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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online
- Thread starter shinobi602
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Wait, what? I heard the DWM in Win8 was a little lighter and it could translate to a modest FPS boost in optimized games. All wrong?
edit: Full disclosure, there is very little that appeals to me about it as an "upgrade OS" and I will not be moving from 7.
If windows teaches us anything about Microsoft its that every couple generations they produce a overly crap filled subpar product that forces them to re-evaluate and bring their egos a bit down to earth.
Xbox is seemingly months away from experiencing their first taste full on taste of this.
Ouch. When you put it like that it seems almost unavoidable that they take the backseat this generation.
shinobi602
Member
Armoured Priest
Member
I'd heard that as well.
I also will not be upgrading from 7 (and I had the option to do so for a mere 10$), because in place of the performance boost some other aspects of how I use my computer are made more annoying by system and UI decisions
I bet many people who voted 'Yes' don't even know what always-on means.
According to the poll it looks like about 18.8% don't know.
I would imagine a few think it's just a stand-by mode...
I made an attempt.
I am sorry for the awful quality
Brilliant.
SloaneRisette
Member
That's very reassuring, but as people said, those who voted yes probably don't know the details as well.
fatgamecat
Member
The start menu is more efficient (takes less or the same # of steps to do things), contains more features for accessing, organizing, and managing shortcuts, and doesn't cover up the entire screen when you want to launch something.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I see what you did there!!!!!
Seriously, Win8 is fuckin fine, people just don't like change... like always on consoles!
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Umm people who read Gameinformer or participate in their polls are also in the minority. Hardcore gamers like us are the minority, no matter how much we would like to believe otherwise. How else do people think the Wii sold as much as it did? How else do some of the biggest releases for these platforms only manage something like 15 million at their peak, but usually around the 4-5 mill mark?
How else do people think Kinect rose the 360's sales so much? And the irony of this whole thing is that the PS4 is probably "always on," which is what makes this entire thing funnier. It just doesn't require an internet connection, but it's likely always on in the same way peoples cable or satellite receivers are, or the way Apple TV is, or in the way that I'm pretty certain the next xbox is as well.
Neuromancer
Member
Yeah, because change is what's really putting people off. Not the fact that server or ISP outages or areas without reliable internet would prevent people from playing games. Nope.
Valkyria
Banned
No, Win 8 it's just not fine. I'm ok to using the same kernel for all their releases, but using a touching interface on laptops or desktop computers it's a real mess. I like every other addition to Win 8, but they are trying to shove down our throws a common UI that only works great in a few devices.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
That actually is a pretty damn good writeup.
LiquidMetal14
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Alx
Member
You can also answer honestly to a poll, and still act differently in the end. I'm sure that similar polls were made in the 2000s asking "would you pay for online multiplayer ?" with a huge majority of "No", and we know how it turned out.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Yeah. Online-only might be more accurate :/
This is an excellent point. If Sony leaves it up to devs, as they said they will, then most devs will want to make this a requirement. If it's mandatory for Xbox, they'll want to build it the same way for PS4 (for the most part).
That's my guess, anyway.
I actually don't see that as happening. They've had the option for a long time with PC ports, and even with 360/PS3 games. Yet, the only major releases that actually have in recent memory (short of MMOs, which require the connection by nature) are Diablo III and Sim City. Both releases were a fiasco that only reminded and cemented in people's minds how terrible of an idea it was.
If Durango requires the connection, then that's the system itself requiring it. There is no other option. The PS4 will not require it. Which means if it ever happens (and I'm sure it will happen, eventually, to some game or another that shouldn't need it), it can be patched out when it negatively impacts sales.
One clear example of differences in restriction between consoles is what Jorma posted earlier.
And the "always on" vs "always-online" stuff has been brought up several times, and apparently does need more clarification. Because the consoles always being "on" isn't an issue. Nor even being online most of the time. The problem only comes in when it requires an active internet connection in order to function, regardless of content.
While we are the vocal minority, posting online and voting in polls, I can't imagine that everyone else doesn't care. They may not be as vocal, but I'm quite sure that many have heard the news (especially after all the news the other day), and will continue to after it is (if it is) confirmed, and I'm quite sure that it will affect many of their decisions on which console to purchase as well.
staticneuron
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Sony already leaves it up to devs. Using that logic the PS3 and/or the Vita would already be always online.
They aren't. So that breaks that theory.
rakkadakka
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Windows key + D.
CosmicQueso
Member
Installed Start8, haven't seen the Metro UI in months, get faster boot times with a classic Windows look and feel. Shoving down throats? Nah. Easy to get past the UI.
R3TRODYCE
Member
Whoa, I did not know what that did but I just learned.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Never thought it would be. I don't know why anyone out there (or in here) think this is some kind of GAF opinion. Anyone who has kept up with recent news and anyone who would just sit and think it through for a few minutes would see why always-online for a gaming console is a bad idea.
Sadly, you're probably right.
Valkyria
Banned
Sure, sure, that solves it all.
I've using enough years Windows (since 3.1) to know that third party solutions only bring in the long run problems. It was as easy as detecting during installation if your system had a touching screen or not.
if you're gonna shill, you need to tone down the hyperbole.
win8's supposed faster boot is nothing more than hibernate mode. Dat marketing + gulible people = Ka-ching!
CouldBeWorse
Member
I don't always like what those guys have to say, but I thought his post was way too rational and measured for this conversation.
Spring-Loaded
Member
I just had to comment on this.
It's more like being allergic to nuts and finding out a dish has a bunch of nuts in it. Depending on the strength of your allergy, it may be between a considerable annoyance enough to ruin your meal or a death sentence. No matter what, it's going to suck.
This dish also could be made without nuts, so of course you're going to want it without them.
I hope he's right.
He's right conceptually, there is a big difference between a system that can perpetually be online (and download stuff when the console is off, for example) and a system that uses always on in terms of being DRM, piracy protection, where the game literally won't work if the system is not on the internet.
As long as you can do the systems core features offline (which INCLUDES playing games, and it must be -completely- offline... that is if I disconnected the wifi and just played it raw dog), then the problem won't exist to most people.
I am sure everyone is fearful that it's always-on in the same way Sim City is always on, and that if the system network is down for maintenance, for example, we're shit out of luck until they're done.
Still, if that was the only problem with all the pre-system reveal rumours we'd probably be in a better place... instead since every single shred of pre-reveal rumours has been essentially negative, I'm still looking for a place to grasp onto for defense. My only hope is that Microsoft has been engineering all the negative press so that when the system is actually revealed it surprises everyone by not being the complete suckitude that every rumour suggests.
Valkyria
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CrunchyFrog
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Hey, I got the joke. *shrug*
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
That's because Windows 7's hibernate includes loaded apps / running 3rd party services, whereas Windows 8's is OS only, no apps or running 3rd party services.
seattle6418
Member
I can't believe a always connected guy didn't knew what kind of damage a social media could do.
Maybe he really thought what he was saying was good...
Maybe he really thought what he was saying was good...
I really wish people would stop saying this. There's a difference between publishers making an internet connection mandatory, and a CONSOLE MAKER doing the same thing...
Hi i'm Caleb
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The general public doesn't care about always online, and after seeing those Kinect numbers Microsoft knows where its bread is gonna get buttered the fuck up.
The rest of us will just buy a PS4 or PC.
The rest of us will just buy a PS4 or PC.
OUT FOX EM
Neo Member
The irony of all of this is, the backlash might be so great already that they could scrap the "always online" model before they even announce it. Perhaps this douche actually did Microsoft a huge favor.
That's just wishful thinking though.
That's just wishful thinking though.