Glass Shark
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The Republican Party is ramming things through Congress and signing sweeping Executive Orders. Coercion is all they know. It's time to fight fire with fire.
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Milo Yiannopoulos's UC Berkeley speech cancelled due to protests, campus on lockdown
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Gordon Shumway
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This is a guy really proud of the magnifying glass he's holding to burn ants while not caring he's doing it in the middle of a highway.
no you didn't
Where is this enthusiasm for non-violence in the black person shot by cop threads? Funny how certain names can be found only in certain threads. The definition of violence does not cover just protesting alt right neo nazis throwing parties targeting and doxxing transgender students. It also covers mosque burnings, mosque shootings, muslims getting attacked in the streets of America, Muslim bans, black people getting shot by cops, black people being target and harassed daily by the police, Mexicans who have only ever known the US being deported to a country they don't know.
But no, cry me a fucking river for the occasional neo Nazi being smacked up. That's the the straw that broke the moderates back. The violence has been right fucking there all along, people just turning a blind eye to it intentionally or unintentionally. Doesn't matter which.
But no, cry me a fucking river for the occasional neo Nazi being smacked up. That's the the straw that broke the moderates back. The violence has been right fucking there all along, people just turning a blind eye to it intentionally or unintentionally. Doesn't matter which.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
So why is thread so long?
Seriously though, why on earth hasn't he been banned from university campuses already? These are supposed to be places of learning. All he provides is straight up lies, hate speech, harassment, and bullying. I'm all for honest, and civil discussion with various view points, but he clearly does not fall into this category. If you have such low standards on individuals that can come speak, it reflects badly on the image of your university imo. If you have set standards on your students, this should most definitely be the case with those that come to publically speak to them, if not more so.
Glass Shark
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The irony is that the very political correctness that shitheads like Milo whine about is what's causing universities (and apparently some people in this thread) to pull their punches when it comes to blocking facist, racist, and hateful speech.
Gordon Shumway
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Free speech is in danger. We must protect it from these hate mongers.
"moderate man".
People defending neo nazis
Frozenprince
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I expect to see all y'all in the next thread about a black 12 year old being shot and killed.
College Republicans are small fascists
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Oh well yeah, I mean who could argue with that, Milo is a terrible person.
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Do you honestly think people won't show up?
They a bunch of marks
Dubbedinenglish
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I'm sure you will under the "we need both sides of the story," "protesting this does nothing, wait for the justice system," "look he was no angel," "should've listened to the police," side of the thread.
BronsonLee
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I have no idea why anybody gives Milo the time of day anyways, I heard like five seconds of him talking and knew he was a fucking pillock
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Moderate Man is all about appeasement, believes things aren't so bad if we just listen to their points of view. Also given to espousing views such as "Nazism is just a political opinion".
OniBarubary
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Violence is just as an effective tool as any other and most of the idioms utilized to downplay it or dissuade people from using it come directly from those who used violence to acquire and remain in power to keep those they have power over from using those same tools and removing their power.
Media has consistently used this portrayal of violence as the last resort of the uncivilized to paint a very specific picture that keeps people from being able to enact change.
Read a book. Violence or the threat of violence has had a place and been a prime component of the reason change was enacted for any number of social movements or country defining changes (like maybe the Civil War?)
I do not believe for a single second that violence or violent protest or the threat of violence is inherently bad or ineffective. History indicates otherwise.
I am not advocating to go out and start shooting Trump supporters. I'm saying that when the rules of the game that everyone is supposed to abide by are being used against or not even being paid attention to by the other side, than you're an idiot for continuing to play by those rules.
Media has consistently used this portrayal of violence as the last resort of the uncivilized to paint a very specific picture that keeps people from being able to enact change.
Read a book. Violence or the threat of violence has had a place and been a prime component of the reason change was enacted for any number of social movements or country defining changes (like maybe the Civil War?)
I do not believe for a single second that violence or violent protest or the threat of violence is inherently bad or ineffective. History indicates otherwise.
I am not advocating to go out and start shooting Trump supporters. I'm saying that when the rules of the game that everyone is supposed to abide by are being used against or not even being paid attention to by the other side, than you're an idiot for continuing to play by those rules.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
aka people who crop into literally every single thread to defend the rights and profess the safety of modern day nazis but are suspiciously absent whenever minority rights are at risk.
Gordon Shumway
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mehrmantrout
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Pre 2016 i'd probably be in the camp of let them speak and they'll hang themselves by their own petard. But now, fuck them all
WaffleTaco
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I mean, some of those are valid points and it totally depends on the situation. For instance "cops shoot unarmed black child" is different than "cops shoot armed black teenager, who was not cooperating". But overall I agree with you.
Lol their points of view are literally hate speech. However I can see why someone would argue for it, if they were going at it from a constitutional stand point where hate speech is legal in some cases. I think the idea should be that just because it is legal, doesn't mean it should be and vice versa.
RPGCrazied
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This shit is not free speech, its hate speech while encouraging violence.
Django.Mango
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It happened at the University of Magdeburg in Germany. A big Antifa city btw plus big problems with afd.
http://www.op-marburg.de/Nachrichten/Panorama/Uebersicht/Studenten-stuermen-AfD-Vortrag-an-eigener-Uni
No one got hurt, but they wont come back that soon i think.
