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MLB 2015 Regular Season |OT2| NES Baseball, Best Baseball
- Thread starter Corran Horn
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So, the word seems to be that the Cardinals are cooling off on most 1b trade options.
It's a seller's market. The clubs who have so far sold off some of their good pieces (A's, Reds, Rockies) have extracted considerable value for what are in most cases very short term rentals (or in Tulowitzki's case, a very , very long term contract, which is also bad).
Given that the Cardinals don't really need to make a trade to make the playoffs, trading away significant future pieces for a .5-1 WAR upgrade at first base over the course of the rest of the year probably isn't worth it. One of the hallmarks of the Cardinals sustained success over the last decade is patience; they have very studiously avoided the "win now" mentality.
It's a seller's market. The clubs who have so far sold off some of their good pieces (A's, Reds, Rockies) have extracted considerable value for what are in most cases very short term rentals (or in Tulowitzki's case, a very , very long term contract, which is also bad).
Given that the Cardinals don't really need to make a trade to make the playoffs, trading away significant future pieces for a .5-1 WAR upgrade at first base over the course of the rest of the year probably isn't worth it. One of the hallmarks of the Cardinals sustained success over the last decade is patience; they have very studiously avoided the "win now" mentality.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
I think it makes sense. Unless the Cardinals can get a Cishek-level deal, I don't see them making a move. I would even think another reliever is the most likely, but only if they can trade away nothing for them like they did for Cishek.
Not even sure where that reliever would fit, but I like chess pieces for October. And I think Mozeliak does too
BFIB
Member
Mo has stated a few times now that he does not want a player for years, and wants a rental to not block Adams at 1B.
Lind would make a lot of sense, but the Brewers would also have a higher asking price I would imagine. Personally, the bullpen/rotation is what worries me the most, despite our offense sputtering most of the year. August is going to be brutal, and even though we are getting Walden back, and will likely have Lyons in a bullpen role as long relief, I still think another warm body down in the 'pen wouldn't hurt.
As for 1B, let Piscotty get his AB's there, and in the outfield to spell Holliday down the stretch.
CosmicQueso
Member
And who wins? THE OAKLAND ATHLETICS!
(I'll take every win I can get at this point).
That beautiful, delicious pain of Andre Ethier. "Get it out, son"
Kershaw vs Chavez? Heh, your thoughts are a pretty safe bet. BET THE HOUSE!
HarryDemeanor
Member
This is the day the Dodgers turn the corner.
so apparently Fernando Rodney was tipping his pitches, and the Jays actually told the Mariners about it after their recent series
presumably because they don't play each other again this season, but the M's do face other teams in the wild card race. that's kind of awesome. :lol
presumably because they don't play each other again this season, but the M's do face other teams in the wild card race. that's kind of awesome. :lol
Duane Cunningham
Member
I haven't posted in the thread since Cueto or Zobrist, but yes, I am OVER THE MOON 
Oh, and here's a good gif of that play last night I cannot stop staring at it
Oh, and here's a good gif of that play last night I cannot stop staring at it
chicagocubsfan
Member
Dodgers close to getting Latos and Morse from the Marlins.
I'm really excited for you, Duane. I live in downtown STL right now, and it's great to see people in KC Royals shirts. It's great to see KC fans have something to be enthusiastic about again.
There's a really big difference between a situation like KC fans circa 1990-2012 and Tampa Bay Rays fans circa forever; it's clear that KC fans were eager to root for the home team as soon as there was something to root for. Tampa Bay could probably be winning multiple world series titles and would still be drawing 10k fans per game.
There's a really big difference between a situation like KC fans circa 1990-2012 and Tampa Bay Rays fans circa forever; it's clear that KC fans were eager to root for the home team as soon as there was something to root for. Tampa Bay could probably be winning multiple world series titles and would still be drawing 10k fans per game.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Kershaw got scratched from his start tonight. Clearly hes getting traded.
chicagocubsfan
Member
Looks like the Latos/Morse to LA deal is complete. Dodgers will also get a competitive balance pick. No word on specs yet.
CosmicQueso
Member
What a steal for Miami, no matter who's going the other way. Addition by subtraction for them.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
I don't know why more teams don't do business with the Marlins tbh
Will not be surprised if the minor leaguers are nothing special
Will not be surprised if the minor leaguers are nothing special
The Elite
BOSS
I haven't posted in the thread since Cueto or Zobrist, but yes, I am OVER THE MOON
Oh, and here's a good gif of that play last night I cannot stop staring at it
This teamwork.
This team.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
We get to wreck latos more? Awesome.
I'd say so.
..then again the Astros are reportedly in the mix for Hamels so who knows?!
