Miyamoto on using 2 controllers on Wii U

Oni Link 666 said:
Q: Will its internet connectivity be different to that on the last Wii?

We are designing it so you can connect it to the internet and it will have a lot more possibilities — it will be a lot more fun.

People do a lot of their web browsing individually, or they may look at their photos individually, but there are times when you'll be browsing and you want to show someone what you're looking at or you'll want to share your pictures with someone and I think this system will be handy for things like that and you'll be able to show people what you've been looking at and send that up to the TV screen. While they're looking at that you can continue searching and find the next thing you want to share with them.

Ok wait... so lets assume you've purchased a Wii U... and you want to browse the internet on your wii u controller and send it up to the TV...

what are the people going to be doing sitting next to you... they can't really watch TV cause you're using the Wii U.... so they are sitting there waiting for the next picture while you're browsing online? sounds like an answer that just came off the top of his head!
 
Jesus fucking Christ. They are "researching" whether more than one can be connected a single console?

What about people with two kids?

What about co-op?

What about all the fun party games they make?

We're supposed to use Wiimotes on their side for all these cases?
 
I don't really care much about no 2 WiiU controllers.
The 1st player is the one that "controls" everything anyway.

I don't see myself HAVING to have the second screen to check behind me in Mario Kart.
Maybe it'd be nice for FPSs or something of that nature, but I don't see it as a deal-breaker.

But not having a good online infrastructure would make this system flop out of the gate...
 
arbok26 said:
Ok wait... so lets assume you've purchased a Wii U... and you want to browse the internet on your wii u controller and send it up to the TV...

what are the people going to be doing sitting next to you... they can't really watch TV cause you're using the Wii U.... so they are sitting there waiting for the next picture while you're browsing online? sounds like an answer that just came off the top of his head!

They can either watch you surf the web on the big screen since it's probably displaying the same thing that's on your controller or they can switch the channel and watch something else. Didn't you watch the reveal trailer?
 
TekkenMaster said:
Didn't the president of EA announce it at Nintendo's press conference? He didn't go into any real detail but did say EA would handle the Wii U's online system.
I don't remember Riccitello stating it specifically. He talked about some kind of "breakthrough" in their relationship and partnership with Nintendo.
 
Seriously, Miyamoto is not the dude behind the online system, he probably doesn't have any idea what is going on with it.
 
Wolves Evolve said:
Jesus fucking Christ. They are "researching" whether more than one can be connected a single console?

What about people with two kids?

What about co-op?

What about all the fun party games they make?

We're supposed to use Wiimotes on their side for all these cases?
I think the bigger disappointment for me is that the controller can only be used in the same room as the console. After seeing the footage of being able to play the games on the controller, I envisioned being able to get in to bed to continue my game until the early hours. But it seems that's not possible - unless the console is in your bedroom (in which case you might as well use your TV!)
 
CoffeeJanitor said:
Maybe. My stance has history on it's side, though.


sadly yes. With psn and live, i don't see how nintendo could not do something similar on this go around.

at least at this point i can still dream of nintendo + valve creating a steam-like infrastructure for the WiiU. Too bad it'll wont happen. =(
 
Wolves Evolve said:
Jesus fucking Christ. They are "researching" whether more than one can be connected a single console?

What about people with two kids?

What about co-op?

What about all the fun party games they make?

We're supposed to use Wiimotes on their side for all these cases?


The system handles multiple Wiimotes, so obviously it's not as god-damn simple as "connect another one". There is clearly some technical limitation with something, probably the streaming that means it is difficult to get it working on multiple units (streaming HD video with minimal lag, likely using some non-standard wireless tech that is not great at handling multiple connections and so on). If it was something easy to do they would have said "yes, it will be capable of doing that". Nintendo wouldn't just go "OH, WE NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT. TWO CONTROLLERS? YES, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT THAT OR NOT".

Seriously.
 
Wolves Evolve said:
Jesus fucking Christ. They are "researching" whether more than one can be connected a single console?

What about people with two kids?

What about co-op?

What about all the fun party games they make?

