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Maher isn't an intellectual. He's not a great interviewer.
What you get will be a Fox style shouting match at best.
That isn't exactly hard hitting.
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Milo Yiannopoulos is Going on Real Time with Bill Maher
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What you get will be a Fox style shouting match at best.
That isn't exactly hard hitting.
UltimaPooh
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Not true.
Homophobe? uhhhhh about that.....
What Milo did to Leslie Jones and that transgender student should be enough to never invite him onto your show. Never mind the fact that Milo will probably appeal to Maher's delusions of a regressive left afraid to criticize muslims and a PC-police harming liberalism. Not all views are worth listening too, especially when they're espoused by a harmful bullying troll like Milo Yiannopoulos.
Stop acting like a nazi
victreeb3l
Member
Eviscerated or not, the fact that he even gets a platform is a win for him. Its amazing how so many people dont see that.
Yup. Theyre gonna be bros in due time.
Yup. Theyre gonna be bros in due time.
It what he is their no confusing.
Also I seen this a few times now and its not true at all.
You realize that doesn't apply to this thread and that "neo-Nazi" is actually an applicable term for Milo, right?
Raven117
Gold Member
Well, it was a comment less about Maher and more about the philosophy of the "dont' give the guys a platform."
And, his panel discussions are usually better than anything on Fox. (sidenote).
He already has a platform with Breitbart.
tiredheadcrab
Member
Bill brings people like Milo on all the time. It's no surprise. I am sure they will find common ground with liberal intolerance on campuses and they will butt heads on other topics.
When is Milo coming out? The first interview or special guest at the 30 minute mark? If he is at the 30 minute mark, Milo will get owned as he will be involved in the debates.
When is Milo coming out? The first interview or special guest at the 30 minute mark? If he is at the 30 minute mark, Milo will get owned as he will be involved in the debates.
chillybright
Banned
Yep.
Now he has another place to spread his hate.
He still isn't a Nazi or Neo-Nazi, so people should stop with this bullshit.
Are we calling them Nazi, so we can attack/punch them later when we see them? So that hurting them seems okay, because they are "Nazis"?
I'm currently living in germany and I saw and met a LOT of Nazis/Neo-Nazis.
Seems like some people have no fucking idea what a Nazi/Neo-Nazi is. Especially in the US, as it looks like.
Sounds like they want to demonize certain people = automatically Nazis.
That's some dangerous shit and people should stop with this nonsense.
This isn't a 'light in the shadows'.
This is more like a somewhat functioning flashlight that flickers and occasionally gets bright before dimming again, pointed at a black hole.
UltimaPooh
Member
So going on Maher and "owning" Maher will just justify his platform to his base.
So Bill Maher's viewers will just follow him after this show as they bought the books of Ann Coulter?
It is a debate show, you need somebody you can debate.
VendettaRed07
Member
If Jim Jefferies is also going to be on then I'm ok with this
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Let's scale this down a sec:
Say you like to visit a specific forum on the internet. Maybe it's a subreddit, maybe it's a facebook group, maybe it's an actual, old-fashioned-ass messageboard.
That group is valued by you; for to the number of contributors, the level of discourse provided, and the quality of those contributions. It's an entertaining place with insightful exchange of ideas happening fairly frequently. It's got a good signal-to-noise ratio.
Part of the reason it has that ratio is because people with bad faith arguments, shitty trolling practices, and just flat out repulsive/destructive ideals are discovered and then removed from the discussion group. They still have their voice, they just have to use it somewhere else. Maybe they start up their own little spinoff forum where they and 15 other like-minded individuals sit around and circlejerk their sad, poisoned seed onto laminated photos of the "elites" who shunned them for their outlandish/stupid behavior. They still have the freedome to do whatever it is they do over in whatever corner of the internet they choose to gather and yawp at each other unhindered.
Now, if you've ever cheered a ban based on blatant misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia, and harassment; if you've applauded that ban, nodded sagely at it, or even gone so far as to notify a moderator of vile shit you've seen of that type - you more or less agree with the notion that some ideas no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt, and are not welcome on the platform you value, because you recognize how worthless those contributions are, and how worthless indulging their acting out really is, and how damaging to the community the normalization of that behavior can be.
Further, if you've ever suggested/applauded the notion of someone getting dinged for trying to come back to this platform they've already proven they don't deserve, a platform you know they're looking at as a means of exploitation for personal gain (of whatever value they've erroneously assigned in that case)—whether it be via sockpuppet, or alt-account, however you wanna term it—If you've ever thought that pre-emptive denial of access to this platform based on prior, easily observed behaviors, was a positive action that led to better discussion/signal-to-noise ratio...
...then how could you possibly give into the idea that denying Milo Yiannopolous access to Bill Maher's show is somehow detrimental to public discourse.
