say this, but this is pathetic. And like DSN2K said delay>>>rushed launch.
Blackie{BA}
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nubbe said:
I agree
IMO, the ps2 launch was rushed and the Xbox 360 launch seems much better planned compared to that one as well as the Xbox's. I think its perfectly fair for Microsoft PR to point out that Sony isn't ready. I also think that giving Xbox360 two holiday seasons in a row in Europe would be a HUGE mistake.
jaundicejuice
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This proves only one thing, even though Ed Fries is gone, his 'exuberant' spirit of competition still lives on in the hallowed halls of Redmond.
It doesnt matter if Sony release late in Europe. They will still outsell the competition by a very large margin. This christmas Xbox 360's biggest worry will be PS2. PS2 has a huge amount of killer titles coming. The price gap is big enough for Sony to not even consider a price cut.
DenogginizerOS
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Ixarulean said:
I agree that the PS2 launch was not as well planned, but then again, it still dominated in 2000 as the must-have item for the holiday season and probably would have been supersonic if it had a killer app like MGS2 at launch. I hate to think what the demand would have been if it had a title the caliber of MGS or Final Fantasy at launch.
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