It’s not like Sony can kick COD off the platform. So yeah, they hold most of the cards.
we’re talking about Call of Duty here. they’d still sell just as much with or without Sony’s marketing deal. And both parties know it.
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It’s not like Sony can kick COD off the platform. So yeah, they hold most of the cards.
we’re talking about Call of Duty here. they’d still sell just as much with or without Sony’s marketing deal. And both parties know it.
Oddvintagechap
Member
I need to upgrade my Avatar,
Where are all the CODs and Activision games on Game Pass? We got them all on PS plus years ago while you're still waiting for 1 Acti game to show up. That says it all really. If it's not a contract then are you saying Activision don't want to support GP?
Black Ops 3, Zombies Chronicles, MW1 and 2 Remastered, BO4, WWII, Crash Trilogy etc were all free. Activision been feeding us good, no buyouts needed
‘Us’? ‘We’?
Oh. You own just one platform. I’m not constrained in that way. I own these games on Plus Collection.
The buyout puts Activision game day one on GP. That’s the difference, I believe.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I don't care much for consolidation either but it's kinda silly to hope and wish a deal falls through simply because of that stance. No matter how much you hope for it, that will not change the reality that it is happening.
That's why I don't like speculating on possible acquisitions, but when one actually gets formally announced, I try to look at it from an optimistic POV (both for the companies involved and myself as a gamer).
Right, but wouldn't Sony have renewed the contract at some point last generation, likely after GamePass came out? That's what some of the rumors have mentioned, anyway.
Leyasu
Banned
How much was the penalty if Capcom had broken this contract?Let's see the Sony x Capcom RE Village receipts regarding related stuff:
yurinka
Member
They don't mention a specific amount of money, but sounds expensive:
Regarding GDPA
I didn't read it, but here you have the PlayStation GDPA:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/946581/000162828017005833/ex10-48.htm
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Wasn't there a topic a few days back that CoD wasn't in Sony's marketing partners slide at some conference anymore ?
ZywyPL
Banned
I'd absolutely give D3 and all the CoDs a go if they'd land on GP, honestly bthis would be more exciting than oretty much all the upcoming games from 1st party studios I've never heard of.
eastcoastkody
Member
im just holding out on buying Diablo III so it can come to GamePass. come on Xbox. get it done
GhostOfTsu
Banned
You say that now but I guarantee you the hype is not only on the Day 1 (not before 2024 for COD then). People are going to lose their shit when the back catalog hits GP even if they could get them all on PS Plus as you say.
Anyway, why do you think Activision never supported GP? You don't need an acquisition to give some of these old games. Same for Bethesda, they were all on PS Plus/Now without any fanfare.
Brad Smith, the same guy that did this interview already said the contract with Sony is until 2024.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You say that now but I guarantee you the hype is not only on the Day 1 (not before 2024 for COD then). People are going to lose their shit when the back catalog hits GP even if they could get them all on PS Plus as you say.
Anyway, why do you think Activision never supported GP? You don't need an acquisition to give some of these old games. Same for Bethesda, they were all on PS Plus/Now without any fanfare.
Brad Smith, the same guy that did this interview already said the contract with Sony is until 2024.
Yeah but that's strictly talking about "will remain available".
Not any kind of co-marketing.
MasterCornholio
Member
I mean I don't expect Bungie to do any exclusive deals with Microsoft. All of them will be with Sony. But like Bungie it's possible for games to remain available on the competitors platform.
kingfey
Banned
That is money for you.
Imagine if they were this serious during OG xbox- xbox one. Glad MS decided to invest in late, or it would have been end game.
freefornow
Gold Member
Wonder what the "extending the deal on a multi year basis" will cost Sony?You say that now but I guarantee you the hype is not only on the Day 1 (not before 2024 for COD then). People are going to lose their shit when the back catalog hits GP even if they could get them all on PS Plus as you say.
Anyway, why do you think Activision never supported GP? You don't need an acquisition to give some of these old games. Same for Bethesda, they were all on PS Plus/Now without any fanfare.
Brad Smith, the same guy that did this interview already said the contract with Sony is until 2024.
What if MS asks for premium price to extend deal and Sony decides that asking price is too high and pass on offer?
Shmunter
Member
Conversely MS would be privileged to have access to the Sony user base. It’s business as usual in such matters
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
he canned wooped him ; )
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
What about the new COD?