He's a troll trying to join a popular messageboard in the hopes he can normalize his bullshit for a percentage of the lurkers scrolling through, and then use his inevitable conflict/ejection as fuel for when he eventually returns to his homebase of already-lost assholes.
Essentially: How many of you, if you heard Richard Spencer wanted to join NeoGAF to talk about Star Wars and Zelda, (oh, and also the Lugenpresse and peaceful ethnic cleansing) would then suggest that the only proper course of action would be to let him do so?
And if so: Why?
Say you like to visit a specific forum on the internet. Maybe it's a subreddit, maybe it's a facebook group, maybe it's an actual, old-fashioned-ass messageboard.
That group is valued by you; for to the number of contributors, the level of discourse provided, and the quality of those contributions. It's an entertaining place with insightful exchange of ideas happening fairly frequently. It's got a good signal-to-noise ratio.
Part of the reason it has that ratio is because people with bad faith arguments, shitty trolling practices, and just flat out repulsive/destructive ideals are discovered and then removed from the discussion group. They still have their voice, they just have to use it somewhere else. Maybe they start up their own little spinoff forum where they and 15 other like-minded individuals sit around and circlejerk their sad, poisoned seed onto laminated photos of the "elites" who shunned them for their outlandish/stupid behavior. They still have the freedome to do whatever it is they do over in whatever corner of the internet they choose to gather and yawp at each other unhindered.
Now, if you've ever cheered a ban based on blatant misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia, and harassment; if you've applauded that ban, nodded sagely at it, or even gone so far as to notify a moderator of vile shit you've seen of that type - you more or less agree with the notion that some ideas no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt, and are not welcome on the platform you value, because you recognize how worthless those contributions are, and how worthless indulging their acting out really is, and how damaging to the community the normalization of that behavior can be.
Further, if you've ever suggested/applauded the notion of someone getting dinged for trying to come back to this platform they've already proven they don't deserve, a platform you know they're looking at as a means of exploitation for personal gain (of whatever value they've erroneously assigned in that case)—whether it be via sockpuppet, or alt-account, however you wanna term it—If you've ever thought that pre-emptive denial of access to this platform based on prior, easily observed behaviors, was a positive action that led to better discussion/signal-to-noise ratio...
...then how could you possibly give into the idea that denying Milo Yiannopolous access to Bill Maher's show is somehow detrimental to public discourse.
He's a troll trying to join a popular messageboard in the hopes he can normalize his bullshit for a percentage of the lurkers scrolling through, and then use his inevitable conflict/ejection as fuel for when he eventually returns to his homebase of already-lost assholes.
Essentially: How many of you, if you heard Richard Spencer wanted to join NeoGAF to talk about Star Wars and Zelda, (oh, and also the Lugenpresse and peaceful ethnic cleansing) would then suggest that the only proper course of action would be to let him do so?
And if so: Why?
UltimaPooh
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I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Nope. It's truly about Maher's inability to actually dig deep.
He loves guys like Milo.
I'm all for Maher giving him a spanking on TV. I can only imagine his writing team has some fantastic points and they would only invite him on because they are going to tear him to shreds.
I can understand not wanting to give this guy a platform, but these people need to be publicly tarred and feathered.
I can understand not wanting to give this guy a platform, but these people need to be publicly tarred and feathered.
Gentleman Jack
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http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/10/0...-he-would-cure-his-homosexuality-if-he-could/
He's condemned his own homesexuality as an illness the he would cure if he could.
He's written a column titled "Dear Straight People: Im Officially Giving You Permission To Say Gay, Faggot and Queer" Guess the direction it takes.
But please, go on, you were about to say something.
BrutishMrFish
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Yes? We knows he gay. He sees homosexuality as being immoral.
nice gotcha
So? Exposing him is even easier then.
Ninja Scooter
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I also don't have a ton of faith in Maher's debate skills. Even with someone who he disagrees heavily with, he will try and find a common issue to agree with and bond over (usually weed).
lmao. He has an illness. In his fucking head. Seriously, Milo is a giant asshat and troll.
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There is a big difference between having people who disagree with you on you show (and he does plenty of that) and giving a neo-nazi a larger platform to reach more people. The alt-right/neo-nazis should not be treated as equals. He is essentially elevating him to his level.
Androidsleeps
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Off-brand Ann coulter
Piers morgan the human dildo
milo fuckface
can't wait to see David duke on RT next week. Seriously the show always had some interesting debates and panels, but what's up with the new season and giving a platform to these people? The worst part is that Bill seems to hold back when he's having these trump whores.
Like did you really think this 22 year old Tami whatever, who parrots talking points handed to her by her superiors who are priming her to be the next Ann coulter or shit, deserved to be a guest on your show Bill?
As for this week's fuckface, I hope he gets shat on for the entire show.
