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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online
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Neuromancer
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EviLore already called him, and I quote, "officially the most disreputable person in the enthusiast press."
Can we call him a clown yet?
http://www.psu.com/a018980/How-Micr...-put-Sony-in-first-place-for-next-gen-success
This kind of headline isn't far fetched at this point...
How long are they going to be silent for?
The Illiterati
Member
The reason people hate Arthur Gies is that he goes out of his way to be condescending and dismissive of every opinion and criticism that doesn't align with his own.
Quoted for truth
Man where is J Allard when you need him?
He got out while the getting out was good.
Shame, too, as it seems he was the spark in what I liked about the X-box.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
I think it's very unlikely. This is demonstrated by how, when asked, supporters cannot provide a single example of how this is "possibly" pro consumer.
Is it still technically possible? Sure. So are unicorns.
Tripp Daily
Member
The irony of your post is absolutely amazing.
tfur
Member
Can we call him a clown yet?
There is your true special sauce in action.
Wonder when Polygon will mention this story? Other than twitter MS shilling/PR by their employees.
A non-snarky response? Sure, here you go;
Years down the line when MS turns off the game servers for every 720 game. They will become absolutely USELESS.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Can we call him a clown yet?
This is easily countered. Someone just quote a post from any of the various threads and post them on twitter. I would, but I'm not on twitter and don't intend to be any time soon.
PS+ uses a digital certificate with an expiry date as DRM for free titles you download as part of the service. It doesn't require you to be online except to authenticate and subscription renewals. You don't need to be online to play those games.
You only need a connection to download the games, you can play PS+ games offline.
VeryGooster
Banned
shinobi602
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GiantBreadbug
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EDIT: Beaten
Woah, was this today?
Holy shit.
Sorry, your post is surrounded by what he will surely call shitty posts. According to Geis your post is shit by association.
The most frustrating part of this entire thing, as a Microsoft employee, is that "Creative Director" apparently doesn't actually mean anything.
This guy is 6+ levels away from Ballmer, works on "2WAY TV", and has one person reporting to him. He's a nobody, and after today, will probably be less than a nobody.
But his thoughtless tweets on his personal Twitter account and his "Creative Director" title are making people think he's actually important and influential. Thankfully he's not.
This guy is 6+ levels away from Ballmer, works on "2WAY TV", and has one person reporting to him. He's a nobody, and after today, will probably be less than a nobody.
But his thoughtless tweets on his personal Twitter account and his "Creative Director" title are making people think he's actually important and influential. Thankfully he's not.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Excellent post. Post this on his twitter page, see how he reacts.
Can we call him a clown yet?
Someone make a chart of total people in the world; Total people in the world with internet. Post the billions of potentially lost customers that have no ability to buy the console even if they wanted to. Reason enough. This is almost up there with intentionally targeting only "men" and pissing off all women in the process and hoping to sell more consoles than targeting everyone.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
I gotta say Gies is better at MS PR than Sweet Billy, even though it's not their jobs
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
He cannot even keep his own thoughts straight.
Uno Venova
Banned
Naw we can't say anything bad about him or his horrible arguments, especially not in posts to close to each other, we instantly become a hivemind.
Can we call him a clown yet?
Sunhi delivering as usual
Not at all, he is cold as ice:
Please continue Gies, your idiocy is very entertaining
dragonelite
Member
Can we call him a clown yet?
Fishing for a game designer job?
And someone gonna get a hurt real soon.
This is going mainstream. The internet has judged.
freenudemacusers
Member
Yep, this is very basic stuff that is hammered into your head over and over by management. I would suspect many, if not all, HR policies at every corporation members here work at have very clear guidelines about this stuff.
http://www.psu.com/a018980/How-Micr...-put-Sony-in-first-place-for-next-gen-success
This kind of headline isn't far fetched at this point...
How long are they going to be silent for?
It is far fetched, when Microsoft still hasn't even announced a new console. They haven't even announced they're working on a new console. And this "always online" rumour still hasn't been put in to context.
There's a guy who works two minimum wage jobs. He just saved up enough money to buy the new 720 because he loves Madden. It's the only game he buys every year.
The problem is that he just moved out of his mother's house, so bills are tight. He doesn't have broadband because
1) It's expensive
2) Where he lives, the internet service providers don't have plans he can afford.
You just kept him from playing video games with your always-on connection.
Another guy just started college. He loved Xbox when he was in high school, but the college doesn't allow you to hook your Xbox up to the internet.
You just kept him from playing video games with your always-on connection.
There's a child who got a new Xbox for Christmas. His parents can't be bothered to set up the console so he can get on Xbox Live.
You just kept him from playing video games with your always-on connection.
There's a place out in the country that doesn't have any means of reliable broadband access. A family has scraped together enough money to buy a new Xbox.
You just kept them from playing games with your always-on connection.
Thunderstorm? No video games.
Poor people? No video games.
Not allowed? No video games.
Not tech savvy? No video games.
I don't know if Microsoft realizes this, but their brand was built on college-age males who aren't rich.
You're punishing them.
