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[isamu]

Ned Flaners...that was without a doubt the best post you've ever made on GAF. Good job man

To me hes a rapist who can't win fights anymore. and if it's one thing rapists deserve, it's a beating.

Yeah, cuz you were actually there in the hotel and have proof that he raped that money hungry bitch...right? :rolleyesx999:


By the way I'm confident we'll see him fight again...

 

[MC Safety]

Correct on all but one. At his peak, Tyson was an EXCELLENT boxer. But like so many boxers, age (and sitting on money) caught up with him.

At his peak he lost to Buster Douglas. And he rose through the ranks fighting boxers who really weren't great.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

At his peak he lost to Buster Douglas. And he rose through the ranks fighting boxers who really weren't great.

I'd say he peaked against Spinks. After that, all the turmoil in his life, outside of the Ring, caught up with him, and it all came crashing down against Douglas. A lot of things happened between those two fights to erode the Iron Mike we knew.

He was indeed an excellent boxer in his prime. The peek-a-boo style made him difficult to hit, and obviously he was powerful, but it was his tremendous hand speed that really made him the threat that he was.

 

[ParkPace]

Remember that Tyson movie that HBO made a few years ago? I thought that was a pretty well-done movie.

 

[Ned Flanders]

I excised the long, touching apology for Tyson.

Mike Tyson is a child, a rapist, an abuser of women, bites ears when he's losing, tries to destroy a man's livelihood (as bad at it as he may be) by trying to break his arm, and a quitter.

He's no one to look up to or admire. He wasn't even that great a fighter.

You said it yourself.."Tyson is a child". For much of his life he's been a child..a man undeveloped in even the most basic concepts of behavioral norms or social limitations. Yet you would not hold a child as an "animal" for harming another person or not knowing how to treat a lady. You'd reprimand him, and teach him protocol for interacting with others. You'd teach him..respect. The only person who ever taught Mike Tyson respect was D'Amato, and that was short lived because after his death, the yes-men arrived. How are you supposed to learn temperance and decency when you're surrounded by greedy people who endorse your every action? How are you supposed to learn to accept a womans denial of you when you've never been taught to respect her and never had to deal with being turned down? Before D'Amato, all Tyson knew was that to get something, he had to take it. He robbed old women and shoplifted freely. He beat people up for their belongings. Now you make an emotional man-child heavyweight champ, a multimillionaire and one of the most recognizable figures in sports, and he's supposed to take no for an answer??

I'm not here to excuse his evils. Mike has done wrong and has been punished for his misdeeds. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be so quick to judge a man in his situation, who was never given half the guidance most of us were, yet was thrown into a cesspool of temptation and privelege that many of us couldn't handle even with a decent upbringing and an understanding of right and wrong. He's obviously making great strides toward getting himself on the right track and seems like a far more grounded man than even a few years ago after the Lewis fight. He may not be worthy of admiration, but he is a good person trying to make the most out of bad circumstances, and I wanted to shed some light on that given that all the media and fans see is a circus freak who's good for nothing but laughter and spite.

 

[DCX]

You said it yourself.."Tyson is a child". For much of his life he's been a child..a man undeveloped in even the most basic concepts of behavioral norms or social limitations. Yet you would not hold a child as an "animal" for harming another person or not knowing how to treat a lady. You'd reprimand him, and teach him protocol for interacting with others. You'd teach him..respect. The only person who ever taught Mike Tyson respect was D'Amato, and that was short lived because after his death, the yes-men arrived. How are you supposed to learn temperance and decency when you're surrounded by greedy people who endorse your every action? How are you supposed to learn to accept a womans denial of you when you've never been taught to respect her and never had to deal with being turned down? Before D'Amato, all Tyson knew was that to get something, he had to take it. He robbed old women and shoplifted freely. He beat people up for their belongings. Now you make an emotional man-child heavyweight champ, a multimillionaire and one of the most recognizable figures in sports, and he's supposed to take no for an answer??

I'm not here to excuse his evils. Mike has done wrong and has been punished for his misdeeds. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be so quick to judge a man in his situation, who was never given half the guidance most of us were, yet was thrown into a cesspool of tempation and privelege that many of us couldn't handle even with a decent upbringing and an understanding of right and wrong. He's obviously making great strides toward getting himself on the right track and seems like a far more grounded man than even a few years ago after the Lewis fight. He may not be worthy of admiration, but he is a good person trying to make the most out of bad circumstances, and I wanted to shed some light on that given that all the media and fans see is a circus freak who's good for nothing but laughter and spite.

