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Well, we can all kick your ass, so quit criticizing us!
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Mike Tyson gives it another shot
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Well, we can all kick your ass, so quit criticizing us!
OpinionatedCyborg
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UltraMarioMan said:
This is like the time in grade 4 when Patrick (aka, Fatrick, Pat Wood, etc) chastised me for insulting Joe Carter's baseball skills. "He's way better than you, so just stop critisizing him!" Sigh.
I would suggest reading the other articles linked to from Foxsports.com. They make very good points about Tyson's legacy and overblown image.
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/3683138
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/3686942
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/3689726
"When comparing fighters, one must compare what they did in the ring against the best of their generation. Muhammad Ali won 22 heavyweight title bouts and against greats like Sonny Liston, George Foreman and Joe Frazier he was 5-1. These were the best of his generation and for 14 years, Ali was the dominant fighter in a era with an abundance of great heavyweights.
"Tyson won 13 out of 17 title fights, which can't be dismissed. He beat Spinks, a Hall of Fame fighter, but against Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, he was 0-3. Against the two best heavyweights of his time, he not only lost, but he was stopped in two bouts and disqualified in another. Ali on the other hand, beat the best of his generation. Tyson did not."
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/3683138
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/3686942
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/3689726
"When comparing fighters, one must compare what they did in the ring against the best of their generation. Muhammad Ali won 22 heavyweight title bouts and against greats like Sonny Liston, George Foreman and Joe Frazier he was 5-1. These were the best of his generation and for 14 years, Ali was the dominant fighter in a era with an abundance of great heavyweights.
"Tyson won 13 out of 17 title fights, which can't be dismissed. He beat Spinks, a Hall of Fame fighter, but against Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, he was 0-3. Against the two best heavyweights of his time, he not only lost, but he was stopped in two bouts and disqualified in another. Ali on the other hand, beat the best of his generation. Tyson did not."
karasu
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Disco Stu said:
But there are two different Tyson's. Before Prison, and after Prison. After Prison he was nowhere near what he was at his peak. He doesn't have the mental strength to accomplish what Ali did. I don't believe it's fair to fault a fighter for his competition though. He can't control that. Roy Jones got a lot of flack for that too.
themadcowtipper
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Boxer Kevin McBride says Mike Tyson tried to take a bite out of him during McBride's sixth-round TKO triumph over the former heavyweight champion last Saturday night, according to a report in the British newspaper The Sun.
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McBride stuns Tyson
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/3694450
"Tyson is crazy. He bit my nipple," McBride told the paper. "I didn't realize it at first but he had his teeth around it. I just felt a strange sensation and then realized what he'd done. He could not get up high enough to bite my ears good job he wasn't a midget, otherwise he would have bitten something else."
Tyson also head-butted McBride during their bout, and the Irish heavyweight claims Iron Mike tried to break his arm while the two were in clinches.
"Tyson butted me, tried to break my arm," McBride told The Sun. "I screamed out in pain. He smashed my face with his forearm but I said to him, 'Is that all you have, Mike?' He was just so desperate to win but he is a (expletive) lunatic."
Tyson announced his retirement after the fight. He also tried to explain his actions during the bout.
"I was desperate," Tyson said. "I wanted to win."
In the sixth round, Tyson did get up, walking back to his corner and sitting on his stool. Referee Joe Cortez came by and Tyson told him he wasn't going to fight anymore.
"I didn't want to get up. I was tired," Tyson said.
Just like that, it was over.
"I'm not going to lie to myself," Tyson said. "I'm not going to embarrass this sport any more."
While McBride's corner celebrated, Tyson sat on his stool, a towel around his neck, and watched. He got up, went over and got a kiss on the cheek from McBride.
Tyson's loss to Danny Williams last year could be explained away by his supporters because he tore cartilage in his knee as Williams gave him a beating. This loss to a fighter who wasn't even as good as Williams, who was picked just because he looked like he would go down when hit by Tyson, couldn't be explained away.
McBride talked about how great it was to beat a legend and what the win would mean to Ireland. But the win was over a fighter whose skills were gone before Bill Clinton became president, no matter how much his promoters tried to convince the public otherwise.
"You're smart too late and old too soon," Tyson said. "I just got caught up in that suction cup. I feel like Rip Van Winkle right now."
Assuming Tyson does follow through on his statements and quit, he leaves the sport with 50 wins in his 56 fights, with three of his six defeats coming in his last four fights.
Also left behind are some other bizarre incidents inside the ring: Tyson bit off a portion of Evander Holyfield's ear during the third round of their 1997 fight. He also bit the leg of Lennox Lewis during a brawl at a press conference to announce their 2002 bout.
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McBride stuns Tyson
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/3694450
"Tyson is crazy. He bit my nipple," McBride told the paper. "I didn't realize it at first but he had his teeth around it. I just felt a strange sensation and then realized what he'd done. He could not get up high enough to bite my ears good job he wasn't a midget, otherwise he would have bitten something else."
Tyson also head-butted McBride during their bout, and the Irish heavyweight claims Iron Mike tried to break his arm while the two were in clinches.
"Tyson butted me, tried to break my arm," McBride told The Sun. "I screamed out in pain. He smashed my face with his forearm but I said to him, 'Is that all you have, Mike?' He was just so desperate to win but he is a (expletive) lunatic."
Tyson announced his retirement after the fight. He also tried to explain his actions during the bout.
"I was desperate," Tyson said. "I wanted to win."
In the sixth round, Tyson did get up, walking back to his corner and sitting on his stool. Referee Joe Cortez came by and Tyson told him he wasn't going to fight anymore.
"I didn't want to get up. I was tired," Tyson said.
Just like that, it was over.
"I'm not going to lie to myself," Tyson said. "I'm not going to embarrass this sport any more."
While McBride's corner celebrated, Tyson sat on his stool, a towel around his neck, and watched. He got up, went over and got a kiss on the cheek from McBride.
Tyson's loss to Danny Williams last year could be explained away by his supporters because he tore cartilage in his knee as Williams gave him a beating. This loss to a fighter who wasn't even as good as Williams, who was picked just because he looked like he would go down when hit by Tyson, couldn't be explained away.
McBride talked about how great it was to beat a legend and what the win would mean to Ireland. But the win was over a fighter whose skills were gone before Bill Clinton became president, no matter how much his promoters tried to convince the public otherwise.
"You're smart too late and old too soon," Tyson said. "I just got caught up in that suction cup. I feel like Rip Van Winkle right now."
Assuming Tyson does follow through on his statements and quit, he leaves the sport with 50 wins in his 56 fights, with three of his six defeats coming in his last four fights.
Also left behind are some other bizarre incidents inside the ring: Tyson bit off a portion of Evander Holyfield's ear during the third round of their 1997 fight. He also bit the leg of Lennox Lewis during a brawl at a press conference to announce their 2002 bout.
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