Are we sure about cooler? The new skylakes are still 15W like the sp3 ones were, so the thermal potential is the same. So possibly faster and longer battery, but similar thermal issues. Or because they've updated the integrated GPU, it might remain cooler for CPU focused tasks.
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Microsoft Surface Pro 3 Announced (12", 3:2 aspect ratio, new stand)
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Are we sure about cooler? The new skylakes are still 15W like the sp3 ones were, so the thermal potential is the same. So possibly faster and longer battery, but similar thermal issues. Or because they've updated the integrated GPU, it might remain cooler for CPU focused tasks.
IMO it was one of the top problems with the SP3, so it *has* to be better in SP4. Ideally that doesn't mean throttling the power to keep it running low.
brotkasten
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Apple's type cover solution is surprisingly clunky and not well designed at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjvfzUujRDk
I really can't see how it can compete with the Surface Pro on an enterprise level at this point, without a 3rd party keyboard. That's not what I expected at all.
That doesn't mean it won't be successful, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjvfzUujRDk
I really can't see how it can compete with the Surface Pro on an enterprise level at this point, without a 3rd party keyboard. That's not what I expected at all.
That doesn't mean it won't be successful, of course.
Chezzymann
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Any tips on keeping the battery from dying with the surface pro 3? I'm getting a free replacement since the battery just died on my previous one but I want to make sure I can prevent this from happening in the future. The guy at the Microsoft store said you shouldn't have it charging for too long cause if its at 100% for too long there's a chance it could over charge the battery and fry it or something.
Should I just turn it off instead when I'm not using it instead of keeping it plugged in all day? What I've been doing before is keeping it plugged in all the time and taking it off the plug when I'm using it. But one day the battery just stopped working. If you guys could provide any help that would be great.
Should I just turn it off instead when I'm not using it instead of keeping it plugged in all day? What I've been doing before is keeping it plugged in all the time and taking it off the plug when I'm using it. But one day the battery just stopped working. If you guys could provide any help that would be great.
Damon Bennet
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They already introduced a styles. A mouse and courser on an iPad would have been too much
Anton Sugar
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Yeah, I don't know what the fuck they were thinking with that keyboard. I said it in the iPad Pro OT: almost three years after the Surface and all they could come up with was a keyboard that folds. Almost every single criticism lobbed at the Surface 1 kickstand is applicable.
Verge score for the iPad Pro, 9.5
The iPad probably won't be held to the same standards. It will be seen more as a tablet than as a tablet/laptop hybrid. Reviewers won't as much hold it up against a laptop and bitch about lappability.
Steelyuhas
Member
Really baffled at the iPad Pro. Mediocre and overpriced accessories for what is just a huge iPad, I have no idea what the target audience is for that thing.
The stylus is nice but they should properly support different modes of operation.
They already introduce a 'mouse pointer' with the two finger swipe on the keyboard. It would be easy to at least add mouse support. Constantly having to lean forward to touch an icon while you're typing would be annoying.
Lone_Prodigy
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Making a SP3 competitor must be making MS happy. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
The All New Dell XPS sure is looking familiar.
brotkasten
Member
"Dell Active Stylus" -> "one click to OneNote"
Yeah, at this point it has to be a partner effort. HP is probably next.
I'm honestly really glad about that. It gives us some competition in the market and I'm curious to see how the pens compare to each other. If the Dell stylus is anything like the one for the Venue 8 Pro, then it's an instant avoid.
Yeah, at this point it has to be a partner effort. HP is probably next.
I'm honestly really glad about that. It gives us some competition in the market and I'm curious to see how the pens compare to each other. If the Dell stylus is anything like the one for the Venue 8 Pro, then it's an instant avoid.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Don't mention the Venue 8 Pro.
I'm still bitter about that one.
I'm still bitter about that one.
BTW... I downloaded Manga Studio 5EX trial version last night as everyone seems to say it's so much better for comics/illustration than Photoshop.
The lag is pretty bad when drawing on my i5 SP3. Like very noticeable when make fast pen strokes, the cursor is just way behind where I'm drawing compared to Photoshop.