That was just beautiful, just beautiful.

DCX

 

[MC Safety]

You said it yourself.."Tyson is a child". For much of his life he's been a child..a man undeveloped in even the most basic concepts of behavioral norms or social limitations. Yet you would not hold a child as an "animal" for harming another person or not knowing how to treat a lady. You'd reprimand him, and teach him protocol for interacting with others. You'd teach him..respect. The only person who ever taught Mike Tyson respect was D'Amato, and that was short lived because after his death, the yes-men arrived. How are you supposed to learn temperance and decency when you're surrounded by greedy people who endorse your every action? How are you supposed to learn to accept a womans denial of you when you've never been taught to respect her and never had to deal with being turned down? Before D'Amato, all Tyson knew was that to get something, he had to take it. He robbed old women and shoplifted freely. He beat people up for their belongings. Now you make an emotional man-child heavyweight champ, a multimillionaire and one of the most recognizable figures in sports, and he's supposed to take no for an answer??

I'm not here to excuse his evils. Mike has done wrong and has been punished for his misdeeds. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be so quick to judge a man in his situation, who was never given half the guidance most of us were, yet was thrown into a cesspool of temptation and privelege that many of us couldn't handle even with a decent upbringing and an understanding of right and wrong. He's obviously making great strides toward getting himself on the right track and seems like a far more grounded man than even a few years ago after the Lewis fight. He may not be worthy of admiration, but he is a good person trying to make the most out of bad circumstances, and I wanted to shed some light on that given that all the media and fans see is a circus freak who's good for nothing but laughter and spite.

Just stop. He's not making great strides. He tried to break a man's arm because he was frustrated. He gave up because fighting a milkcan was too tough for him.

The man is 38 years old and you're patronizing him. You can make all the excuses you want for Mike Tyson, but the cold hard truth is that even a five-year-old can learn a lesson by himself. You're saying Tyson is too what -- simple? -- that in 38 years he could learn nothing for himself, and any lessons taught to him would be quickly forgotten after the removal of the teacher.

Jail taught him nothing. Losing all his money taught him nothing. Suspension by recognized boxing councils taught him nothing.

I don't buy it, nor do I buy your apologist's lament that he is a good person.

 

[Boogie]

What's this "trying to break a man's arm" shit?

:lol @ being able to break someone's arm standing in a boxing match. Anybody got a clip or gif of this "arm break" attempt? :lol

 

[ParkPace]

What's this "trying to break a man's arm" shit?

:lol @ being able to break someone's arm standing in a boxing match. Anybody got a clip or gif of this "arm break" attempt? :lol

Not the first time he's tried it. Didn't he try to break Francois Botha's arm too?

 

[Boogie]

I'd love to see how Tyson tries to break someone's arm in a boxing match.

Something tells me that he didn't go for a flying armbar :lol

 

[Ninja Scooter]

he basically clinches their arm and twists it, bending their elbow up where its not supposed to bend. He did it to Botha before during their fight, and McBride looked like he was still favoring that arm a little even after the fight.

He also gave McBride a nice intentional headbutt after that that busted him open.

 

[ShadowRed]

Ned is either the most racist person on this board or the most forgiving. Calling him a child, and using it as a way to explain away his crimes against women and his inability to deal with setbacks without violently lashing out reminds me of some of the most racist literature I've had the misfortune to come across. David Duke couldn't have written a better prose on the inferiority of the black man. Sure I feel sorry for Mike and all but no way do I excuse his behavior when it strays outside the norm of society

 

[Ned Flanders]

Stu, I hope people judge you even more harshly in life than you judge others. I hope that people won't be able to look past your mistakes to your inner good. I hope people won't allow you second chances. I hope that people don't take your circumstances into account when writing you off as a human being.

And I don't understand how throwing in the towel in a boxing match is "quitting". Isn't being physically spent a form of being beaten? Is it worth putting yourself in jeopardy when you know you can no longer physically compete? Last night Mohammed Abdullaev (after getting shelled by Miguel Cotto) stopped mid-round to signal to the doctor to come and look at his near-closed right eye, upon which the fight was called. Does that make him a "quitter" because he didn't have the physical tools to continue to compete? Given that he couldn't see out of one eye, should he have just continued, even at the risk of permanent sight loss? Mike was beat..he didn't have the stamina anymore, nor the will or desire to try and push through. Admitting defeat doesn't make you a quitter. Given how Mike has reacted to being cornered in the ring before, perhaps throwing in the towel was his way of preventing himself from doing something rash in the heat of the moment.

