Miyamoto on using 2 controllers on Wii U
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travisbickle
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The Wii1 controller is the superior controller for local multi-player; it's cheaper, easier to throw around, simpler to use, and there's 100 million+ of them sold already.
Having multiple WiiU controllers would be nice but it'd be expensive, also they are more cumbersome for frantic multi-play, and less casual-friendly.
The WiiU mote will become the personal mote to enhance one player experiences, and the shared (or unique player) mote to enhance multiplayer.
By shared mote I mean used by all players. For example, maybe FIFA could use it as a tactics tablet, place it on the coffee table, when you want to make a quick tactic change, you press on it and push your finger around a chalkboard drawing of the pitch to designate where players should move to.
I think when this thing is released and games like mario kart, FIFA and smash brothers come out for it, the WiiU controller will be the one people won't want to use for normal play.
I'm a big fan of the single unique controller for the system, I also believe Sony and MS will misguidedly release a system with multiple "unique" controllers and it will not succeed.
Having multiple WiiU controllers would be nice but it'd be expensive, also they are more cumbersome for frantic multi-play, and less casual-friendly.
The WiiU mote will become the personal mote to enhance one player experiences, and the shared (or unique player) mote to enhance multiplayer.
By shared mote I mean used by all players. For example, maybe FIFA could use it as a tactics tablet, place it on the coffee table, when you want to make a quick tactic change, you press on it and push your finger around a chalkboard drawing of the pitch to designate where players should move to.
I think when this thing is released and games like mario kart, FIFA and smash brothers come out for it, the WiiU controller will be the one people won't want to use for normal play.
I'm a big fan of the single unique controller for the system, I also believe Sony and MS will misguidedly release a system with multiple "unique" controllers and it will not succeed.
travisbickle said:
i need clarification so I know whether to laugh even harder then I already did
is this claiming that if Sony and MS consoles have the ability for their system to utilize more than one of their unique controllers at a time ("misguidedly", LMFAO) that it will fail?
I just....please confirm my interpretation is true. This will confirm this as the most hilarious comment of GAF 2011.
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Wait, what the hell is this? How is this not front page news with it's own thread?The Dutch Slayer said:
This basically kills the thing if the controller ever breaks(unless they've got a three year warranty or something ridiculous). This needs to be explained further. I don't see how this will work well for the masses at large at all.
Edit: The rep must have made a mistake or someone must've phrased the question in a weird way. This really does not make sense at all.
One main controller and a couple of remotes could work. Kids will kill each other to have the "best " controller, but that just adds to their fun. Like Amir0x, real gamers are forever alone and will not mind that there is only one main controller.
For the casuals this will still be the Wii, wont change how they play or what they play. They will be using Wimote, mainly, with games and maybe the touch screen on it's stand.
Yeah it looks rushed and half baked. Loads of details still up in the air.
For the casuals this will still be the Wii, wont change how they play or what they play. They will be using Wimote, mainly, with games and maybe the touch screen on it's stand.
Dabanton said:
Yeah it looks rushed and half baked. Loads of details still up in the air.
Vagabundo said:
The real determinate factor for the mainstream actually is whether the Wii U will be packing in another wiimote+nunchuck combo alongside the screen controller with every platform.
If not, that's dangerous territory for Nintendo. Nintendo has to make sure that developers can depend on every Wii U owner having a wiimote and getting the message across that the system demands multiple wiimotes for multiplayer or else they're in deep shit as the message is confusing enough as it is.
BocoDragon
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Wimote gameplay will be underutilized, and no it won't ship with the console.
daviyoung said:
They can hope whatever they want but if it's not packed in with the system developers will not utilize it most of the time. That's the historic fact, there has never been an exception.
The only even PARTIAL exception has been Kinect, and that isn't even half as confusing as the set up Nintendo has for Wii U.
travisbickle
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Amir0x said:
Hyperbolic, but I meant "misguidedly" as in they (Sony or MS) will be "guided" by internet forumers on games sites saying more unique controllers would be better, or by their own belief more is better....
then they release a console which is much more expensive than the WiiU and all developers can think to do with multiple touch screens is put items from the on-screen HUD onto them.
And I meant "fail" as in not be as successful as the WiiU. (I said not succeed you said fail)
Kind of like MS admiring Nintendo's delivery of popular simple gameplay by reducing the difficulty of controls and then spending time and money releasing Kinect.
Amir0x said:
I agree this will be their challenge. Maybe they will have an upgrade sku and a newbie sku.
