SenseiAsad
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Perhaps, but they'd definitely have to work on their PR for it to avoid the flak they got for the Tomb Raider timed exclusivity.
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Perhaps, but they'd definitely have to work on their PR for it to avoid the flak they got for the Tomb Raider timed exclusivity.
One of the huge problems with TR is that it was first announced as a Multiplat, then later timed exclusive. With Boderlands 3 all they really have to say is that the game wouldnt have been able to be made without the extra money provided by MS/Sony, also apoligize to fans who have to wait. They will still get blowback but no where near as much.
MosquitoSmasher
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Oooh I was under the impression that you meant they had a third party exclusive. Yeah the seem to have the marketing on AC. It sure seems that way. But first party was, there has to be at least one surprise I guess. Last year that was State of Decay 2.
Liabe Brave
Member
Completely incorrect. They've shown 56 Sony-published PS4 games at their various conferences since 2013; 40 of them have released (71.4%), and 16 are still in development (28.6%). By comparison, Microsoft have shown 34 published Xbox One games; 25 of them have released (73.5%), 4 have been canceled (11.8%), and 5 are still in development (14.7%). The total numbers for both platforms are higher--see below--because not every such game gets shown onstage.
I was listing all games shown at conferences, not first-party published games. But according to Wikipedia, Sony has published 77 games for PS4 (including those not out yet). Microsoft has published 43 for Xbox One (also including those not out yet).
I totally see your point about the possibility of development hell for long-timeline announcements. And I've often heard people say, like you do, "I have plenty of games to play, just wait on announcements until they're ready." But I think this misses an important factor: you've already bought into the ecosystem.
The games announced well in advance of intended release are meant to maintain continued excitement in the installed base, yes. But I think they're even more important to sway people who haven't bought in yet. There are few enough of those on GAF, so it's not a common outlook around here. Yet imagine if you didn't own a console yet, but were in the market. Would you rather hear just about games coming in the next 6 months, or would you like to also know what might be releasing in the following years?
This is why I think most games announced intentionally far from release are the "event" tentpole titles.* Those are the ones which more casual gamers--people who don't have a new console years into the generation, and only buy a couple of games a year--will find notable. I believe this "staking out general territory well in advance" is a factor in Sony not just having an installed base advantage, but still maintaining a 2:1 new-user buy-in rate over Microsoft.
* As my analysis found, most of the very longest dev times actually belong to smaller-scale games ("indies"). But I suspect these are likely unintentional and due to intrinsic and extrinsic challenges, rather than a specific marketing scheme.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Sorry about that. I could have been more clear.
But yeah, I think MS will have something like that. I think only announcing Forza Horizon 3 and Ori 2 would be decent for their core but they got to have something new and exciting beyond that. At least one thing like that.
Sangetsu-II
Member
I think it's probably Far Cry 5, he knows about that game.
Nah, he would have said it if it was that. The game is announced and expected at E3, its the same situtation as AC Origin and he listed that one.
And also, IDK if it will be the case with this one, but Far Cry marketing has been with PS hardware since at least 3.
My chips are on something Bethesda
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Fun fact: E-Home entertainment which publishes Chinese indie games on Xbox is a joint venture where Microsoft owns 49%
They have published Candleman, Monkey King Saga, and Mr Pumpkins Adventure in the west
They have published Candleman, Monkey King Saga, and Mr Pumpkins Adventure in the west
Steelyuhas
Member
Phil disagrees, he said that they moved it up to Sunday afternoon because they thought going first had a big impact and they hadn't been doing that anymore with the Sunday night conferences.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I really, really doubt that. I would be prepared to go for an avatar bet in fact. Borderlands is an entirely different league to Tomb Raider or Dead Rising, with BL2 selling in excess of 12 million copies I believe. MS would have to pay an enormous fee to prevent this from launching on the biggest current-gen console out there right now, and Take-Two and Gearbox would be looking for massive compensation due to the lost sales. Especially given that the online co-op shooter genre is bigger now than it ever has been, with Destiny and The Division being among the biggest new IP launches ever.
On the other hand, after Battleborn's low sales it's more critical than ever that Borderlands 3 sells as much as possible.
I don't think Borderlands would escape the same criticism as it's a series that has also always been multiplat.
I think going last only really works if you have a genuinely great show, otherwise you get overshadowed by what's already been before.
Nightengale
Member
You know, a timed-exclusive BL3 would be really interesting from a business and marketplace perspective in 2017-2018.
Right now, the space for the shared-world shooter space has never been more vibrant, with games like Destiny, Division, etc finding huge successes, and if you extend it further to the co-op shooter space that scratches partially similar itches, many games-as-a-service are doing very very well.
It does beg the question where is the saturation point for such games and at what point will we see one of the winners in the space.. you know, fail to achieve same levels of success as other winners, or fall from their peak.
Bioware's Project Dylan and Gearbox's Borderlands 3 are the first two games that rose to mind in terms of "are they able to enter this space and capture the same scale of an audience that Destiny/Division/BL2" did?
Dylan will be entering the space as a relative later-comer to the scene, especially with the delay. Even with Bioware's best talent on the game, it won't be a easy to be a 12+ million seller. which is what the top dogs of the shared world shooter games do.
And Borderlands 3 is super interesting, because from a personal opinion level that can very well be completely opposite of the truth, I feel like Borderland's mainstream appeal just isn't as strong as Destiny/Division, and part of the reason for their success is due to their first mover advantage.
I do wonder if a BL3 could sell the same as what BL2 did.
Right now, the space for the shared-world shooter space has never been more vibrant, with games like Destiny, Division, etc finding huge successes, and if you extend it further to the co-op shooter space that scratches partially similar itches, many games-as-a-service are doing very very well.