..but the cold hard truth is that even a five-year-old can learn a lesson by himself.

And what lessons did Mike learn, with all the guidance of being fatherless and in and out of school? When I beat someone up, I get things. Don't trust anyone. Take what you can, while you can. Etc. Pretend you could walk in his shoes and make better of yourself Stu, just pretend. You chastise Mike for being a slow learner..a hard learner. What I'm trying to say is that at least he seems willing to learn. Many who share his upbringing are dead, in jail, drug addicts, or in mental institutions. Mike hasn't had the smoothest road, but he's still going forward, and people like you would rather he went back from where he came because of his failures. I would rather people like you, went back to where he came from, and THEN come talk to me about how despicable a human being Tyson is.

 

[Boogie]

Ned is either the most racist person on this board or the most forgiving.

Naw, he's just the most misogynistic. Makes it easier to overlook those crimes against women

 

[Ned Flanders]

Ned is either the most racist person on this board or the most forgiving. Calling him a child, and using it as a way to explain away his crimes against women and his inability to deal with setbacks without violently lashing out reminds me of some of the most racist literature I've had the misfortune to come across. David Duke couldn't have written a better prose on the inferiority of the black man. Sure I feel sorry for Mike and all but no way do I excuse his behavior when it strays outside the norm of society

I am the LEAST racist person on this board, bar none. I've caused numerous shitstorms by not allowing people to get away with latent anti-semitic remarks. So kill that shit immediately.

Tyson has done despicable things, and has been a horrible person for much of his life. All I'm saying is that you and I and most of the people on this board would have turned out at least as bad had we been through what he'd been through, and that its clear from listening to him in his more reflective, honest moments, that deep down there is a kind, thoughtful person underneath the phacade of savagery that has served as his defense mechanism all his life.

 

[Ned Flanders]

Naw, he's just the most misogynistic. Makes it easier to overlook those crimes against women

All my misogyny and macho bravado is just sarcasm. I'm no more a player than anyone here, and women are no more bimbos and hoes to me than most of the rest of you. It just makes for fun banter. I respect women who deserve it, and pity those who don't. I don't even cheat on my girlfriend, much less rape or womanize.

 

[Boogie]

All my misogyny and macho bravado is just sarcasm. I'm no more a player than anyone here, and women are no more bimbos and hoes to me than most of the rest of you. It just makes for fun banter. I respect women who deserve it, and pity those who don't. I don't even cheat on my girlfriend, much less rape or womanize.

haha, ok.

but I would say that you've got to be "more a player" than at least some of us here

 

[Ned Flanders]

Ok ok you got me. I'll concede that. I am indeed more of a player than AlphaSnake.

 

[MC Safety]

Just stop. You're now embarrassing yourself, wishing me ill and trying to defend Mike Tyson.

And I never said Mike was slow or incapable of learning -- you're the one who's claiming he's 38 years old and forgot the lessons taught to him by his kindly white trainer. I'm merely saying Tyson is 38 years old and still behaves like a violent, petulant child.

Plenty of people grow up with hardship. That doesn't prevent them from learning basic lessons: don't hit women, don't rape women, don't try to break people's arms when you're frustrated, don't bite ears when you're losing.

Stu, I hope people judge you even more harshly in life than you judge others. I hope that people won't be able to look past your mistakes to your inner good. I hope people won't allow you second chances. I hope that people don't take your circumstances into account when writing you off as a human being.

And I don't understand how throwing in the towel in a boxing match is "quitting". Isn't being physically spent a form of being beaten? Is it worth putting yourself in jeopardy when you know you can no longer physically compete? Last night Mohammed Abdullaev (after getting shelled by Miguel Cotto) stopped mid-round to signal to the doctor to come and look at his near-closed right eye, upon which the fight was called. Does that make him a "quitter" because he didn't have the physical tools to continue to compete? Given that he couldn't see out of one eye, should he have just continued, even at the risk of permanent sight loss? Mike was beat..he didn't have the stamina anymore, nor the will or desire to try and push through. Admitting defeat doesn't make you a quitter. Given how Mike has reacted to being cornered in the ring before, perhaps throwing in the towel was his way of preventing himself from doing something rash in the heat of the moment.



And what lessons did Mike learn, with all the guidance of being fatherless and in and out of school? When I beat someone up, I get things. Don't trust anyone. Take what you can, while you can. Etc. Pretend you could walk in his shoes and make better of yourself Stu, just pretend. You chastise Mike for being a slow learner..a hard learner. What I'm trying to say is that at least he seems willing to learn. Many who share his upbringing are dead, in jail, drug addicts, or in mental institutions. Mike hasn't had the smoothest road, but he's still going forward, and people like you would rather he went back from where he came because of his failures. I would rather people like you, went back to where he came from, and THEN come talk to me about how despicable a human being Tyson is.