We're supposed to use Wiimotes on their side for all these cases?
classic controller
 
Given Nintendo success with offline play, I am honestly shocked that getting multiple Wii U controllers to a single console was not among their first priorities.
 
Monty Mole said:
I think the bigger disappointment for me is that the controller can only be used in the same room as the console. After seeing the footage of being able to play the games on the controller, I envisioned being able to get in to bed to continue my game until the early hours. But it seems that's not possible - unless the console is in your bedroom (in which case you might as well use your TV!)

Honestly that was some ridiculous expectation you had there. How did you expect the console to efficiently stream such content over a relatively large distance?
 
Exuro said:
Yeah I'd say the question wasn't worded well. I don't think of online gaming when someone asks me about the internet.
I'd say you would when the question is in reference to a gaming system. I certainly don't think of browsing photos in the living room with my family, anyway.
 
Busaiku said:
Given Nintendo success with offline play, I am honestly shocked that getting multiple Wii U controllers to a single console was not among their first priorities.
I'm surprised at this as well. A lot of touchscreen implemented multiplayer games would have to be restricted to online play. Feels like they're missing out on potential game ideas, but I can understand if the streaming tech is too hard to work with multiple units. Sucks though.
 
Wow, it's looking really bleak for more than one controller per console. Can't believe it.

More and more it seems like:

Wii = something GAF doesn't like
Wii U = something no one will like
 
For those who can't fathom why he "dodged" the question? It's bad translation.

In Japanese, they make the distinction in their vocabulary between "internet" and "online" and they do not interchangeably refer to the same thing to most people. The "internet" is primarily a word used strictly for websites and information functionality. The word that the interviewer needed to use was "online" to get the answer he wanted.

Interviewer fail.
 
vicissitudes said:
Wow, it's looking really bleak for more than one controller per console. Can't believe it.

More and more it seems like:

Wii = something GAF doesn't like
Wii U = something no one will like
U will like it. It's for U. A Wii. For U.
 
Alrus said:
Honestly that was some ridiculous expectation you had there. How did you expect the console to efficiently stream such content over a relatively large distance?
Thanks to the Wii U Relay (sold separately).
 
If they can deliver on some kind of kick ass online then I don't care, I will just play online anyway. Hell, I only have one wii-mote right now and it's old as dirt and beat up.

I DID think it was strange that most all those "Mii Games" were based around "SEE HOW MUCH FUN IT CAN BE IF ONE PERSON HAS A CHEAP ADVANTAGE OVER EVERYONE BECAUSE THEY GOTZ REG CONTROLS?!?!?!".

Sigh ... looks like my GC Controls will be useless.

Anyway, hoping that they want there to be far more of a focus on Online if they want to make it so that you can only have one "WiiU" controller.

I hope they can find a way to make it so that you can use 2 at least. That could work when someone wants to come over and they have the system already. I wouldn't want to give up my WiiU controller just to go back to the Wiimote if i visit a friend. :/
 
The fact that they didn't spend at least 10 minutes at the conference saying "we know our online implementation so far has been terrible but that's all going to change because x,y and z" is basically all the proof we need that Nu's online functions are going to be woefully inadequate.
 
a176 said:
Only one controller per system is the dumbest shit ever
What would you use more than 1 for? What multiplayer would you be playing that required more than 1 that a Wiimote or Classic Controller wouldn't fulfill?

onken said:
The fact that they didn't spend at least 10 minutes at the conference saying "we know our online implementation so far has been terrible but that's all going to change because x,y and z" is basically all the proof we need that Nu's online functions are going to be woefully inadequate.
Except for, y'know, all the 3rd-party hint drops that it'll be infinitely better.
 
I'm astonished that Nintendo seem to think one (new) controller is going to be acceptable. Doesn't anybody there have children? The squabbling over who gets the screen will be apocalyptic.

Terrell said:
What would you use more than 1 for? What multiplayer would you be playing that required more than 1 that a Wiimote or Classic Controller wouldn't fulfill?
Is this a joke question?
 
from what i heard, online multiplayer is going to be left up to the publishers themselves, i can imagine having billions of logins for various games, disjointed services, sounds.....great... if true
 
SmokyDave said:
I'm astonished that Nintendo seem to think one (new) controller is going to be acceptable. Doesn't anybody there have children? The squabbling over who gets the screen will be apocalyptic.