Ninja Scooter
Member
Depends on who the 3 minor leaguers are who they sent to Miami. They can't be anyone of note considering what they got back. They still easily have the pieces to get Hamels or Price it just depends on how willing they are to give them up.
Frozenprince
Banned
The deal is about the draft pick they just bought, has nothing really to do with Latos or Morse.
Castro isn't in the lineup for the Cubs tonight, all that's left is to announce which Padres pitcher they got for him.
So far the deadline has basically been Billy, Friedman and Theo working everybody else.
I don't think you can ignore the fact that the Rays sucked really hard until Friedman saved them. Plus the stadium nobody wanted in the area nobody lived, the fact that they continue to move/suck, the erosion of the fans good will through years of heartbreak (Maddon and Friedman jumping ship most recently just the cherry on top). I don't think the Rays ever had a genuine chance to succeed in that market.
Castro isn't in the lineup for the Cubs tonight, all that's left is to announce which Padres pitcher they got for him.
So far the deadline has basically been Billy, Friedman and Theo working everybody else.
I don't think you can ignore the fact that the Rays sucked really hard until Friedman saved them. Plus the stadium nobody wanted in the area nobody lived, the fact that they continue to move/suck, the erosion of the fans good will through years of heartbreak (Maddon and Friedman jumping ship most recently just the cherry on top). I don't think the Rays ever had a genuine chance to succeed in that market.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Might be.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Latos makes sense to have on the staff, even though he sorta blows. Not sure what they'll do with Morse aside from cutting him though.
Frozenprince
Banned
Latos is a decent add, but the deal is about the draft pick. Which should be a good one considering how crappy they are.
HarryDemeanor
Member
They will probably cut the ex-Giant scum. They're already eating his contract.
Frozenprince
Banned
He was basically the equivalent of sending money for the pick. Latos might pitch a few games.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Yeah I'm pretty sure Latos will stick around for a bit.
Friedman is just stockpiling trade bait for Hamels or Price.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Uh the deal is definitely about Latos. He's been solid the last 2 months. He is obviously going to bump Frias out of the rotation. His stuff is still solid and going to LA will help him look better. They bought a compensatory pick (#34) by taking Morse.
I just feel like Hamels is going to die in Philies uniform with how much they are asking for him.
Frozenprince
Banned
No. The deal is about buying out Latos and Morse for a draft pick. They're just picking a pitcher they can either use as leverage in another deal (Heaney says hello) or if they can't get another deal, slot into the rotation as a low end replacement option.
The deal is about the pick.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
The #34 pick in the draft is not worth what you think it is.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Ruben Amaro is like "Okay I'll take Seager, Urias, Puig, Tommy Lasorda, 7 dodger dogs, a Fernando-mania T-shirt and a dinner date with Andre Ethier. That's my final offer."
Frozenprince
Banned
Andrew Friedman disagrees. Loria sells off his comp picks all the time. Surprised it took this long.
detectiveconan1
Member
Latos was dealing with knee problems at the beginning of the season. Once he got healthy he looked much better, and he has been great the past few weeks. He will be a decent starter for them the rest of the season.
Also, the compensatory pick is #34 overall.
CosmicQueso
Member
What HAVE you been reading? Or are we a little tipsy already today?
Ninja Scooter
Member
I think taking on Morse was about the pick. I think the Dodgers actually wanted Latos though. Their rotation outside of Grienke and Kersh is garbage.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
Yes, the Dodgers, who have a shaky rotation to say the least outside of Kershaw and Greinke, have no interest in a SP rental who is underperforming his peripherals considerably
Duane Cunningham
Member
Guthrieeeeeee.....
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Friedman's draft record is fucking garbage. Its seriously atrocious. Like, not good at all.
Loria made a smart move here. Although its more about saving himself some money than actually trying to help the organization.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2013/6/25/4457048/2013-mlb-draft-how-valuable-are-draft-picks
detectiveconan1
Member
Yeah you pretty much nailed it. Between the trade today and the trade last week the Marlins dumped 9 million dollars worth of contract this season, and $8 million next season.
I would like to think that this money will be put to good use, but I know better.
Duane Cunningham
Member
Evidently the Royals have had an inside joke the last couple of days where they work "1738" into every interview.
They been trying to trade him since the 2010 (or 11) season!
Haha that's great.
Sir Alemeth
Member
Nooooooo...Morse can't join the dark side!
Mat Latos to the Dodgers...hehe *rubs hands together
Mat Latos to the Dodgers...hehe *rubs hands together
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Don't worry he can be the inside man to destroy the team and play horrible OF.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
It's weird when it's like 10am and you get prefect game alerts for a game in the 6th inning. Toooo early.