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MLB '12-'13 OffSeason OT: Magic is the New Market Inefficiency

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harSon

Banned
Sanjuro said:
No, I'M glad we're getting something.
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We'll see.

Hanrahan was straight garbo last season, and is a glaring example of why saves is such a retarded metric to judge a closer by. And the window on a closer is typically short lived. They rarely if ever bounce back once they begin to regress.
 
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Sanjuro

Member
harSon said:
We'll see.

Hanrahan was straight garbo last season, and is a glaring example of why saves is such a retarded metric to judge a closer by. And the window on a closer is typically short lived. They rarely if ever bounce back once they begin to regress.
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I went to Melancon's finest outing last year.

0.0 Innings Pitched = 6 Earned Runs. He had a another couple outings similar as well.

I'll take an effective pitcher over that any day.
 
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harSon

Banned
Sanjuro said:
I went to Melancon's finest outing last year.

0.0 Innings Pitched = 6 Earned Runs. He had a another couple outings similar as well.

I'll take an effective pitcher over that any day.
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http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/2012/12/23/3797130/mark-melancon-pirates-red-sox-joel-hanrahan

Have you seen Hanrahan's stats before we traded for him in 2009? He's going to be 32, and his velocity and accuracy took a huge hit all of last season. As I said, closers typically have an extremely small window, and it's likely that that Hammers is hit the sack permanently.

I personally think the players will be mediocre for both teams, but I give the edge to the Pirates since we were able to get a decent sized contract (for us) off our hands.
 
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Dmncnby2k9

Banned
This was featured on the back of the NY Daily News today. Im gonna miss this guy. RA is one of a kind. U better treat him well Toronto!!

nydailynews.com said:
A little over a year ago I was knocking around book titles with my publisher when we finally found a keeper. The minute I heard the words, “Wherever I Wind Up,” I liked the cadence of them. I liked the mystery of them.

Most of all, I liked the way they captured the essence of my nomadic pitching life — which has now taken another completely unforeseen turn.

I never expected to be writing a farewell “holiday card” to Mets fans. I never expected to be doing anything but celebrating the joy of the season with my wife and kids and looking toward the spring, and the start of my fourth season with an organization that gave me maybe the greatest gift an athlete can get:

A chance.

A chance for a fresh start. A chance to prove that maybe I could be somebody on a big league mound, an authentic and trustworthy pitcher, not just a retread with a weird name and an even weirder pitch — a man who was so in need of financial stability that he had to get talked out of taking a guaranteed contract to go pitch in Korea.

The Mets gave me that chance almost exactly three years ago, and I will always be grateful to them for that. Only God could’ve written the narrative that has played out in the three years since. That is what I want to focus on, and what I want to hold in my heart.

I am not going to lie to you, though. The trade was hard for me at first. This is where my heart was, where I wanted to be, where I lived out a story of redemption and felt that every one of you shared it with me in some form or fashion. I loved pitching for you. I loved your passion, the way you embraced me from the start, and the way you seemed to appreciate the effort I was putting forth. Every time I’d walk off the mound after an outing, I’d look in your faces, the people behind the dugout, and felt as if all your energy and support was pouring right into me — even when I was lousy. It gives me chill bumps thinking about it even now.

Every organization has to do what it feels is in its best interest, and I have no doubt that that’s what the Mets did by trading Josh Thole, Mike Nickeas and me for two young players who, by all accounts, are terrific prospects. It doesn’t make saying goodbye any easier.

From the beginning of last season to the end — when you cheered with all you had that Thursday afternoon when I won my 20th game — I felt that this was a shared journey, that we were all in it together. What a great way for an athlete to feel.

There were so many special relationships I formed that made my time with the Mets so much richer. Not just in the clubhouse, either. I enjoyed talking with Bill Deacon, the head groundskeeper, about his craft, and all that went into it. The security people who helped my wife and kids get in and out of the family lounge, the policemen who helped me get out of the parking lot, the folks at the Hodges Gate — so many people went out of their way to be kind to me, and they should know how much it was, and is, appreciated.

I was going to take out an advertisement to express these thank yous, but decided in the end that there was too much I wanted to say. So I am writing this instead.

As I move beyond the sadness over leaving here, I know I have a tremendous amount to look forward to. The Blue Jays may need name tags on the first day of spring training, but once we get acquainted, well, this team could be something. I appreciate the welcome I’ve already gotten from them, and what they’re trying to build. We’ll see how it all unfolds.

