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[matthewwhatever]

Two pitchers with a lot of upside actually. Jenkins numbers don't look great, but he has been dominant in winter ball after finally getting his shoulder worked on.

He's a former first-round pick who just finished his third season of A-ball. He may have been relatively young for the league, but that doesn't fit the profile of someone with lots and lots of upside.

Meh @ the Martin signing

It has to be the precursor to another move. Having Martin and Navarro makes zero sense.

 

[Malvingt2]

Report: Mariners 'strong suitor' for Braves OF Justin Upton

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fa...ners-strong-suitor-for-braves-of-justin-upton

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

I like Martin but the last two years of that deal have the potential to be ugly. At least he can DH though so he has some extra value there. I can understand why the cubs or dodgers wouldn't match that offer. Still I think id rather have Martin on his deal than Victor Martinez and his.

Side note: is Shelby Miller inevitably destined for the bullpen?

Yep. He will make a great long man or setup man. And that's all you really need for one year of Heyward.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

Report: Mariners 'strong suitor' for Braves OF Justin Upton

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fa...ners-strong-suitor-for-braves-of-justin-upton

Fire Sale time.

 

[Loco4Coco]

Report: Mariners 'strong suitor' for Braves OF Justin Upton

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fa...ners-strong-suitor-for-braves-of-justin-upton

Mariners are always going after J-Upton and never do anything.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

I hate the Russel Martin Sif ing though. The Jays are not his framing skills away from competing.

 

[CygnusXS]

I know a lot of Rays fans freaked out about the Price trade but so far its worked out pretty well.

The difference is a team like the Rays has to care about team controlled salary. The Braves could have easily kept Heyward but the fact they didn't want to kind of says where they are headed salary wise.

At least in terms of revenue, they're only going up.

 

[Malvingt2]

The Braves trade Heyward: I understand it, but I still hate it

I understand this trade, and I’d note that, as recently as spring 2013, Shelby Miller was being lumped with Matt Harvey and Jose Fernandez and Matt Moore in the next wave of Great Young Arms. It will be fascinating to see what Roger McDowell can make of Miller, who hasn’t done all that much since. That said …

I hate this trade. I understand it, but I hate it. I hate trading a talent of such magnitude as Jason Heyward at any age, let alone a talent of 25 years, three months and eight days. He’s the best right fielder — and maybe the best fielder at any position — in the sport. He’s a terrific baserunner. He’s not yet the hitter we all expected him to be, but I repeat: He’s 25 years, three months and eight days old.

I understand that the Braves might well have lost Heyward to free agency 12 months hence. Were I the Braves, that’s a risk I’d have run. Better to take a chance at keeping him than to ship him to St. Louis, where you just know — well, don’t you? — he’s going to turn into Stan Musial.

Much more later. John Hart is holding a conference call at the top of the hour, and we’ll see what he has to say.

http://markbradley.blog.ajc.com/201...e-it/?ecmp=ajc_social_twitter_2014_braves_sfp

 

[Deleted member 752119]

The Braves trade Heyward: I understand it, but I still hate it

http://markbradley.blog.ajc.com/201...e-it/?ecmp=ajc_social_twitter_2014_braves_sfp

Same way I feel about it. Hate losing him, but he wouldn't be worth what he'd get as a Free Agent next year, so better to get something in return for him now rather than just lose him then.

 

[BFIB]

Braves now looking at trading Upton!?

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

Man, was kinda looking forward to seeing Tyrell Jenkins reach the majors with the Cardinals. He's got some pretty raw stuff and he was only going to get better.

Heyward will absolutely help the team though. RF will no longer be a blackhole. Would be great if he would sign an extension.

edit: best news is Carlos Martinez may be in the rotation next season.

 

[BFIB]

Man, was kinda looking forward to seeing Tyrell Jenkins reach the majors with the Cardinals. He's got some pretty raw stuff and he was only going to get better.

Heyward will absolutely help the team though. RF will no longer be a blackhole. Would be great if he would sign an extension.

edit: best news is Carlos Martinez may be in the rotation next season.

 

[jbug617]

Jays want Lester too
http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/bo...jays-continue-to-show-interest-in-jon-lester/

 

[cashman]

Miller was mediocre last season, and all the command issues either point to suck or elbow problems. Honestly if you're gonna take a risk on Miller they should have just gone for Wacha.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

Fuck no. BJ's better not ruin our offseason.

Maybe the Cubs go hard after 2 top starters now.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Would be hilarious if the Cubs manage to not sign any of the big names.

 

[Malvingt2]

David O'Brien ‏@DOBrienAJC
#Braves Hart said it's not set in stone, but reiterated Gattis to LF and JUpton to RF is certainly an option. Still lot of time this winter.

David O'Brien ‏@DOBrienAJC
Hart said #Braves have talked to Gattis about move to LF and that he's onboard with whatever they want him to do.


Gattis LF= Awful

 

[CygnusXS]

Truly, I have upset God in some way. Fuck you, you omnipotent bastard!

 

[Malo]

Man, I missed some crazy deals while asleep, huh. Is Windu alive?

 

[ConradCervantes]

So are the Barves AFK'ing 2015? And goddammit, it just HAD to be fucking St. Louis. Luckily it's for only the season, although Heywood will probably be enthralled with the Cardinal Way and sign long-term in the offseason. Wouldn't surprise me with Holliday being on the last year of his contract in 2016. Don't think that STL will pick up the 2017 club option, they're smarter than that.

Gattis in LF will be one of my favorite non-Brewer baseball subplots to follow next season.

 

[Windu]

Man, I missed some crazy deals while asleep, huh. Is Windu alive?

ready to jump

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Jays want Lester too
http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/bo...jays-continue-to-show-interest-in-jon-lester/

And I want to be Renee Young's soulmate. Ain't happening.

