DoktorEvil
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I am too cynical to believe that any rule change would be put in place this postseason. It'll happen next year.
If Sandy Alderson is talking to the right people, maybe that rule change goes into effect tonight.
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MLB 2015 POSTSEASON |OT| Screw you, Satan!
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I am too cynical to believe that any rule change would be put in place this postseason. It'll happen next year.
If Sandy Alderson is talking to the right people, maybe that rule change goes into effect tonight.
...and you are? Also, in what world does not making any effort to break up a major double play in a playoff game go unnoticed?
You don't make any sense.
That slide looks like every attempt to break up a double play. The only difference is how hard Utley went in on the slide.
Players rarely go in to be safe. The rule is as long as they are able to touch or reasonable could argue they are attempting to get at the bag, they are fine.
Utley and Rollins understand what it's like to get taken out on plays like that. It's a baseball play.
Players rarely go in to be safe. The rule is as long as they are able to touch or reasonable could argue they are attempting to get at the bag, they are fine.
Utley and Rollins understand what it's like to get taken out on plays like that. It's a baseball play.
prag16
Banned
There's already a rule on the books. It just isn't consistently enforced.
Judgment call still, but pretty clear in this case I think
The guy Im replying to is asking for ALL slides in forceout to be taken away and I dont agree with that, however, shit like what Utley did last night need to be revised because even if Utley wasnt looking to injure anyone, he was going towards the player and not even making an effort to go to the basepad.... Heck he didnt even slide, he tackled Tejada.
Take out slides on double plays have existed for a long time. Utley's approach to this one is the same as all the break-ups I have ever seen. I don't understand why this is new.
I would say most take out slides are just players reaching for 2nd like Utley does knowing that they are out. They continue running to up-end or disrupt the throw.
I would say most take out slides are just players reaching for 2nd like Utley does knowing that they are out. They continue running to up-end or disrupt the throw.
I feel like revisionist history is coming into play here. Tackle?
He absolutely slid, and not wildly out of the sight of play. What Utley did do is disregard all personal safety for himself, the position player, and used his entire body to break up the play in a dirty manner.
I understand your point, and I agree, but some punishment need to be done if the player doesnt even make an effort for the basepad.
And Utley cant be suspended by this, this is how baseball is played now, if they want to change that rule, do so, but sudpending a player over something that was officially considered clean is just insane.
I used tackle as en exageration, as Utley half assed effort to slide.
I wish there was a reel of every take out slide over the past 10 years. You would soon realize what that slide was not an outlier.
This is what players are taught to do. They are taught to make it appear like they are reaching for the bag while taking out the SS/2nd Basemen on double play balls.
This is what players are taught to do. They are taught to make it appear like they are reaching for the bag while taking out the SS/2nd Basemen on double play balls.
He slid about a moment prior to contact with the base. It is the same as several breakup slides, it's not the same as someone trying to arrive safely at the bag.
Tragicomedy
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As someone who watched douchenozzle Lawrie injure Alcides Escobar earlier this year on a dirty slide...it's time for a look at the rules. I don't see Utley being suspended in the same way Tom Brady wasn't, as there just isn't a lock clad rule in place.
That doesn't mean he isn't a giant dirtbag. He definitely did that intentionally.
That doesn't mean he isn't a giant dirtbag. He definitely did that intentionally.
Alex Stroud
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Suspending him would be terrible since it would shine a light on how atrocious the rules for breaking up DPs are right now. I don't even have a problem with the slide itself, although Utley being called safe was horseshit. I'm sure TC will have Harvey dole out some old school justice and it'll be behind them by the time he's through the order the first time around.
Players in the league are taught to do that slide. The only difference is that Utley is fearless.
I also think it's hilarious that people think that plunking Utley is going to do anything.
Argue against the "barbarism" of Utley while calling for a man to throw a hard ball at Utley's head.
I also think it's hilarious that people think that plunking Utley is going to do anything.
Argue against the "barbarism" of Utley while calling for a man to throw a hard ball at Utley's head.
Noooooo spitterrrrr, our unsung hero
Welllll first off, there wasn't really anything to be afraid of when you're going into a guy facing the other way trying to turn a double play. I just think there's a line that's crossed sometimes with these takeout slides, and this was definitely one of the dirtier ones.
Welllll first off, there wasn't really anything to be afraid of when you're going into a guy facing the other way trying to turn a double play. I just think there's a line that's crossed sometimes with these takeout slides, and this was definitely one of the dirtier ones.