Goalus
Member
It does something for people who look forward to playing Heretic, Hexen and Mageslayer on console.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
It basically will become a Cold War. MS will use COD as incentive to keep Sony from locking other games out of the Xbox ecosystem. I think it gets us to a place where 3rd party money hats go away which is good for everyone.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
I expect the deal to close even before the end of the year. Maybe even in autumn.
Microsoft: "Hey you can still market our game but we will release it on Game Pass, with all DLCs and so on."
Sony: "No, no. Thank you!"
Also I believe Microsoft first party games still cost 60$ right? So aside Game Pass it is gonna be even cheaper on Xbox too
Probably nothing because I think it is no more than a lip service.
Microsoft: "Hey you can still market our game but we will release it on Game Pass, with all DLCs and so on."
Sony: "No, no. Thank you!"
Also I believe Microsoft first party games still cost 60$ right? So aside Game Pass it is gonna be even cheaper on Xbox too
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TheGodfather07
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I still don't understand why Microsoft are buying Activision, only to come out and say they will carry on releasing cod on PS beyond current agreements. Than what's the point? Is it just to get the casual cod crowd on xbox to subscribe to gamepass? Why not make it exclusive and get even more subscribers than?
MasterCornholio
Member
I’m confused on how subs will be cheaper on Xbox than PlayStation due to that 60$ price tag.
Something seems a little off to me but I’m probably just not understanding your theory right.
RaZoR No1
Member
If MS goes out and tells everybody that all ABK games will be exclusive from now on, than none of the regulators would allow a purchase of this size.
They have to play it like this and try to get the customers with other Xbox exclusive features like Zombie mode or DLCs first on Xbox etc.
Topher
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Most games on PS5 are $60 as well. Publishers set their own prices.
Mr. Banana
Banned
What does marketing have to do with taking the game off the platform? I think that Microsoft wants the marketing rights for COD. Marketing deals break easily, it happens very often in any type of market.
MasterCornholio
Member
Is gamepass cheaper when compared to Sonys new subscription options?
Topher
Identifies as young
If paying annually, yes it is.
MasterCornholio
Member
Only issue with the comparison is online multiplayer which I don’t think it’s included with gamepass on consoles.
Topher
Identifies as young
It is with Game Pass Ultimate.
MasterCornholio
Member
So is that one cheaper than Sonys new options?
Just trying to figure out where the new plus options stand with pricing when compared to the gamepass ones.
Topher
Identifies as young
The most comparable options are PS+ Premium and Game Pass Ultimate which includes games and online. Monthly PS+ Premium is $18 versus GPU $15. The annual option for PS+ Premium is $120. GPU doesn't have annual option so it is $180 when compared annually.
Regular Xbox Game Pass is $10 a month. PS+ doesn't have a tier that gives games without the online gaming so after Premium and GPU, it is really hard to compare.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
What? COD is not coming to Playstation subscription service. Maybe backlog at best and even that is not a guarantee. Just like I don't think new Bethesda games were added to PS+ or PS Now aside online games (like FO76). What I meant is that imagine marketing a game while it will be able on GP Day 1 on the platform of the competitor and while you are not getting any perks from having marketing rightsl, because obviously Microsoft won't offer a contract like this.
At best they will offer a contract for COD but Sony will have to make a consessions, so - even if there are so many people that do not agree with me - still believe that aside Warzone 2, Microsoft will make mainline COD exclusive eventually.
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Topher
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If that happens Microsoft will face some major backlash for being incredibly disingenuous about the franchise's future on PlayStation.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Backlash from whom? Interent community? The same community that is arguing that COD is dying?
With Game Pass and Warzone 2 being the main cashcow there (and being available via cloud like Fortnite soner or later) I don't see any backlash happening.
And they said nothing disingenuous either. Anyway, I don't plan to engage into that debate - I firmly believe that COD is gonna become exclusive sooner or later. Granted Sony will get Warzone 2 and the next 1 or 2 games on PS, that's for sure. So until 2024-2025 nothing will change much and in 2-3 years no one would care (market share will increase, more acquisitions will happen etc).