Is this a joke question?
Name a multiplayer scenario that would require 2 independent tablet controllers. If you just need the joystick controls, they already HAVE that, it's called a Classic Controller.
 
acm2000 said:
from what i heard, online multiplayer is going to be left up to the publishers themselves, i can imagine having billions of logins for various games, disjointed services, sounds.....great... if true

That will sink the system if true.
 
Terrell said:
Name a multiplayer scenario that would require 2 independent tablet controllers. If you just need the joystick controls, they already HAVE that, it's called a Classic Controller.
wow, you are not a very imaginative person are you?
 
Terrell said:
Name a multiplayer scenario that would require 2 independent tablet controllers. If you just need the joystick controls, they already HAVE that, it's called a Classic Controller.

This is astonishingly bad faith, by the way. The inverse is; what games are NOT possible. Mario Kart on the Wii U with items and maps on the controller for four people is amazing and elegant and new and fresh. For one player with three others using regular Wiimotes? Absurd antisocial weirdness.

Think about this.
 
acm2000 said:
from what i heard, online multiplayer is going to be left up to the publishers themselves, i can imagine having billions of logins for various games, disjointed services, sounds.....great... if true

Is the "from what you heard" people speculating from that ubisoft roundtable?
 
Terrell said:
Name a multiplayer scenario that would require 2 independent tablet controllers. If you just need the joystick controls, they already HAVE that, it's called a Classic Controller.
Player 2 needs to do the same shit Player 1 is doing with the touchscreen. That's your scenario.
 
One *screen* controller per console, and the option of maybe 2 player when a friend brings around their own controller - is something I can maybe live with.

But in that case, what they need to do is release a controller without the screen, but with all of the buttons. The Classic Controller Pro isn't going to cut it for hardcore multiplayer titles... and from what we're reading, the new controller is as comfortable as the old Gamecube controller, whereas the CC Pro is cheap as fuck and about as comfortable as mangling my fingers with molten plastic. Okay, I'm over-exaggerating, but it's not as comfortable as it could be.

Developers will simply forgo local multiplayer on traditional games if there *aren't* good controllers to play them with.
 
Fuck, I swear, GAF is since Monday in annoying mode.

Nintendo showed they have 3rd parties on board, the big western guys, those guys WILL NOT, EVER develop in a console that doesn't offer proper online connectivity and necessary features.

Miyamoto won't disclose a fucking word about online because it's too soon.

jeeeesss....
 
Terrell said:
Name a multiplayer scenario that would require 2 independent tablet controllers. If you just need the joystick controls, they already HAVE that, it's called a Classic Controller.
I'm still not sure if you're serious. Can you honestly not see any potential in having a discrete screen for each player?

Can you see any potential in a single Wii-U controller? If so, double that potential.
 
Terrell said:
Name a multiplayer scenario that would require 2 independent tablet controllers. If you just need the joystick controls, they already HAVE that, it's called a Classic Controller.
I can see RTS titles being controlled well with the touch screen. Add local multiplayer and you'll need multiple tablets to play.
 
onken said:
The fact that they didn't spend at least 10 minutes at the conference saying "we know our online implementation so far has been terrible but that's all going to change because x,y and z" is basically all the proof we need that Nu's online functions are going to be woefully inadequate.
They also didn't go into detail about how much more powerful the system is compared to the HD twins or... really anything but the control.

I wouldn't put much thought into that.

I really think they showed this tooooo early. I mean ... fuck, at least show us an actual 1st party Wii u GAME. I would have been happy with a SSB4 trailer with a tiny bit of Gameplay based on past engines ... but all we got was a promise of a Wii u-3DS SSB4 thats gonna come out 2 - 4 Japan time years from now.

Actually,
I would have been happy had they said that the HD Zelda tech demo is actually a TP remake being done for the system release like OoT3ds and being made by an other dev team so that the Zelda guys don't have to be bothered with it and can just do their thing. That would have made my E3 ... but this is just meh
 
sphinx said:
Fuck, I swear, GAF is since Monday in annoying mode.

