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MLB '12-'13 OffSeason OT: Magic is the New Market Inefficiency

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Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
braves were willing to trade Prado after determining his asking price for multi-year ext. was $11M-$12M annually, higher than they would go
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ugh that is a bargain
 
T

The Frankman

Banned
Mets get Shaun Marcum? Not bad. Fastball-cutter-changeup-junkball pitcher who pitches to contact and doesn't crack 90 anymore, he'll be fun to use in The Show.
Dmncnby2k9 said:
John Harper of NYDN is reporting that the Mets are trying to get protection for their first round pick. They are arguing they should get the protection due to the fact they finished with a bottom 10 record. Mets have the 11th pick because the Pirates were awarded the 9th pick since they did not sign Appel. Top 10 picks r protected. If pick gets protected, Mets would be in for Bourn.
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Makes sense. But the only way the Mets are getting in this is if he accepts a 1 year deal.
Doytch said:
Understatement of the century.
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Meanie.

EDIT: See ya later Prado! The last of the Atlanta Metkillers is gone from Atlanta.
 
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Talon

Member
I guess Jason hits second now?

Simmons - L
Heyward - L
Upton - R
McCann - L
Uggla - R <---assuming he gets his shit together
Freeman - L
Upton - R
Johnson/Francisco - R/L
 
W

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
Espn burn. At the end of their segment they said something like "I hope Atlanta fans can enjoy this after watching the falcons lose"
 
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Talon

Member
Windu said:
Espn burn. At the end of their segment they said something like "I hope Atlanta fans can enjoy this after watching the falcons lose"
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Eat a bag of dicks, Mickey Mouse!

What asshole signed this TV contract? He should be tarred and feathered.
 
E

Enron

Banned
Prado noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I think the deal's ok though. The Braves kept Teheren and J.R.

Will miss Prado but gotdamn that OF.
 
R

RBH

Member
Talon said:
Eat a bag of dicks, Mickey Mouse!

What asshole signed this TV contract? He should be tarred and feathered.
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McGuirk said the Braves current TV deal was negotiated by Turner Broadcasting, which became part of Time Warner in 1996 when it purchased Ted Turner’s Turner Broadcasting System in a deal that included the Braves. TBS once carried all the Braves’ games, and a portion of games were still being carried on Turner South when it was sold to Fox in 2006, which changed Turner South’s name to SportSouth.

The Braves’ current TV deal covers all local-rights broadcast entities – Fox Sports South, SportSouth and Peachtree TV, owned by Turner Broadcasting.

“I’m not exactly sure whose final hands were on [the deal], but I’m pretty sure,” said McGuirk, who worked 35 years at TBS, rising to the rank of CEO from 1996-2001. “I think the guy is no longer with the company.... And I don’t know that it serves any purpose to put a bull’s eye on somebody.

“It was done simultaneously [when the team was being sold to Liberty]. It was to Turner’s advantage, obviously, to do it that way. They were parting with the team and they were able to structure a long-term relationship with Fox. If there was no deal it was far better for the team. But it is what it is. [The team] was bought with that in place. I know enough about the media business, I knew what we were working with and I just knew, that with the fullness of time, all these other elements of the [Braves] business were going to have to be stronger to compete.”
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http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/braves-ceo-says-tv-deal-isnt-crippling/nTyd4/
 
W

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
Chris Johnson is somehow making over 2 million. So with the addition of Upton and Johnson minus Prado I estimate the Braves have a little over 9 million to spend assuming the 98 mil figure was correct that we heard awhile back.

Edit: the real question is who will bring out the victory dirt?
 
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Friggz

Member
Braves have the uptons and heyward through 2015. that will probably be before kimbrel starts to fade, hudson retires, and mccann is toast. they have a 3 year window to win a champioship.
 
W

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
dave cameron said:
The Diamondbacks have traded Justin Upton again. This time, he’s actually going away. After he rejected a deal to Seattle, they’ve found a new trade partner in the Atlanta Braves, and have crafted a pretty interesting deal that isn’t at all similar to the one they previously tried to make.

In exchange for Upton and third baseman Chris Johnson, the Diamondbacks reportedly are going to receive Martin Prado, Randall Delgado, Nick Ahmed, Zeke Spruill, and Brandon Drury. While they previously tried to trade him for a high risk/high reward pitching prospect and a middle infielder who is probably a year away from the big leagues, this trade doesn’t really make the Diamondbacks that much worse in 2013, and appears to be more of a win-now kind of trade.

With Prado, the Diamondbacks finally get the third baseman they’ve been looking for, and a pretty good one at that. No, he’s not going to repeat the +6 WAR season he put up last year, which was driven by an outlier UZR, but he’s got a nice base of skills that should allow him to remain an above average player. He makes a ton of contact and has some pull power that should play well in Arizona, and he’s probably at least an average defender at third base. In his career, Prado has averaged +3.4 WAR per 600 PA — exactly the same mark that ZIPS projected for Upton this year, by the way — and at age 29, he shouldn’t be in for a huge drop-off. The D’Backs probably get an equivalent upgrade at third base to the downgrade they’ll receive in the outfield, and then they also get some more pitching depth and three prospects of some value.

