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MLB 2014-2015 Offseason |OT| Playoff Dreaming
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chicagocubsfan
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Forgot the Cubs got La Stella too.
I guess he can stem the tide until Bryant comes up in April.
Still this was a weird trade for us sort of.
I guess he can stem the tide until Bryant comes up in April.
Still this was a weird trade for us sort of.
bahahahaahahaha i can't
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I mean its kind of true but the Mets will still be paying Bonilla money through 2035 long after the Nats have stopped paying Scherzer.
i know, right. im jamming down f5 on mlbtr and getting NO work done this morning.
BFIB
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Wow. Terrible deal.
How does Boras continue to sell his guys to get these kinds of deals done?
My guess is a reliever and Ryan Rua
chicagocubsfan
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Not amazing tbh.
Rock And Roll
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Wow the Nats got had. The original $180 million didn't seem too bad but $210 million? Get da fuq outta here
Dmncnby2k9
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did the astros send over bleachers also to the cubs?
I'd be cool with that actually.
210 is a lot but I'm fine with the 14 year payments. Could help us out after this year to extend strasburg or sign zimmermann.
Future PhaZe
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i dont understand how we didnt just extend zim
like, huh
and the move doesn't even help us that much for the post season because we were losing games holding guys under 2 and 3 runs most nights
kind of hate it
like, huh
and the move doesn't even help us that much for the post season because we were losing games holding guys under 2 and 3 runs most nights
kind of hate it
Rafa=FedKilla
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Ridiculous. Scherzer is about to fall off a cliff. I don't understand why teams don't AAV the fuck outta these guys, you don't want him wasting a roster spot in years five, six and seven.....
Little Green Yoda
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7 years, 30M/yr for a pitcher on the wrong side of 30? Damn, Boras is good at his job.
It's deffered. 15m per year for 14 years.
Most Rangers fans would drink themselves silly in the middle of the workday if this were all it was going to take.
I'm guessing that it's going to have to be a top 10 prospect (someone like Luke Jackson, Jake Thompson, Nick Williams, Lewis Brinson) and a guy like Rua or Sardinas.
Future PhaZe
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thats still an overpay from a standpoint of practicality, but its super helpful to the Learners and their operations moving forward when you consider shit like the masn deal and what not
If Melvin can get that for a guy in the final year of his contract I'll be fucking dancing in the streets.
Final year of his contract, but still a pretty valuable piece. strong AL #3 starter. I'm fine with giving up Nick Williams. Not so much with giving up Luke Jackson or Jake Thompson, though. Rua or Sardinas are whatevers.
Future PhaZe
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is adding pitching really a win now move? our bats are trash in the post season, gotta shake things up there
Adding anything of this caliber to make your team better is win now, regardless of strengths and weaknesses on the roster as a whole.
Two things that are shaken up on the offense side compared to our post season lineup:
1. Escobar is a nat. His stats are slightly better than Cabreras for what it's worth. (Better obp and avg).
2. Zimmerman will be in the lineup rather than Laroche. Remember, he had a couple of hits with way less at bats and sat on the bench when Laroche started over him.
Those are two moves that make us better.
Two things that are shaken up on the offense side compared to our post season lineup:
1. Escobar is a nat. His stats are slightly better than Cabreras for what it's worth. (Better obp and avg).
2. Zimmerman will be in the lineup rather than Laroche. Remember, he had a couple of hits with way less at bats and sat on the bench when Laroche started over him.
Those are two moves that make us better.
chicagocubsfan
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Plus you guys are probably likely to trade a starter for a bat.
I think it might be Fister.
I think it might be Fister.
I dont know where we'd slot a bat, though, at this point. Werth and Harper are still going to patrol the outfield next year (2016) when Michael Taylor starts. Rendon and Zimmerman will hold the corners for now. Trea Turner will probably be up in 2016 to replace Desmond. Only place I can see a switch is 2b or Catcher, even though Ramos is gonna hold catcher down for a few years.
I'd accept a bat for the future to replace Werth when he probably/eventually moves to first.
I'd accept a bat for the future to replace Werth when he probably/eventually moves to first.
BFIB
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I think they stand pat. They have plus WAR at every position. Rotation is arguably the best in the NL now.
HarryDemeanor
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Andre Ethier is still available Nats.
sf2fanatic
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Sounds dumb but truthfully I like that contract. Guaranteed money after baseball right?
I'm surprised he didn't go the Allen Iverson route too.
E: I agree with Harry. Ethier is definitely available. Take him off our hands please
Mr. Enigma
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Ninja Scooter
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I'm pretty sure that for luxury tax purposes in terms of roster salary it's still counted as a 7 year AAV, not 14. The deferred payments are simply a financial move for the front office.
Well, sure, the roster's salary will still be affected by this contract but at least the payments aren't necessarily in increments of $30m a year. Luckily there's no salary cap to necessarily put us in a bad spot.
Brewers working on trading the prospects they are getting for Strasbug.
Ninja Scooter
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But it's still a 7 year deal and so it does affect the roster in increments of close to $30 million a year. That is what is going to count against their luxury tax cap. How much that will help them will depend on how willing the ownership is to go over the luxury tax.
Ninja Scooter
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I guess that is where the zimmerman/strasburg trade talk comes from, but I'd just keep them and shoot for the world series. If Zimmerman walks as a free agent but you make it to the World Series that would be a fair trade off for me.
Carpe Libertatem
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Not to mention they get a draft pick from Zimmerman walking too. Whether or not the Nationals keep him is probably based entirely on what teams are offering. I imagine there's a certain point where trading him is preferable
Yeah. Keeping Zimmermann would be the preferable option for me. And I do not mind a draft pick at all because at least that's something (hopefully a WS comes with it too)... but as Carpe said, I'd at least keep my ears open in case there's a 'no brainer' trade out there.
Future PhaZe
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One won't be coming if it's clear we are going to let him walk
I'd let a lot of bats walk and pray call ups surprise rather than lose pitching all day every day
Dominican Power
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Washington Tigers.
This is the Sonics year
WesternHeretic
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THAT'S MY... overpaid man!
It's just unlikely we wont resign Zimmermann for two reasons: 1) The Max Scherzer signing 2) Zimmermann isn't a Boras client. I still think there's a shot (1 out of 1 million) we resign him but that's the 'wishful thinking' in me rather than the reality. He's more than likely gone. But I'd still hold onto him for this season than trade him (unless the deal is a no brainer).
We know what the Boras/Lerner relationship is like. I still see a Strasburg/Harper extension likely because of that. We also have a lot of money back on the books by the end of 2015/2016 because our payroll opens up ~$47 million after Zimmermann, Fister, Span, and Desmond walk.
But for the Nationals sake, we have Lucas Giolito, AJ Cole, and Sammy Solis in the minors that may eventually replace Zimmermann, Fister, and Strasburg. Michael A Taylor to replace Span. Trea Turner and Wilmer Difo to replace Desmond and Escobar respectively.
It's a lot of long shots, like it was back in 2011, but at least we're not necessarily back to 2007 standards in a few years.