Nintendo showed they have 3rd parties on board, the big western guys, those guys WILL NOT, EVER develop in a console that doesn't offer proper online connectivity and necessary features.

Miyamoto won't disclose a fucking word about online because it's too soon.

jeeeesss....
EA would pleased as punch if Nintendo just allowed them to run their own walled garden online system. It's what they've been trying to get platform holders to do since the early days of XBL.
 
All this just sounds really weird. Why would they be able to use 3DSs and not more controllers? Is it because the 3DS has RAM and doesn't need to use as much bandwidth? Is it because the controller is too expensive? Is it because they don't think it's a good idea to take your controller to your friend's house?

Hopefully they can do whatever it is they need to do to get 4 player going.
 
SmokyDave said:
I'm astonished that Nintendo seem to think one (new) controller is going to be acceptable. Doesn't anybody there have children? The squabbling over who gets the screen will be apocalyptic.

Maybe their Families™ are all enjoying multiplayer experiences on the Microsoft Xbox 360 Kinect™
 
sphinx said:
jeeeesss....
Or because he knows that they can't compete with a XBL/PSN/STEAM.
They just do not have the knowhow.

And I think its not in nintendo's nature to create an XBL like environment for the entire platform.
Even though I bet if they wanted to, they could charge $50 and sell you mario avatar clones and make MILLIONS a year if the service was well made.
But that is not in nintendo's DNA, that is not something that Japanese people want and because nintendo (even though widely successful around the world) is still a Japanese company.
 
When the gaming world only had 1 screen (TV), people do not ask for another.

When the gaming world now has 2 screens (TV + Wii U controller), people ask for more.

Hey, leave Nintendo some room for improvement for the inevitable Wii U+.

But... seriously... with just that one additional screen on the controller it already opens up so much more possibility for 3/5 player games. I know having more than one Wii U controller will open up even more opportunities, but, let the developers think about games that uses one first, and then in the next-next gen, we can have more.

Or, think of the "positives" for you Nintendo haters - wait until PS4/XBOX720 for the inevitable imitation and support for 4 controllers.
 
Rhindle said:
EA would pleased as punch if Nintendo just allowed them to run their own walled garden online system. It's what they've been trying to get platform holders to do since the early days of XBL.

So would Activision. They can finally charge a monthly fee for COD.
 
Terrell said:
Name a multiplayer scenario that would require 2 independent tablet controllers. If you just need the joystick controls, they already HAVE that, it's called a Classic Controller.

have you ever play Zelda Four swords? Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicle? There's so much potential in coop games.

I was so hyped when I first saw the Wii U in the conference but now the hype is dead. So disappointed by Nintendo.
 
This is so crazy. Nintendo have prided themselves on local multiplayer superiority for years. The first to market with 4 controller ports, the amazing ergonomics of the Gamecube controller, connectivity experiments, GC controller use and the litany of great casual party games on Wii... I mean, they're really limiting themselves if they limit it to one controller.

This has got to be about controller cost and technical limitation. They're probably taking a bath just to produce one of these controllers per console, and are balking at the prospect of charging customers for an expensive controller when they've already made them buy nunchucks, extra remotes, wheels, zappers and balance boards...

Rendering to 2, 3 or 4 controllers is gonna be tougher on the system than just 1. With only one controller to worry about maybe this thing has its comfortable advantage over 360/PS3, but if they divert system resources to handling 3 or 4 of them, it might make the system look worse than it is.

Having thought about it, I honestly think 2 player is a minimum. I assume they're going to sell these things in stores, separately, otherwise - how would you buy one if your bundled controller broke? If they're in stores its going to give people the impression that multiplayer is possible. They should at least aim for 2 player.

And I still think they need to do a new classic controller with all of the new console's buttons and ergonomic charm. CC Pro is crap compared to dual shock and the 360 pad.
 
Terrell said:
Name a multiplayer scenario that would require 2 independent tablet controllers. If you just need the joystick controls, they already HAVE that, it's called a Classic Controller.

Zelda four swords?
 
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