It does beg the question where is the saturation point for such games and at what point will we see one of the winners in the space.. you know, fail to achieve same levels of success as other winners, or fall from their peak.
Bioware's Project Dylan and Gearbox's Borderlands 3 are the first two games that rose to mind in terms of "are they able to enter this space and capture the same scale of an audience that Destiny/Division/BL2" did?
Dylan will be entering the space as a relative later-comer to the scene, especially with the delay. Even with Bioware's best talent on the game, it won't be a easy to be a 12+ million seller. which is what the top dogs of the shared world shooter games do.
And Borderlands 3 is super interesting, because from a personal opinion level that can very well be completely opposite of the truth, I feel like Borderland's mainstream appeal just isn't as strong as Destiny/Division, and part of the reason for their success is due to their first mover advantage.
I do wonder if a BL3 could sell the same as what BL2 did.
Grumplestiltskin
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I"m thinking that Bioware's new IP will be showcased at the MS conference. Since its supposedly a Destiny like it makes perfect sense for them to pursue a marketing deal with EA for it and despite the release delay they should have enough of a game to show off the overall concept and early gameplay. Seeing as it will likely use frostbite I'm sure it'll be quite the looker on Scorpio as well.
We often see data several days after the conference stating, of the 3 major brands, Microsoft received the most social media impressions, or something along those lines. So perhaps Phil Spencer is basing his opinion on the data? But what is absent from these studies is the fact Europe is sleeping when Sony's conference airs, which is bound to skew the results.
LordOfLore
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Did anyone hear a rumor about Scalebound maybe getting rebooted under a new team? Saw MS renewed the trademark as well.
Some Nobody
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The thing about this is I feel like it doesn't even matter if he's lying or not. If Platinum's not involved, I'm automatically much less interested. They'd have to prove to me they're willing to develop a world that feels worth exploring without my needing partners or being online before I even took proper notice.
DriftingSpirit
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What team would work on it though?
HeisenbergWW62
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Lionhead
DriftingSpirit
Member
A revival of Lionhead in order to work on Scalebound? I've heard crazier things.
Looks like you're onto something.
Wait. Resume? Thats would be odd imo.
Lol, is that your Twitter?
Yeah. Not believing that one.
Poodlestrike
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Not gonna lie, I could see the "MS revives Scalebound internally" part being true, but the second set of tweets reads like 100% fanfiction.
Looks like you're onto something.
I was about to write a joke on this that lionhead would retake this project, then i saw that tweet, this have to be a joke.... this would be the worse new i could ever imagine, just kill the project.
Read the Twitter name.
Of course, and the insider for the first tweet is HeisenbergWW62. For the second tweet it's my uncle who knows somebody who has played Forza Horizon.
/Anyone can make something up on bullshit. I don't see why that X-Rays account would suddenly be considered trustworthy.
Well, yeah. I don't think any sane person actually thinks that Scalebound is getting finished.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
What the fuck is happening today. MS reopening Lionhead? Eh....didn't a lot of employees already went to another studio?
Nevermind, he did it on purpose, my bad. Let's see if there actually will be news soon. I doubt it.
Nevermind, he did it on purpose, my bad. Let's see if there actually will be news soon. I doubt it.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
I know this is bait, but I'm still curious.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Schrödinger's cat;237234216 said:
Nobody will answer you so it will be the crazyest thing and will also not be the crazyest thing
.... Sorry I had to.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Hahaha.
Reopening Lionhead. Renewing trademark for Scalebound and have a new team working on it.
I'll add into the mix that Rare are working on Banjo Threeie, PGR5 is a 2018 game, Viva Piñata s in current development and Project Dylan is actually the third KotOR exclusively made for Xbox from Bioware.
This is fun
Reopening Lionhead. Renewing trademark for Scalebound and have a new team working on it.
I'll add into the mix that Rare are working on Banjo Threeie, PGR5 is a 2018 game, Viva Piñata s in current development and Project Dylan is actually the third KotOR exclusively made for Xbox from Bioware.
This is fun
HeisenbergWW62
Banned
HmmmmmmmHahaha.
Reopening Lionhead. Renewing trademark for Scalebound and have a new team working on it.
I'll add into the mix that Rare are working on Banjo Threeie, PGR5 is a 2018 game, Viva Piñata s in current development and Project Dylan is actually the third KotOR exclusively made for Xbox from Bioware.
This is fun
DriftingSpirit
Member
It is just a saying. I didn't mean it literally lol. Lionhead being revived to work on Scalebound would easily be up toward the top in terms of craziness.Schrödinger's cat;237234216 said:
Hahaha.
Reopening Lionhead. Renewing trademark for Scalebound and have a new team working on it.
I'll add into the mix that Rare are working on Banjo Threeie, PGR5 is a 2018 game, Viva Piñata s in current development and Project Dylan is actually the third KotOR exclusively made for Xbox from Bioware.
This is fun
I want Top Spin with XSN 2017, too.
Bits N Pieces
Member
You got it! Anything else?
X-Rays has been known as a fake insider for a long time in the Italian community. Don't believe him, he's basically a worse mister x.
And you are?
Lionhead reopening? Why close it in the first instance? To reboot the talent there?
Scalebound back in the works?
Thread got crazy in no time.
It's pre-E3 fever. Embrace it.
Papa Phil going to shut them down.
CrimsonEclipse
Member
lol....
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Which is always a good thing. I mean games out of the box will automatically perform/look better without any dev input required but for a bump to 4K a dev is needed. I finished that campaign once and definitely am willing to finish it again when I have my Scorpio and that game has received a significant bump visuals wide.