I've a feeling that Nintenodo might mandate Wiimote controls as part of the certification. It is the only way to be sure. And I really hope they do, being stuck with a touch screena and dual analogue for fps's on the system would be hell for me.
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It really is.a176 said:
Coming from the Wii that was sold almost entirely on it's local multiplayer, and Nintendo complete over look it for the successor. Pathetic.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Can't they pack the controller with a game ala Wiiplay?
does anyone else think that the Tsunami/earthquake must have put nintendo's plans by good few weeks and hence half baked E3 or is the fact that they are trying to do too much with having 3DS and Wii U being worked on at the same time.
or alternatively they are using the whole E3 as a giant focus group.
or alternatively they are using the whole E3 as a giant focus group.
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Amir0x said:
They aren't selling the WiiU mote seperately, so the only way to play multi-player is by the extra players using a wii1mote.
BocoDragon
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As I said, I think this platform will be amazing for single player games...
But the multiplayer seems half-baked, using a maximum of 1 screen-controller. Choosing football plays? Nope. Only one person can (so therefore no one).
A lesser option of Wiimotes for player 2, 3, 4? Not everyone has those, and so devs won't use them....
And if the multiplayer is weak, then I feel the Wii U cannot be the "family board game" experience that the Wii was...
But the multiplayer seems half-baked, using a maximum of 1 screen-controller. Choosing football plays? Nope. Only one person can (so therefore no one).
A lesser option of Wiimotes for player 2, 3, 4? Not everyone has those, and so devs won't use them....
And if the multiplayer is weak, then I feel the Wii U cannot be the "family board game" experience that the Wii was...
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Most Japanese companies had weak showing which was underwhelming :/epaturun said:
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Did the people claiming this will be the death of local multiplayer actually watch the reveal video? So much of what was shown was local multiplayer. All this means is that there won't be local multiplayer where each player has their own personal screen. That obviously means there are things it's not going to be able to do that multiple new controllers would enable, but it's hardly a death knell for local multiplayer on the console.
BocoDragon
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We can only hope.Danthrax said:It'll become an online-only hardcore gamer paradise
Remotes, Nunchucks, Classic controllers. People picking up the system getting told it only supports one Wii U controller. What a mess.
The screen brings some nice posibilities, but seems to complicate something simple as a two player game of Fifa/Madden etc.
I think Nintendo has an uphill battle convincing everyone the controller has some actual use and they can deliver their franchises in next-generation fashion.
The screen brings some nice posibilities, but seems to complicate something simple as a two player game of Fifa/Madden etc.
I think Nintendo has an uphill battle convincing everyone the controller has some actual use and they can deliver their franchises in next-generation fashion.
Wolves Evolve
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I have a horrible feeling that the U - you focus of the conference was supposed to be their way of wrapping what is essentially a horrendous crippling flaw as a positive.
Madden 13 on the Wii U! Play with your friends, have a party! One of you can have a screen! Wait.. what? Unless they are going to continue to sell the different experiences on one console thing. It seems very un-casual and very anti-social.
Madden 13 on the Wii U! Play with your friends, have a party! One of you can have a screen! Wait.. what? Unless they are going to continue to sell the different experiences on one console thing. It seems very un-casual and very anti-social.
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Vagabundo said:
I doubt they'll mandate anything regarding Wiimote control options. For single-player, everyone will have a Wii U, and for multi, it'll be clear you need a remote because those are the only extra controllers sold in stores.
As for FPS, I agree 100%. Optimistically, at least Treyarch has all the code for Wii controls ready to go. They just have to bring them over and potentially share them with the other Activision/CoD devs.
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Having a bunch of different controller types that you have to buy separately will be the worst decision nintendo has ever made
I'm 25 and rent a flat, with a HD TV all to myself...so uh, no.
That said though, if Wii U does get some killer apps worth buying the system for, it would be nice to get "up close and personal" with a game while lying in my bed. It might also be good to be able to watch a DVD or browse the net, on my main TV while playing a game.
That said though, if Wii U does get some killer apps worth buying the system for, it would be nice to get "up close and personal" with a game while lying in my bed. It might also be good to be able to watch a DVD or browse the net, on my main TV while playing a game.
Napoleonthechimp
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That would depend on the game. I'm not a developer so I won't waste my time designing it.mclem said:
AMD is part fo the Wireless Gigabit Alliance. I wonder if they are using something based on that tech.