From just a 2013 perspective, this deal probably doesn’t move the needle that much. Both teams received one above average player, and no one else in the deal is likely to make a huge impact at the big league level this year. It’s the years after this one that will determine whether this trade was worth it for both sides.

Prado’s a free agent at the end of the season, and he’s not that different a player from Shane Victorino. Coming off a pretty poor season, Victorino just got 3/39 from the Red Sox. If Prado has a better walk year campaign, he could easily top that, especially considering that the market for available hitters next year is pretty weak. And, of course, if Arizona can’t re-sign him, then Prado simply represents a future draft pick in compensation, and the headliner in the deal becomes Randall Delgado, who is not exactly Taijuan Walker. Even with the extra value teams are placing on draft picks these days, the four prospects in the deal aren’t enough to justify trading away Justin Upton’s age 26 and 27 seasons. For Arizona, this deal likely hinges on re-signing Prado before he hits the free market.

Whether or not that’s possible, we won’t know for a while. But, Arizona’s a pretty nice place to hit, and by making this kind of move, the D’Backs are probably still going to put a good team on the field in 2013. Their pitching is deep and strong, and now they’ve filled their biggest weak spot on the field. Their outfield is now more of a collection of decent players than a huge strength, but their position players should be good enough to keep them competitive, and the pitching might be able to carry the day. The combination of a winning team and a nice ballpark to hit in could convince Prado to re-sign before hitting free agency, and if they can get him signed to a reasonable extension, then this will probably be a move worth making for Arizona.

The calculus is a little different for Atlanta. They almost certainly weren’t going to re-sign Prado after this season, so this is a choice of a three year asset over a guy they saw as a rental. And, it’s also an upside play, as Prado at his best still isn’t as good as Upton at his best, and Upton’s heading into his prime, rather than out of it. While ZIPS mean projection for Upton is +3.4 WAR for 2013, there’s still a decent chance he just goes off and has another +6 WAR season, turning into the superstar that most people believe he can become. With Upton, the Braves are buying upside and team control, and it’s not costing them pieces of their organization that were considered parts of the core going forward.

However, I’m not sure how much better this makes Atlanta in the short term. Prado was likely going to replace Chipper Jones at third base, but now they’re set to have 3B result in a Juan Francisco/Chris Johnson platoon of some sort, which isn’t exactly a stellar combination for a playoff contender. And, as Arizona found out this winter, there aren’t exactly a ton of available third baseman on the market, so turning around and making a follow-up trade to address that problem isn’t quite as simple as it might sound.

But, given the extra two years of team control and Upton’s potential for stardom, this is probably still a move worth making. They consolidated talent into one more valuable asset, and while it costs them depth in the process, mid-level prospects are easier to replace than high quality outfielders under team control through their age 27 season.

Overall, I expect that the sentiment on this trade is going to be mostly pro-Atlanta, as they get the big name player in exchange for an underrated high contact/gap power guy and a group of unexciting prospects, but I think this trade works for both sides. Arizona turns an outfielder into a third baseman, and given their depth at both positions, they’re probably not much worse off in the short term, plus they get some future value in the prospects to offset the chance of losing Prado after the season. Atlanta turns some pieces they didn’t necessarily see as foundational to their future into one big piece, and get to bet on both Uptons living up to their potential as teammates.

I don’t like how Arizona handled Upton’s situation over the last few years, and I don’t know that I agree with their desire to trade away a 25-year-old who is still one of the game’s best outfielders, but despite all the talk about the public nature of the rumors destroying his trade value, Arizona did okay here. They’ll probably come out on the short end of the stick if they can’t re-sign Prado, but now they get eight months to try, and they keep a competitive team together for the upcoming season as well.

Win-win trades aren’t that common in baseball anymore. From my perspective, this appears to be one of the rare instances where both teams made a good deal.
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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/braves-acquire-justin-upton/
 
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yankeehater

Member
nemss said:
Looks like the Braves gave up a lot, but that division still belongs to the Nats.
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I dont believe that at all. Lets see how the Nats handle the pressure of being expected to win. Also injuries are something you cant account for. Nats might look the best on paper but that doesnt mean a thing once they start playing games for real.
 
C

cashman

Banned
The Diamondbacks

Downgraded from Bauer to Delgado
Downgraded from Upton to Ross
Have the killer combo of Didi Gregorious and Cliff Pennington at short
Have Heath Bell to shore up their bullpen
And get Prado for one year


What an offseason.
 
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Mr. Enigma

Member
yankeehater said:
Hopefully Prado doesnt resign with the DBacks and the Phils can get him in the offseason.
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Friggz

Member
prado was an above average player but hardly a star. the braves made out very well in this deal. infact between arizonas haul for upton and bauer, i would be underwhelmed if i were an arizona fan.

besides, werent the braves on the verge of trading delgado for a 3 month rental of dempster?
Upton is a 25 year old stud that hasnt hit his prime yet.
 
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