KoopaTheCasual
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Do you honestly think the guy arguing against calling Milo/Spencer a Nazi will show up?
His comment is directed at those people. You seem really level headed, and you've argued in a very constructive manner. Doubt anyone is talking about you.
Dylan Sexbang
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My only comment is when Milo singled out a trans student at UW Milwaukee and insulted them with their picture up in front of the entire crowd is when he should've just been barred from public speaking at universities. That's not free speech.
Glass Shark
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I meant, you can guarantee some people are going to show up and say "lets wait for the facts" or "he was no angel".
Everyone'll be there, they just won't be there for the same reason.
victreeb3l
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Yuuuuup
TestOfTide
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Those that were arguing in good faith like Boiler Goose will show up.
The people I was arguing with will either not show up or only show up to tell everyone more "both sides are being so extreme" bullshit.
KoopaTheCasual
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Oh god, how could I forget the "lets not jump to conclusions, even with all this evidence in my face" crowd. Makes me depressed just thinking about that.
Gordon Shumway
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Was there ever any doubt?:
Remember way back in the days of 2016.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/politics/donald-trump-nevada-rally-punch/
They could be stabbing you in the face and then try and ostracize you for pushing them away. That is in their playbook, they make no secret of it.
therealist
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Let him speak, let him say "good morning" if at any point in time his speech veers into hate, shut him down immediately and turn off his mic.
Django.Mango
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its sad and scary at once. Relativizing and banalizing.
One of my friends just tried defending Donald Trump's tweet by saying that them cancelling him is a violation of the rights of the students who paid for him to be there and therefore they have to have him if they want federal funding.
What. That's... that's not how it works, right?
What. That's... that's not how it works, right?
Invisible hand of the free market at work.
This is the kinda meat I wanna get into, no offense to anyone else. Clearly this single act against Milo and his cronies is excusable taken in a vacuum. Protest may lead to violent protest and should be handled by local law enforcement as needed. The end result either way was going to be Milo backing out so I think we can use this platform to talk about the philosophy of political violence as a tool for political and social change.
It's been quite some time in America since real leftist violence was happening due to political and/or social pressure, so this kind of reaction is new and scary for a good many people and especially so for a good many (white) liberals, which explains the reactions. In time most of that will fade I believe as the white-nationalist and neo-nazi movements become more active and vocal. White liberals will have to become less supine.
However I do take issue with what you said:
"I do not believe for a single second that violence or violent protest or the threat of violence is inherently bad or ineffective. History indicates otherwise."
I'm not sure you meant it, but I disagree that violence or the threat of violence is not inherently morally bad. We have to be relative about it. Violence has a baseline moral weight that can change depending on the perspective of the person (yes, I'm using special relativity as an allegory for violence). From the perspective of a trans woman having her dead name chanted by a group of Milo's thugs, violence is less morally wrong than it is from the perspective of white guy dean of not-giving-a-fuck, right? If the violence (in speech or action) is not directed toward you then we have to rely on empathy in order to step in and change a person's perspective.
So you get a bunch of people disconnected from the violence of Milo's rhetoric, they understandably can't fathom the violent reaction and condemn it. If someone came to their university or workplace and began violently haranguing them to the cheers of hundreds of their supposed peers, they'd certainly begin to understand the need for violent reaction.
How can we make them understand without this? Especially when Milo picks his target carefully so as not to alienate those with the most power?
I dunno. Tying the fundamental rights of the oppressed directly to the fundamental rights of the moderate observer doesn't seem to work. Empathy seems to only take one so far. Maybe liberals are doomed to repeat cycles of oppression and fascism leading to state collapse brought on by bad actors who have no problem employing violence toward violent and destructive ends?
Do we as liberals and progressives need to adopt similar violent and destructive ends? That'd be similar to early 20th century leftism, and it got some shit done I suppose. Can we accept the necessity of violence without losing virtue? I'm just rambling at this point, because I want a definitive answer even though there doesn't seem to be one.
Violence is inherently wrong, but sometimes that's outweighed by the need to violently react.
Yeah, I just read a post on Facebook calling Milo a "nice gay man with some valid opinions". They always, always, always bring up that he's gay like it's a magical get out of jail card.
And then they'll vote to take away the rights of their "nice gay man".
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When people hate against riots it's always the same excuses. It only makes people sympathize with the opposing side. What about all that property damage? Etc.
Some riots that gave positive changes to America
The Stonewall riots
King assassination riots
The Ferguson riots
The LA riots
The Kent state riots
Let's go really far back to the fucking "The Stamp Act riots of 1765" and you know what that started rolling the ball on right?
These are just a few more of the higher profile ones, but there's dozens more out there.
Some riots that gave positive changes to America
The Stonewall riots
King assassination riots
The Ferguson riots
The LA riots
The Kent state riots
Let's go really far back to the fucking "The Stamp Act riots of 1765" and you know what that started rolling the ball on right?
These are just a few more of the higher profile ones, but there's dozens more out there.
This would be the second time he's done this. The first time he stole a bunch of money and never gave out any scholarship funds.
See:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...poulos-takes-100-000-for-charity-gives-0.html
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