The lag is pretty bad when drawing on my i5 SP3. Like very noticeable when make fast pen strokes, the cursor is just way behind where I'm drawing compared to Photoshop.
brotkasten
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Your post reminds me, and I know it's not representative for all SP3s, how janky the device can be, according to user reports. It seems to have lots of issues with drivers for WiFi and the pen.
I really, really hope they nailed the experience with the SP4 and it doesn't require 3 FW updates to get somewhat stable WiFi. I can't blame people for picking the iPad Pro over the Surface, because they don't want to deal with Windows.
brotkasten
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It might not be a Windows issue per se, but it's definitely part of the charm, as they say. It just adds to the stigma that Windows can be super janky.
Then again, of course it's Apple users who say that.
Microsoft needs to get a firmware update for the Pro 3 with Windows 10. I like a lot about Windows 10 but Edge absolutely destroys the battery. The device get's super hot then starts downclocking to cool itself off. When that happens even youtube starts pausing.
Also they need to fix the fact that you cannot change the default keyboard when you're using a pen. Handwriting every letter is not faster than just tapping the keys.
Also they need to fix the fact that you cannot change the default keyboard when you're using a pen. Handwriting every letter is not faster than just tapping the keys.
Bits N Pieces
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looking forward to seeing what they announce at this thing 
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Anton Sugar
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Is he using "launch" literally or is it just an announcement?
Bits N Pieces
Member
I think they might have some phones to announce and launch at the event, maybe?
Doubt the SP4 will launch on the 6th though.
Doubt the SP4 will launch on the 6th though.
LOL
who knows... but the currently rumor mill thinking seems to be October announce, November launch.
brotkasten
Member
Provember.
Septimus Prime
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Maybe he means they will "launch" the words out of Nadella's mouth as an announcement.
n64coder
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What's up with the Venue 8 Pro?
I currently have an iPad 2 and am looking to replace it with a faster table. I already have the SP3 which I enjoy using but I want a dedicated tablet that is about the same size. I find the SP3 to be too large/heavy for bedtime reading and stuff like that.
I thought I would be checking out the Venue 8 Pro since I've heard good things about it. I might also stick with iPad Air 2 so I can still have access for the iOS ecosystem
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
My Venue 8 Pro is a total lemon.
Battery performance went to the dogs really fast, the keyboard was never released over here and pen support is crap. Also, my unit came with a defective digitizer and since I bought it from an American gaffer I couldn't service it in Europe.
Shit deal all around.
Got an iPad Air 2 not so long ago and it's working far better for me, specially since its desktop performance is nothing to rave about (I thought it could replace my laptop... how mistaken I was).
Battery performance went to the dogs really fast, the keyboard was never released over here and pen support is crap. Also, my unit came with a defective digitizer and since I bought it from an American gaffer I couldn't service it in Europe.
Shit deal all around.
Got an iPad Air 2 not so long ago and it's working far better for me, specially since its desktop performance is nothing to rave about (I thought it could replace my laptop... how mistaken I was).
Regarding pen keyboard.. Have you tried flipping pen away and tapping where you want to type with a finger instead of pen? It brings up the type board. It's tough to create the habit but I'm getting used to it
But yes an option for default keyboard regardless of input device would be nice
Probably still worked tho.
Yup, really annoying. I installed W10 freshly after the preview build hiccups. Device feels smoother too.
I used the upgrade tool. But you will have to DL the installation of course.
Sure, and the WiFi on my wife's (kid's) iPad is terrible as well. Half the time it won't connect and I need to reboot, not to mention the sounds/speakers not working for half the games/apps as well.
Is it an iOS problem, or simply the iPad? I guess it doesn't really matter, but at least I don't need to deal with it much.
It really is kind of fascinating given how many people have hated on Surface Pro throughout the years. Like in the video, you literally slap an Apple logo on it and give it less functionality, and it's revolutionary.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Lol pretty accurate actually.
As someone who's more likely to buy a SP4 over an iPad Pro, I don't think I would miss much in terms of games going with the iPad. Playing desktop games on a 12' screen must be a torture.