 

[Ned Flanders]

Just stop. You're now embarrassing yourself, wishing me ill and trying to defend Mike Tyson.

And I never said Mike was slow or incapable of learning -- you're the one who's claiming he's 38 years old and forgot the lessons taught to him by his kindly white trainer. I'm merely saying Tyson is 38 years old and still behaves like a violent, petulant child.

He didn't forget what D'Amato taught him. He was 16-18 years old at the time. Much of it he never understood..

"Cus once told me, 'You'e the kind of person who has to get hurt to learn.' He was probably right. I thought I was listening to him because I was winning all the fights. I didn't understand he was talking about in life. I am 50-5, that's almost perfect in the fighting business. But in the fight of life I am a pug, a palooka. Cus was a problem solver. He had me wrapped around his finger. I would have married who he told me to marry."

..all he knew was that boxing kept him off the streets and gave him a chance to succeed. He did everything as Cus asked him too. He wasn't equipped to deal real life, much less with the fame and success, on his own. After winning the heavyweight title..

"It was a great feeling when I was alone but it was uncomfortable when I was in public because I didn't know how to act."

Plenty of people grow up with hardship. That doesn't prevent them from learning basic lessons: don't hit women, don't rape women, don't try to break people's arms when you're frustrated, don't bite ears when you're losing.

You'd probably get pissed at a feral child for not minding his table manners or crapping in the yard. Tyson has always reverted to his savage beginings when he feels vulnerable. Lashing out at people at the Lewis press conference. The Holyfield incident. Cursing out a broadcaster during a televised interview. Most people's survival mode is one of fearful escape..Tysons is one of brutal lashing out. And it has more to do with nurture than nature.

 

[Ryudo]

Mike Tyson was one of the greatest boxers of all time. No matter what you guys think of him, you cant erase that fact.

 

[MC Safety]

He didn't forget what D'Amato taught him. He was 16-18 years old at the time. Much of it he never understood...

Ned, you're wrong. And you're really patronizing Tyson.

 

[Matlock]

Orlando, did Tyson bite your sister or something?

 

[MC Safety]

Orlando, did Tyson bite your sister or something?

If only I had a sister to bite on account of she called me fatty boomalatty.

Seriously, do I know you?

 

[J2 Cool]

This isn't an argument either of you can win, just so you both know. It's apples and oranges, puppies and kittens.

 

[Boogie]

Found a gif of Tyson's "standing armbar" attempt:

 

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You can feel sorry for the guy, but how is he a "good person"? That's what I seem to be missing out on in the midst of all the "he had a hard life" apologies.

 

[DMczaf]

Found a gif of Tyson's "standing armbar" attempt:

:lol

 

[MC Safety]

This isn't an argument either of you can win, just so you both know. It's apples and oranges, puppies and kittens.

Thanks for the tip. Now if you don't mind, I'm going to watch the .GIF of Tyson trying to break the guy's arm over and over.

 

[Boogie]

Thanks for the tip. Now if you don't mind, I'm going to watch the .GIF of Tyson trying to break the guy's arm over and over.

Oh, step off the "trying to break the guy's arm" schtick.

Was Tyson trying to break his arm? Yes.

Did he have a hope in hell of doing so? Not really.

You'd be better served by decrying Tyson for his headbutting, elbowing, and biting.

 

[NintendosBooger]

God Bless Mike Tyson.

The last of the true gladiators.

 

[Matlock]

If only I had a sister to bite on account of she called me fatty boomalatty.

What the hell? :lol

 

[karasu]

At his peak he lost to Buster Douglas. And he rose through the ranks fighting boxers who really weren't great.

He was not at his peak against Buster Douglas. To quote him:

"Buster kicked my butt, but I didn't train for that fight. I was fucking them japanese girls like it was eating grapes."

 

[karasu]

Oh, step off the "trying to break the guy's arm" schtick.

Was Tyson trying to break his arm? Yes.

Did he have a hope in hell of doing so? Not really.

You'd be better served by decrying Tyson for his headbutting, elbowing, and biting.

he could have.

 

[Boogie]

he could have.

Aw, come on, karasu, for Tyson to have broken his arm, McBride basically would have had to stand there and let him do it

 

[MC Safety]

Oh, step off the "trying to break the guy's arm" schtick.