 

[Malo]

ready to jump

Don't do it. You have Gattis in left field to look forward to!

 

[Windu]

Don't do it. You have Gattis in left field to look forward to!

jumping

 

[The Elite]

I'm ok with the Martin signing.

It's not something I thought they needed.

 

[The Elite]

Jays want Lester too
http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/bo...jays-continue-to-show-interest-in-jon-lester/

Jays players better start up a collection.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

Nate Schierholtz last two seasons 400 SLG and 28 hrs
Jason Heyward last two seasons 400 SLG and 25hrs

Wow didn't realize how bad his offense has declined. Still elite defensively though.

 

[Enron]

Nate Schierholtz last two seasons 400 SLG and 28 hrs
Jason Heyward last two seasons 400 SLG and 25hrs

Wow didn't realize how bad his offense has declined. Still elite defensively though.

Wouldn't say "declined". He was hurt for a lot of that and also hitting in weird spots in the lineup.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Padres jump into Pablo sweepstakes:

The Padres have interest in Pablo Sandoval, expanding the field of known interested teams in the star third baseman to five.

The incumbent Giants, where he has won three World Series rings, and the deep-pocketed Red Sox are seen as favorites, but San Diego makes sense, too. The Padres are in need of offense, and their third baseman posted a 28th best .613 OPS. They have been more prominently associated with Cuban slugger Yasmany Tomas, who can play the outfield or possibly the hot corner.

The White Sox and Blue Jays also are interested in Sandoval.

 

[Sanjuro]

Braves are doing the right thing. Windu's demeanor finally broke them.

Also, please have them sign the Panda Bear.

 

[CygnusXS]

Nate Schierholtz last two seasons 400 SLG and 28 hrs
Jason Heyward last two seasons 400 SLG and 25hrs

Wow didn't realize how bad his offense has declined. Still elite defensively though.

Well, his power declined. He is still a good hitter. And he's 25.

 

[jbug617]

WTF

 

[Windu]

Braves are doing the right thing. Windu's demeanor finally broke them.

Also, please have them sign the Panda Bear.

the braves already have the excellent Chris Johnson signed long term....

still falling

 

[XiaNaphryz]

WTF

You don't know about Sosa and the whole skin cream thing?

 

[Malo]

WTF

La crema de Sammy Sosa.

 

[BFIB]

Well, his power declined. He is still a good hitter. And he's 25.

Cards have discussed someone else hitting leadoff, and moving MCarp down in the order. Maybe this is what they were alluding to, but I would think Heyward would bat down in the order.

 

[jbug617]

You don't know about Sosa and the whole skin cream thing?

I knew about it but he is silver now

 

[chicagocubsfan]

WTF

Just a banner day for the Cubs.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

Oh shit, we got Heyward. I will miss Shelby though.

CMart to the rotation?

I'm guessing the Cards don't make this deal if the Taveras accident never happened?

Obviously. Unless they were able to ship Oscar for Stanton or something, he was going to battle it out with Grichuk for a starting role.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

Oh shit, we got Heyward. I will miss Shelby though.

CMart to the rotation?

CMart and Marco were going to come to spring training as starters either way, so maybe. Have a bad feeling Marco will be the 5th starter though. I mean, I like the guy and he's a perfectly fine 5th starter (also LHP), but CMart is just so good.

 

[RGVNOE]

Jon Jay and Heyward in the OF? This truly is a post TLR Cardinals.

Should've sent Jay in that deal, regardless I hope they give grichuk a legitimate shot for an OF position, and they better put Heyward in CF, tired of everyone tagging and scoring on Jay

 

[BFIB]

CMart and Marco were going to come to spring training as starters either way, so maybe. Have a bad feeling Marco will be the 5th starter though. I mean, I like the guy and he's a perfectly fine 5th starter (also LHP), but CMart is just so good.

Cards could go with:

C-Mart/Walden/Rosie to try and give it away.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

Cards could go with:

C-Mart/Walden/Rosie to try and give it away.

Hey, if CMart can pitch 7 strong innings a game, I'd be estatic.

Whether this deal is a good one will probably come down to whether we can get a reasonable extension worked out for Heyward.

Heh, people are noticing the similarities in between this trade and the Wainwright one (except in reverse). Hoping Jenkins doesn't turn into the next Waino.

 

[Jubs]

The upside to this is that Fredi will finally be fired after the team wins only 70 games next season.

 

[Mr. Enigma]

Heyward was a goner after 2015 anyways. Doesn't upset me much.

 

[matthewwhatever]

Fuck no. BJ's better not ruin our offseason.

Maybe the Cubs go hard after 2 top starters now.

Relax. There is no way whatsoever the Jays sign Lester. None. Red Sox beat reporters just have this weird thing about making up Jays rumours.

 

[Parch]

I hate the Russel Martin Signing though. The Jays are not his framing skills away from competing.

Too much money, but not really surprised. Blue Jays targeting a Canadian shouldn't be a surprise.
But yeah, it's not going to make a lot of difference on the field. That money could have been better spent elsewhere.

 

[stn]

Why are the Braves suddenly selling their OF? If they're planning to trade any Upton it should be BJ, even for 10 cents on the dollar.

 

[eznark]

Why are the Braves suddenly selling their OF? If they're planning to trade any Upton it should be BJ, even for 10 cents on the dollar.

They stole all that taxpayer money now they are going on a fire sale.

 

[Enron]

Why are the Braves suddenly selling their OF? If they're planning to trade any Upton it should be BJ, even for 10 cents on the dollar.

Because no one wants BJ, even for free.

Also - Jason is walking anyways. Might as well get a return for him.