It has a max theoretical BW of 7Gbits/sec. 1080p@60 would give you around 2Gbits/sec per handheld. Even though the touch screen is sub 1080 lets say there is some overhead and keep it at 2Gbits/s.
There should be room for three or four controllers with no reduction in resolution, as long as the WiiU could output those streams.
I wonder what technical problems they are having that they don't want to support multiple controllers.
It has a max theoretical BW of 7Gbits/sec. 1080p@60 would give you around 2Gbits/sec per handheld. Even though the touch screen is sub 1080 lets say there is some overhead and keep it at 2Gbits/s.
There should be room for three or four controllers with no reduction in resolution, as long as the WiiU could output those streams.
I wonder what technical problems they are having that they don't want to support multiple controllers.
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There is a way around it for that situation - the pad is passed between the players so they can make their play.kirblar said:
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I think I'm just going to do dark at this point. It just seems like Nintendo is not sure of the direction they are headed themselves and any further attention they get cements it further and further.
It might be best to give them until TGS because they're scrambling like never before. The way the Wii was presented was cool and collected, but this is just something else...
If third party games almost exclusively focus on a single dual analog tablet controller that is not replaceable I expect a disaster of proportions that would make Sony's $599 look like small fry if anything goes wrong...
It might be best to give them until TGS because they're scrambling like never before. The way the Wii was presented was cool and collected, but this is just something else...
This is seriously one of the biggest hardware details they could release at this point. I may want this more than the hardware specifications.Amir0x said:
If third party games almost exclusively focus on a single dual analog tablet controller that is not replaceable I expect a disaster of proportions that would make Sony's $599 look like small fry if anything goes wrong...
Can GAF please agree on what confirmed means? Here's a few suggestions from various dictionaries.CoffeeJanitor said:
Confirmed:
- made certain as to truth, accuracy, validity, availability, etc.
- settled; ratified.
- firmly established
- not changeable or subject to change
- having been established or made firm
- being firmly settled
- having been ratified; verified.
I've seen the word "confirmed" thrown around GAF so much that I'm beginning to mentally replace it with "LOL". Instead of "confirmed" meaning one of the above it's starting become a meme and/or troll like "FAIL" or "Believe".
BTW, I'm not calling CoffeeJanitor a troll or saying the WiiU's online won't be crap.
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The whole idea of a unique controller in multiplayer situations, while great for Nintendo's tech demos and specific design, but you can forget basically any local multiplayer for mainstream game design. As I said before, the idea of Mario Kart with one screen and three remotes.. doesn't sound like fun. At all.
I think it can. I'm thinking it's both a cost issue and a programming one. You wouldn't be able to pick who gets the TV screen for example. What happens if both of you want to play on the controller screen and the system has to show both perspectives?Napoleonthechimp said:
I've been stewing over this for a couple of days now and each day I grow less concerned about it, but that could be because I wasn't getting two controllers anytime soon anyway.
I like the idea of using the DS though as the next best option for some applications.
Rhindle said:
I got in a tiff in an earlier thread about this. Third parties really do want their own online portals. Desperately. They see gold in this. I firmly believe Nintendo is desperate enough that they'll court third party support by allowing them to bring their own online systems without restrictions. That means EA games will use Origins. Ubisoft will use uPlay. Valve (if it did release anything) will use Steamworks. Etc.
gutter_trash
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doesn't all this defeat the purpose of the original Wii? (about having onlyone Wii U padmote)
households of multiple kids will fight each other to play and they will fight
households of multiple kids will fight each other to play and they will fight
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or they (families) could just stick to the original Wii with multiple Wii-motesAlextended said:
JakkuFurosu
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The fuk...???
No second controller.....I would really try to get that in there ninty.....no seriously
No second controller.....I would really try to get that in there ninty.....no seriously
I think the system can let you technically, but it would require the developers to be told they could before they implement it. 2 to 3 years after launch when the controllers are cheaper to manufacture, I bet they allow it.Door2Dawn said:
I suppose you could also use on WiiU controller across multiple players like the Wii allowed.
Dynamite Shikoku said:
I don't think it will even come close to the mistake of making a cartridge system in the N64 era when they should have used CDs. Probably doesn't match all the marketing misfires with the gamecube either.
This sucks, but it won't be a disaster. Local multiplayer can still be handled with people using classic controllers (or some device with a similar button layout). If they choose to pack a wiimote/nunchuck in, or some kind of modified classic controller for multiplay game, it may not hurt them at all.
If they do a good online system for the console, it won't be crippling at all.