vas_a_morir
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Maybe they do legit transactions to cover their asses?
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MLB '12-'13 OffSeason OT: Magic is the New Market Inefficiency
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Maybe they do legit transactions to cover their asses?
That's an optimistic outlook that I hadn't considered... I don't really believe it, but it'll give me something to cling to during the court proceedings I guess :|
vas_a_morir
Banned
It doesn't matter, really. The Giants won their division with the known help of steroids, but they celebrate just the same. They don't strip titles in MLB, so if the Nats win, nobody will care if their players cheated to get there.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
So when is Bautista getting busted?
yankeehater
Member
Yes it definitely would invalidate everything he said. I hope they can nail him for it and that this completely kills his HoF chances. Does anyone know how a suspension would work for a player that is already on the DL? Would MLB wait until he is healthy to suspend him, or would they do it now when he cant play anyway?
I second this.
im fine with you being a yankeehater as your name implies, but try using your head.
arod not making the hall of fame would be as ridiculous as bonds and clemens not making it. they should walk in. they are the best players of this/last generation.
Didn't you guys lock up the NL East already or something?
That would make way too much sense to be true.
Ladies and gentlemen, all six of Rod Barajas' caught stealing plays in 2012 (out of 99 attempts), including one blown call and two plays that didn't even involve him.
April 13, Nate Schierholz
April 30, Michael Bourn (blown call)
July 6, Justin Christian
July 13, Nyjer Morgan
August 5, Ryan Ludwick (didn't even involve Barajas)
August 27, Jon Jay (didn't even involve Barajas)
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CriginsMcJuggs
Member
awwww, Gio...
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Dat K/BB improving PED.
It's not like Gio is a soft tosser.
Suspend them all! Off with their heads!
from what I have read everyone is proclaiming the nats east champs (as well as the gm proclaiming them to be nl champs). Understandable though since they probably are the better team.
You'd think that Caminiti or a number of other players who have said that they hit the ball a hell of a lot better using PEDs would be enough evidence.
amishpriest99
Member
It's better than the block C the Indians use, for certain. That's about as generic as it gets.
yankeehater
Member
I dont think Bonds or Clemen should get in either, and I hate all players that use PEDs. I would want Arod banned from the HoF no matter what team he played for.
captmcblack
Member
Assuming this PED list thing is a current/new list, I wonder if A-Rod being on it and getting caught in a lie would allow the Yankees to void the rest of his contract?
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
They should replace Taft with Nixon since they're all a bunch of cheaters anyway.
yankeehater
Member
I know the Falcons were able to get back all the money that they paid Vick due to him violating the character clauses in his contract, do baseball contracts have similar clauses?
Considering the number of things baseball players do that demonstrably have no effect on their actual performance that they swear by, I wouldn't trust a single word out of most players' mouths. We need a guy like Chipper to come clean and then maybe we'll get some factual evidence.
(Not saying there's no effect, to be clear... just that I think it's a lot less than most people perceive it to be. Especially with HGH).
yankeehater
Member
For 1 it is cheating and directly affects what happens on the field. 2, it sends a terrible message to young players that are coming up. 3, one of the big charms of baseball is looking at stats and trying to compare different players and now you really cant do that anymore since a huge amount of players have been caught doing this. Look at the outrage of Lance Armstrong, that is a much less popular sport and a solo one at that, and people are still really pissed off that he cheated and lied about it.
Or, hell, Tennis straight-up bans people for two years when they're caught with HGH.
Tennis's testing policy is notoriously lax though.
So I guess the jump in slugging for a few years isn't proof?
Or the fact that Clemens was still reaching the mid-90s in his 40s.
So was Nolan Ryan, I suppose he was juicing too? Hell, Wagner retired still throwing 97, didn't he? IIRC there were some studies that showed that anabolic steroids should have actually decreased career longevity for pitchers, too...
Again, I'm not saying there was no effect. Clearly, the development of bigger muscles helps you launch the ball further. But the pattern of development for muscles when using anabolic steroids is such that it mostly affects the upper body--the amount that these players were adding to their lower bodies, which generate most of the power in baseball, is probably not high enough to completely explain the jump in production. Nor is it clear that players whose pitch selectivity improved (Bonds, anyone?) were doing it by the power of PEDs alone. And if the pitchers were all juicing too, and it actually helped them, why is it that velocities were considerably lower in the '90s than they are today? Why were hitters teeing off them? What I am saying is that there are really good reasons, both scientific and historical, to doubt that steroids were the only factor in the inflated run environment of the '90s and you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to at least have some skepticism in the popular narrative.
Well nobody in here has ever said, "CLEMENS WOULD HAVE BEEN ORDINARY WITHOUT STEROIDS" or nonsense like that.
I think the huge disparity in just raw HR numbers in this era compared to the late 90s is pretty telling. The quality of young pitchers we've had come up in the last three or four years probably is a factor in all that, but it's also impossible to say whether hitters were just ahead of the pitchers in the 90s.
All that said, it makes Pedro's numbers like 10x more staggering.
Now where will I get my fix of actual evidence-based analysis?
I hope they put him in charge of web design
Fuck. First the Astros take away up and in podcast and now the cubs take away the book blog.
yankeehater
Member
Hopefully it works out for them. I got my Eagles season tickets coming off a 3-13 season, and people thought I was nuts, but 2 years later they were in the playoffs.
amishpriest99
Member
If this all sticks to Arod he won't be getting in anyway.
Because the media is leading them to believe it's an important issue. In reality, it's just a good story to bridge the dead air.
yankeehater
Member
LOL. This has nothing to do with the media. Even in sports with faaaaaaar less media coverage they are still enacting tough rules against PEDs. You might not think it is a big issue, for obvious reasons, but for a lot of people it is a huge deal.
Yeah, a big deal for soccer moms and boring sports fans.
yankeehater
Member
Yeah nothing more exciting then watching Sammy Sosa hit pop-ups off the end of his bat for homeruns.
...yeah, whatever that means.
Ninja Scooter
Member
The fact that no Mariners ever show up on these lists is probably why they suck. Goddamnit Hack Z trade Felix for some HGH.
ConradCervantes
Banned
Still holding out for Griffey!