Was Tyson trying to break his arm? Yes.

Did he have a hope in hell of doing so? Not really.

You'd be better served by decrying Tyson for his headbutting, elbowing, and biting.

All I see is the guy wincing in pain as his arm is being wrenched. I guess we shouldn't condemn that particular move, though, because you feel he couldn't have possibly succeeded in his attempt.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Yeah, cuz you were actually there in the hotel and have proof that he raped that money hungry bitch...right? :rolleyesx999:

“[He] called me a ‘rapist’ and a ‘recluse.’ I’m not a recluse.”

You're stupid.

 

[Boogie]

All I see is the guy wincing in pain as his arm is being wrenched. I guess we shouldn't condemn that particular move, though, because you feel he couldn't have possibly succeeded in his attempt.

Hey, I'm not saying that it wasn't a dirty move, or that Tyson isn't a dirty fighter-- far from it.

I'm just saying that it's hilarious to me when I see people wailing "he nearly broke McBride's arm!"

 

[border]

I'm just saying that it's hilarious to me when I see people wailing "he nearly broke McBride's arm!"

Who said that he "nearly" broke the guy's arm?

 

[bjork]

He was not at his peak against Buster Douglas. To quote him:

"Buster kicked my butt, but I didn't train for that fight. I was fucking them japanese girls like it was eating grapes."

Mike keeps it real. :lol

As long as people will pay to see him, I say more power to him. He should've just finished the fight, but I don't think anyone expected a Tyson fight with no kind of odd goings on.

His antics are better suited to WWE, but I don't think he could be relied upon to stick to a script or even show up, so I dunno.

 

[Boogie]

Who said that he "nearly" broke the guy's arm?

All right, now don't get technical here

 

[EviLore]

If anyone cares, I have a high quality 10 minute highlight video of Tyson's career. Very high production values, and it should clear the bad taste left by the McBride fight.

I have it seeded here, and I'll leave it seeded for at least a day. Doesn't seem to be available anywhere else at the moment, from what I can tell. Get it and spread it around.

Best HL I've seen, easily.

 

[Teddman]

things really didn't start to go down hill in the Ring until Kevin Rooney, his trainer, was let go. Don King took over, Tyson brought in some of his old friends, and then things began to really go down hill, as was evident in the Douglas fight.

That's absolutely right, if only Tyson had stuck with Rooney he might never have fallen so hard. If you've seen that documentary made on Tyson about a decade ago (I believe it was on PBS?), the chemistry he had with Rooney was just second nature. They had code numbers for different combinations and really planned his attack down to a mathematic level... Early Tyson wasn't just pure rage in the ring, there was a lot of technique backing it up.

Sadly, most of that seemed to go out the window once he parted ways with Rooney.

 

[El_Victor]

If anyone cares, I have a high quality 10 minute highlight video of Tyson's career. Very high production values, and it should clear the bad taste left by the McBride fight.

I have it seeded here, and I'll leave it seeded for at least a day. Doesn't seem to be available anywhere else at the moment, from what I can tell. Get it and spread it around.

Best HL I've seen, easily.

Downloading now, thanks'

 

[DarienA]

If anyone cares, I have a high quality 10 minute highlight video of Tyson's career. Very high production values, and it should clear the bad taste left by the McBride fight.

I have it seeded here, and I'll leave it seeded for at least a day. Doesn't seem to be available anywhere else at the moment, from what I can tell. Get it and spread it around.

Best HL I've seen, easily.

Evil I'm not going to be able to get to download that til this evening... will you leave it seeded til say... late tonight?

 

[DCX]

Wow...that video is great! Tyson was a beast....one of the best fighters ever.

DCX

 

[EekTheKat]

WTF

McBride tells paper: Tyson 'bit my nipple'

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/3694450


I'm not sure whether to laugh, cringe, or just generally be disturbed by this news

 

[UltraMarioMan]

I don't like this sport but you guys bashing Tyson...you relise he could break you in half at his worst right?

 

[Ryck]

Wish I could find a Tyson Dvd with ko's and matches......sigh he was awesome I remember my whole family would get together for his matches it was an event.


[edit] The Staminator's been banned how, why?

 

[Boogie]

I don't like this sport but you guys bashing Tyson...you relise he could break you in half at his worst right?

Umm, so the fuck what?

The idea that as a fan you have no right to criticize a fighter unless you are capable of beating him in the ring is the most retarded attitude in all of combat sports.

[edit] The Staminator's been banned how, why?

Winona Ryder thread. Requesting PMs.