Tripp Daily
Member
Do you also boycott Steam? If valve were to hit some financial problems and were forced to shut down steam how many games would you lose?
Fixed1979
Member
Can we call him a clown yet?
yet? I think the guy actually harms the harms the industry.
flyinpiranha
Member
.... So .. don't take somebody's history, non-professional behavior and past stands on arguments into account with current statements?
I must be misunderstanding you because that makes zero sense. Context should ALWAYS be considered and with this specific tweet, where only a few characters can be typed anyway, you HAVE to use context of the past discussions.
I don't care where or what he works on, his statements seem to show he has knowledge of the always-on mechanic and it's only adding more fuel to the fire that the rumors that have already been leaked are going to be true.
Journalism, integrity, twitter ... all this shit DOES NOT MATTER. The problem people have and the reason this is "blowing up" is because it's further cementing the rumors that the next console will be require an online connection always.
HR is definitely going to have a talk with this guy. Most companies, especially large publicly traded companies such as Microsoft, have a very strict Business Conduct Policy. Even where I work at, there's a strict guideline on what can be said on social networking media as it's very scrutinized even if you are just joking as any statement can be perceived differently from the public. And I'm positive it's a violation of Microsoft's Business Conduct Policy as I doubt they're that laxed over there. But basically, HR says its okay to comment online about how tired you are at work or excited about what you're working on, but it's a no-no if you mention what you're working or jokingly make some comment about what you're working on. I really do hope this guy gets an earful as there are no "buts" to what damage he already caused, I don't think he'll get fired, but there are certainly HR actionable items there.
Can we call him a clown yet?
He's a bit of a twat really isn't he?, he also seems to be towing the 'always online' line now even though he's always said that it pretty much won't happen.
Neuromancer
Member
Gies is trying to have it both ways. Out of one side of his mouth he's saying he thinks always online would be stupid for the next Xbox; out of the other side he's ridiculing people who also feel that way, telling them to deal with it or buy something else.
Now he's challenging people to write a well-thought piece on why always online is a bad idea but it can't be a post in this thread (as he is clearly taking a jab at us).
Hey here's a novel idea, Arthur: you're the 'journalist', why don't you write one?
Now he's challenging people to write a well-thought piece on why always online is a bad idea but it can't be a post in this thread (as he is clearly taking a jab at us).
Hey here's a novel idea, Arthur: you're the 'journalist', why don't you write one?
-Amon-
Member
Exactly, how these things can even be compared, i don't really know
What context? If your connection fails for 3 minutes, no more gaming. I don't care what kind of dress and perfume you put on this, you'd be a fool of a consumer to buy into that kind of ecosystem.
Wow. This guy. Just... Wow.
Can we call him a clown yet?
It wouldn't qualify to him because this thread has a shitty title that doesn't live up to his journalist-elite standards.
Chief Icaroc
Banned
I agree that a 3 minute timeout would be atrocious. Very large penalty to the consumer. I have to say that if the nextbox does this, then it will not be popular in anyone's book. Mine included. Did that get confirmed by stating always on? I must have missed that part.
That is a rumor still.
For sure but the 'There is no such thing as bad news' angle only goes so far, it can backfire.
There's a guy who works two minimum wage jobs. He just saved up enough money to buy the new 720 because he loves Madden. It's the only game he buys every year.
The problem is that he just moved out of his mother's house, so bills are tight. He doesn't have broadband because
1) It's expensive
2) Where he lives, the internet service providers don't have plans he can afford.
You just kept him from playing video games with your always-on connection.
Another guy just started college. He loved Xbox when he was in high school, but the college doesn't allow you to hook your Xbox up to the internet.
You just kept him from playing video games with your always-on connection.
There's a child who got a new Xbox for Christmas. His parents can't be bothered to set up the console so he can get on Xbox Live.
You just kept him from playing video games with your always-on connection.
There's a place out in the country that doesn't have any means of reliable broadband access. A family has scraped together enough money to buy a new Xbox.
You just kept them from playing games with your always-on connection.
Thunderstorm? No video games.
Poor people? No video games.
Not allowed? No video games.
Not tech savvy? No video games.
I don't know if Microsoft realizes this, but their brand was built on college-age males who aren't rich.
You're punishing them.
Can I link your post to him on Twitter? I mean, you gave the explanation he wanted!
Is this big news in the office today?
STEAM has already stated that in the event of going out of business, they would make it usable offline.
PC gaming doesn't just "shut down" after years like outdated consoles do.
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Deleted member 47027
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I'll just wait for everything to be on the table about both systems before I decide whether or not I'm buying either.
Gies is asking for well-reasoned, non-snarky arguments....
What.
Yea, he is starting to piss off a lot of people with his short sightedness.
Pretty much sums it for me. That said, I think MS could saw to potential clients that before shutting down the servers they'll release a patch making it playable offline.
As aforementioned, I'd be okay with always online as long as it affects non critical functions (like auto cloud saving) instead of punishing people for losing connection.
I don't think people will vote with their wallets. They are fickle.
Neuromancer
Member
Yeah but it's in a 'forum thread with a shitty title'; disqualified!