God has blessed me in so many ways. His grace and mercy are at the center of my life. I may not pitch for the home team anymore (a friend told me I now have to start calling myself a Canuckleball pitcher ) but wherever I go from here — wherever I might wind up in the future — I hope you know that I will never forget my three years in New York, and never be able to adequately thank you for everything you’ve given me.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...arewell-mets-article-1.1225987#ixzz2FvLIgFa4]
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Sanjuro

Member
harSon said:
http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/2012/12/23/3797130/mark-melancon-pirates-red-sox-joel-hanrahan

Have you seen Hanrahan's stats before we traded for him in 2009? He's going to be 32, and his velocity and accuracy took a huge hit all of last season. As I said, closers typically have an extremely small window, and it's likely that that Hammers is hit the sack permanently.

I personally think the players will be mediocre for both teams, but I give the edge to the Pirates since we were able to get a decent sized contract (for us) off our hands.
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That's usually not an issue for pitchers.

Trade works for me. We basically swapped a guy who is proven to be a bust at Fenway for someone who can potentially be effective in the 8th/9th inning. This is unless that other mystery player proves to be someone notable.
 
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Mr. Enigma

Member
WEEK IN REVIEW (courtesy of MLBTradeRumors)

  • The Blue Jays and Mets completed a seven-player trade. The Blue Jays acquired R.A. Dickey, Josh Thole, and Mike Nickeas. The Mets acquired John Buck and prospects Travis d'Arnaud, Noah Syndergaard, and Wuilmer Becerra. Also, the Blue Jays signed Dickey to a 2-year, $26 million contract extension with a $12 million club option for 2016.
  • The Angels and Mariners completed a two-player trade. The Angels acquired Jason Vargas. The Mariners acquired Kendrys Morales.
  • The Athletics and Mets completed a two-player trade. The Athletics acquired Jefry Marte. The Mets acquired Collin Cowgill.
  • The Pirates and Red Sox are working on a six-player trade that is not expected to be completed until after Christmas. The Pirates would acquire Mark Melancon, Stolmy Pimentel, Jerry Sands, and a fourth player. The Red Sox would acquire Joel Hanrahan and a second player.
  • The Tigers signed Anibal Sanchez to a 5-year, $80 million contract that includes a $16 million club option for 2018.
  • The Cubs signed Edwin Jackson to a 4-year, $52 million contract.
  • The Diamondbacks signed Cody Ross to a 3-year, $26 million contract that includes a $9.5 million club option for 2016.
  • The Giants signed Santiago Casilla to a 3-year, $15 million contract with a $5 million club option for 2016.
  • The Pirates signed Francisco Liriano to a 2-year, $12.75 million contract.
  • The Phillies signed Mike Adams to a 2-year, $12 million contract with a $6.5 million club option for 2015.
  • The Cubs signed Carlos Villanueva to a 2-year, $10 million contract.
  • The Red Sox signed Stephen Drew to a 1-year, $9.5 million contract with $0.5 million worth of incentives.
  • The Rangers signed A.J. Pierzynski to a 1-year, $7.5 million contract.
  • The Indians signed Mark Reynolds to a 1-year, $6 million contract with $1.5 million worth of incentives.
  • The Brewers signed Tom Gorzelanny to a 2-year, $5.75 million contract.
  • The Red Sox signed Koji Uehara to a 1-year, $4.25 million contract.
  • The Twins signed Mike Pelfrey to a 1-year, $4 million contract.
  • The Rays signed Roberto Hernandez to a 1-year, $3.25 million contract with $1.85 million worth of incentives.
  • The Astros signed Carlos Pena to a 1-year, $2.9 million contract.
  • The Marlins signed Placido Polanco to a 1-year, $2.75 million contract.
  • The Mariners signed Raul Ibanez to a 1-year, $2.75 million contract.
  • The Cubs signed Nate Schierholz to a 1-year, $2.25 million contract with $0.5 million worth of incentives.
  • The Astros signed Jose Veras to a 1-year, $2 million contract.
  • The Phillies signed John Lannan to a 1-year, $2 million contract.
  • The Rockies signed Jeff Francis to a 1-year, $1.5 million contract with $1.5 million worth of incentives.
  • The Indians signed Scott Kazmir to a minor league contract with an invite to spring training.
  • The Mariners signed Jeremy Bonderman to a minor league contract with an invite to spring training.
  • The Twins signed Rich Harden to a minor league contract with an invite to spring training.