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Topher
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Yeah, from the gaming community. You don't go on twitter and explicitly say they are going to "keep Call of Duty on PlayStation" and then later say "oh....we just meant Warzone" later. That might make Spencer truthful in a technical sense, but folks are going to see it as deceptive and there will be PR backlash. I just don't see Call of Duty being used as console war fodder.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Ok that makes more sense to me. Thanks for the info.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Nobody is gonna argue over semantics where COD mainline or Warzone 2 is the real COD game
It will probably trigger infighting within COD community itself.Imagine debating whether COD is coming or not coming to Playstation while at the same time having Warzone 2 there
We need that Patrick meme there but with COD.
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Topher
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Nobody is gonna argue over semantics where COD mainline or Warzone 2 is the real COD game
Imagine debating that COD is not coming to Playstation while at the same time having Warzone 2 there
I disagree. That would be a massively controversial news story. Thankfully, I don't think Phil Spencer is that stupid.
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ChuckeRearmed
Member
Except it would not be. But whatever.
Leyasu
Banned
I have to agree with
ChuckeRearmed
, I don;t think that COD mainline will stay multi forever. Just like I don't believe that Bungies next I.P will be on xbox either.
All this mr niceguy multiplat speak from both sides smacks of just that. At the most I can see Sony launching their games in the future on PC. They want to grow their business without helping to make their competitiors platform more attractive. The best way to do that would be to put their games on PC. This applies too both of them. Although Microsoft are already doing that.
Still, I am not going to die on this hill. So I won't be getting into any lengthy debates about it.
ChuckeRearmed
, I don;t think that COD mainline will stay multi forever. Just like I don't believe that Bungies next I.P will be on xbox either.All this mr niceguy multiplat speak from both sides smacks of just that. At the most I can see Sony launching their games in the future on PC. They want to grow their business without helping to make their competitiors platform more attractive. The best way to do that would be to put their games on PC. This applies too both of them. Although Microsoft are already doing that.
Still, I am not going to die on this hill. So I won't be getting into any lengthy debates about it.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I can see this deal not happening. Microsoft is paying such a premium for them based on early 2022 market prices. Their valuation would have come back down to earth otherwise. Most companies have lost like 30-50 percent of their value under market corrections.
At first I thought we'd see tremendous activity in the market this year with M&A but I think they wait for things to settle down now.
At first I thought we'd see tremendous activity in the market this year with M&A but I think they wait for things to settle down now.
MadPanda
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Jemm
Member
Outside gaming, Microsoft has big plans for their version of the metaverse and they are going to need a lot of developers to help them to build their [3D] worlds.
That's why I don't see it as an Xbox investment and why Microsoft is willing to invest so much. Sure they'll get the IPs and will monetize with COD and other live-service games.
This deal isn't about getting exclusives, it is for getting resources for their grander plans.
Microsoft Build will be next week. I'm sure they will tell more about their plans during the key note and other sessions.
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SportsFan581
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Jemm
they definitely seem to be full steam ahead with their vision of the metaverse. I wonder how long before, as consumers, we can look at XYZ and classify it in our minds as being part of the metaverse. Personally, I'm still not sure exactly what the metaverse is just yet, I assume a lot of other people are in the same position. Seems like it is mostly buzzwords so far. 
Jemm
they definitely seem to be full steam ahead with their vision of the metaverse. I wonder how long before, as consumers, we can look at XYZ and classify it in our minds as being part of the metaverse. Personally, I'm still not sure exactly what the metaverse is just yet, I assume a lot of other people are in the same position. Seems like it is mostly buzzwords so far. 
Vognerful
Member
I mean we are told that gamers buy more games on Sony platforms. and we were told many times that CoD brings so much revenue that Microsoft that the effect of pulling it off will be harder on Microsoft than Sony.
Maybe they will try the same tactic as Sony and release exclusive content on xbox platforms. maybe little by little they hope to pull consumers in until they decide it is worth more to just cut Sony off.
if Sony are really going to release 10+ GaaS, maybe MS would think and say that it is a matter of time before cutting of Sony is just easy.
I mean they would be pissing of Sony players. But whay would be different than what happened to SF5 for example? in fact, it helped Sony to have the PS4 & and PS5 as the fighting game machine.
Topher
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Or maybe Microsoft will do what they said and keep COD on PlayStation. If Sony decides to make Bungie's games exclusive to PS after saying they were keeping them multiplatform then Sony would be raked over the coals. And they should be.
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