Piers morgan the human dildo
milo fuckface
can't wait to see David duke on RT next week. Seriously the show always had some interesting debates and panels, but what's up with the new season and giving a platform to these people? The worst part is that Bill seems to hold back when he's having these trump whores.
Like did you really think this 22 year old Tami whatever, who parrots talking points handed to her by her superiors who are priming her to be the next Ann coulter or shit, deserved to be a guest on your show Bill?
As for this week's fuckface, I hope he gets shat on for the entire show.
I agree with this.
The right talked like the left were communists taking over with death camps for 8 years. Now that we face actual white supremacists and neo-nazis, we need to confront them in public about these real beliefs for all to see. This is how we pierce the bubble and let some reality in.
Vicetrailia
Banned
Maher and the panel will destroy Milo. But I don't agree with him going on the show, dude is just a dumpster-fire.
UltimaPooh
Member
See this is the problem here... he already has been exposed as a troll and a racist/sexist and his book was number one a few weeks ago on Amazon.
So what? We keep giving him spaces to debate him? Until what exactly?
Also people need to learn about trolls it seems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg
This is what I'm most afraid of.
We need more than a fuck off this episode.
He needs to be eviscerated.
Raven117
Gold Member
Ha, well at least I laughed.
K, well not what I was really addressing, but alright.
And this exact response is why the alt-right likes this guy so much. You didn't respond to any of the other terrible things said, just the "GOTCHA! HE'S GAY WE HAVE A GAY ONE THAT MEANS WE'RE OK" trap.
Doc Holliday
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Guys, Bill Maher has had much worse on his TV show.
He also donated 1 million dollars to Obama
He's had prominent muslims before it was cool to do so
The White House has alt-right/Neo Nazis in it so I'd rather we focus on that. Bannon/Stephen Miller are Milo with power
He also donated 1 million dollars to Obama
He's had prominent muslims before it was cool to do so
The White House has alt-right/Neo Nazis in it so I'd rather we focus on that. Bannon/Stephen Miller are Milo with power
EdibleKnife
Member
Who said anything about hurting them? This is about denying a neo nazi a platform. And despite being from Germany, you do not have a monopoly on bigots, anti-Semites or dangerous genocidal ideals because they exist in a big and dangerous way here in the States. They've existed from the moment foreign boots landed hear and their ideals and actions are the actual deadly shit because they still warp, maim & kill people today so don't dare act like calling Milo what he is is somehow a call to rile up people's bloodlust. Blood is and has already been spent by the black, Hispanic, Jewish, trans, gay and female population of this country yet they seem to be the only ones brave enough to shut down rhetoric like Milo's rather than continue to tolerate and raise it up.
When will people learn that "destroying others in interview" does absolutely nothing and serves no one? We spent the whole election salivating over videos of trump surrogate take downs. They provided catharsis for sure, but at the end of the day all they did was give these people a platform to propagate their twisted propaganda. It created that sense of normalcy that we were all trying to stop.
ClosingADoor
Member
Nobody will be convinced by this. It's useless to debate people who are already so far gone. Target the ones you can reach instead.
Gentleman Jack
Member
I can understand the objection to what appears to be a dilution of the terms 'nazi' and 'neo-nazi' and agree that too often it's shorthand for people who barely (if at all) overlap with the beliefs espoused by ye olde Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
However, Milo has been exposed as a horrible racist, a homophobe, a transphobe, makes anti-semitic remarks on the regular and has taken up the 'fuck you immigrants' mantle. And he uses this platform to draw upon a seething army of internet psychopaths who await his next command to attack someone. So while it may seem lazy to resort to 'neo-nazi' instead of 'all around horrible person,' in this case I'm willing to give it a pass, because there is a lot of smoke there, even if he's not openly trying to invade poland.
Totally agree. I think people are vastly overstating Maher's prowess as this great deconstructionist interview. This is not Jon Stewart raking Crossfire over the coals. Milo knows what show he's going on; Maher, by his own admission, is less familiar with Milo. And given that there will be no panel for the segment to help challenge, I'm imagining Milo schmoozing Maher way more than I'm imagining Maher taking Milo down a peg or something.
Fat_Caddis
Member
See this interview as evidence that conventional debate is fruitless with this asshole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkrY6Ny7pMg
Now imagine him on Maher's show with no cuts to his indefensible retweets with condemning narration. There is a 100% chance of him making a fool of Maher. And I can't believe there are so few people here that can see this. It's frustrating.
Now imagine him on Maher's show with no cuts to his indefensible retweets with condemning narration. There is a 100% chance of him making a fool of Maher. And I can't believe there are so few people here that can see this. It's frustrating.
Sarcastic Poster
Member
He's a shithouse and a shill conservative troll, but not a neo-Nazi. Reserve that term for the scummiest of them.
And what would the benefit be of ignoring them? Would somebody like Ann Coulter just go away if Maher never invited her?
UltimaPooh
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It's not you have to do one or the other here... People can do both.
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