 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Dominican Power said:
He hasn't done shit in the post season. He has plateaued with The Yankees.
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It really takes a certain amount of hubris to just assume you'll be back in the postseason, especially in the AL East.

The Yankees let their 2nd most productive from last season hitter walk away for a totally reasonable contract (and looks better when compared to other OF deals like Victorino and Hamilton) and really did nothing to replace him.

I'm totally fine with that. I just don't know how any Yankees fan can objectively look at their offseason and call it anything short of a disaster.
 
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RBH

Member
The Oakland Athletics on Friday asked to remain in the Oakland Coliseum for five more years, in a proposed agreement that would delay the target for their move to San Jose until 2018.

The A's lease at the Coliseum expires after this season. The team has waited almost four years for Commissioner Bud Selig to approve or reject the proposed move to San Jose.

In a letter to the body that governs the Coliseum, A's owner Lew Wolff agreed to keep the team in Oakland for at least five years "regardless of the outcome of our efforts to obtain a new facility in the City of San Jose."

Wolff added: "The A’s organization certainly prefers to remain in Oakland for the next five years rather than being forced into looking elsewhere for a temporary home venue. If possible, we should retain the 130 full-time jobs and the almost 800 union jobs that encompass a full baseball season, the fun of the A’s, and Major League Baseball in Oakland for five more years.

"I believe the A’s have a great deal to contribute to the area for the next five years, and even thereafter."
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...eum-oakland-san-jose-20121221,0,3921535.story
 
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harSon

Banned
I freaking hate going to that stadium, it's depressing as shit.

As for some good news, my brother bought me a McCutchen jersey :D I've personally been waiting to make the plunge for one since I didn't want to shrink out of during my diet like I did the last Steelers jersey I got.
 
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RBH

Member
Mr. Enigma said:
Wife: Drunk Andruw Jones grabbed me by the neck, dragged me down a staircase, and said he wanted to kill me
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harSon

Banned
Sanjuro said:
I have a feeling I will too. In fact, he seems like the best part about this trade now.
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I'm not sure to what capacity you're going to use him in though. It's the predicament we found ourselves within. His defensive capabilities are too suspect to play SS, and he lacks the power to play 2B. He sort of doesn't have an identity unfortunately.
 
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Sanjuro

Member
harSon said:
I'm not sure to what capacity you're going to use him in though. It's the predicament we found ourselves within. His defensive capabilities are too suspect to play SS, and he lacks the power to play 2B. He sort of doesn't have an identity unfortunately.
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He could be starting in the minors. I don't see how he fits here exactly yet.

Ideally, first base starts rotating with Napoli (if he even ends up here). Possibly third base. Have no idea how Middlebrooks is going to bounce back.
 
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Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
Cool article:

All this stuff really happened in the Strange But True season of 2012:

• There was a rain delay in a domed stadium (in Milwaukee).

• The Pirates hit back-to-back homers that clanked off the same foul pole.

• Jonathan Lucroy had two seven-RBI games -- or two more than Chipper Jones had in his entire 2,499-game career.

• The Mariners -- yes, the Mariners -- scored 21 runs in one game on May 30 in Texas, then ripped off five straight series in which they didn't score 21 runs.

• Pedro Alvarez unfurled a Golden Sombrero (0-for-4 with four whiffs) -- in a game he didn't start.

• In one week in May, Josh Hamilton put 16 fair balls in play -- and nine of them left the park.

• Todd Frazier lost the grip on his bat in midswing and still hit a home run -- even though he wasn't holding the bat in his hands at the moment he hit it.

• Rockies catcher Wilin Rosario committed four passed balls in one game -- without a single knuckleball being thrown.

• Michael Morse hit a grand slam, trotted three-quarters of the way around the bases, then reversed himself and circled the bases backward after a video review, returned to home plate, pantomimed his home run swing with an invisible bat and ball, and then rounded the bases again.

• And there were so many no-hitters (seven) pitched this year, even the Mets threw one.

Yes, it was one improbable turn of events after another, all right. So fasten those seatbelts securely around your waist, low and tight, and settle in for another turbulent, regular-season edition of the Strange But True Feats of the Year:
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