There are like five different facets to this play that people are combining to create their own narrative.
The question of it being dirty is pretty much unrelated to the rest of them.
Corran Horn
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Madden putting the squeeze on eh.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Kind of BS. I get that MLB wants to spread out the start times but it would be nice if people had more then 15 hours to make plans.
So we won't see something like this done in retaliation to him when he's fielding?
Next year, every ball club is going to have an enforcer.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Guys I'm going to the big leagues!
My point is that Utley's slide has been a normal double-play break-up slide for a long time. If you want to change the rules. That's fine, but it's strange how people are acting like this is somehow unique to Utley. This is a routine play. I have seen interference called when it is deemed that the player did not at least make an attempt at the bag.
For the most part, umpires are very liberal with the interpretation of this rule.
For the most part, umpires are very liberal with the interpretation of this rule.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
bonesmccoy
Banned
Exactly. These slides occur in virtually every game. Piling on one player is dumb considering that everyobe does this.
Could the MLB just alter the rule to say that the sliding player cannot make deliberate contact with the fielding player?
The runner should be absolutely able to make contact with the fielder. Having the rule specify the runner has to slide into the bag seems to be what they should be going towards.
Bill Plaschke hates on the Dodgers any chance he gets. No one takes him seriously.
if Toronto wins (at Texas, 5:10pm PT, FS1), NLDS Game 3 is 5:37pm PT Monday. Otherwise 5:07
Tuesday game will be at 5:07 PT.
Carpe Libertatem
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Bob Nightengale says Cubs in 2.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Doesn't that dude have one of the worst postseason prediction records?
Cannot believe people are defending the Utley slide. He didn't even touch second base. It's a dirty slide. It's always been a dirty slide and people saying it happens "all the time" don't know what they're talking about.
Utley is trash. Dodgers are trash. The Dodger fans in front of me at the game who were laughing and applauding when the cart came on the field are the worst trash of all.
Utley is trash. Dodgers are trash. The Dodger fans in front of me at the game who were laughing and applauding when the cart came on the field are the worst trash of all.
I'm trying really hard to keep myself from getting too excited but it does feel like the Cubs are up 2-1 already. Arietta is just too good right now.
Little Green Yoda
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When the guy predicts a team winning in 3 for a 7 game series or winning in 2 for a 5 game series, I'd imagine his prediction accuracy would suffer quite a bit!
chicagocubsfan
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What the Cards have done to Kershaw in the past, I wouldn't be surprised to see them do it again against Arrieta.
Arrieta has been money against his former teammate Marp tho.
Arrieta has been money against his former teammate Marp tho.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Shock and awe!
Carpe Libertatem
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He famously said "Tigers in 3" against the Cards in the 2006 WS.
I feel strangely confident going into game 3. Cubs haven't actually really done anything this series so far - last night was all failures of the Cards defense. Arrieta is due for some regression and I'd bet this trust Maddon in him will backfire sooner rather than later.
Also, see: Kershaw in general, Kris Medlen in 2012, Cliff Lee in 2011.
They've never been a classy bunch but this was a new level of scumminess.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
I really need to know what Pete Rose with a baseball bat thinks of that play.
Even the Japanese media is writing about the Blue Jays being cursed 
http://www.zakzak.co.jp/smp/sports/baseball/news/20151010/bbl1510101505006-s1.htm
http://www.zakzak.co.jp/smp/sports/baseball/news/20151010/bbl1510101505006-s1.htm
chicagocubsfan
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You going Lackey in Game 4?
HarryDemeanor
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I hope Brett Anderson can pitch an okay game on Monday.
DoktorEvil
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Coaches and both dugouts will be warned before the game tomorrow. Harvey won't throw at a Dodger, which affects how he pitches on the inside of the plate.
lowhighkang_LHK
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So what are the chances that the blue jays can go on a two game win streak? They can lose The LDS. I just want this to go to a game 5.
Carpe Libertatem
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Depends on outcome of game 3, I bet. If the Cards lose, then it'll be all hands on deck. I would guess Lynn starts if they win
Realistically there are those kind of fans in every fanbase. It doesn't matter if you are a Cubs, White Sox, Yankees, Phillies, Dodgers, Braves, ect. There will always be the immature fans. Some fanbases have a higher per capita then others though. Alcohol helps full that stupidity.
Not a routine play. In a routine play, you slide for the bag and well before it.
None of that happened with Chase Utley.
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