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MLB 2016 Regular Season Official Thread - Do Not Attempt to Ketchup

It adds doubt when you wonder why he would be taking a 30 year old steroid in the first place when there are much better and more undetectable modern PEDs now.

I think for a guy like Colabello - 32, borderline MLB player - you don't have the connections or the cash that would grant you access to the latest and greatest PEDs and masking agents. So when the panic hits - Spring Training hits and he's feeling shittier than ever - he probably just went for what he could quickly get his hands on.
 

zulux21

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in 2001 barry bonds hit 73 home runs of a team total 235. or 31% of the team's home runs.

today Freddie Freeman is now responsible for 60% of the brave's home runs making him nearly twice as awesome as bond's career season.
 

RBH

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Honest question for the baseball experts out there. Are the Braves at a level where many AAA teams could beat them? Or are the worst MLB teams still at a higher level than nearly all AAA teams?
 

BFIB

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Honest question for the baseball experts out there. Are the Braves at a level where many AAA teams could beat them? Or are the worst MLB teams still at a higher level than nearly all AAA teams?

Just watch them and the Phillies, you'll get your answer.
 

GK86

Homeland Security Fail
Full article here.

Gordon won't be around the Marlins for the next three months, as he serves his suspension, unpaid. But when he returns, his new contract will still be in place. He'll lose about half of his salary this year, or $1.65 million, and then the Marlins will be on the hook for $7.8 million in 2017, $10.8 million in 2018, $13.3 million in 2019, $13.8 million in 2020, plus a $1 million buyout on a 2021 contractual option. All guaranteed.

The Marlins have no idea whether Gordon's PED use contributed to his success in 2014, before they traded their best pitching prospect, Andrew Heaney, to get him. They have no idea whether PEDs were the backbone of his batting title last year. They have no idea what kind of player he will be for the duration of his contract.

They know only that they have to continue paying him, under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement and the Joint Drug Agreement between Major League Baseball and the players' association.

The union embraced drug testing and has taken it further than any other sports league. But for philosophical reasons, it has not seriously entertained the idea -- to date -- of allowing teams to void multiyear deals, like Gordon's, after a PED bust.

The practical reality is that until the players' association does this, the incentive to cheat will far outweigh the risks involved in being caught. Whatever the intent, whatever the justification, PED crime in baseball pays well.
 

Parch

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The Marlins have no idea whether Gordon's PED use contributed to his success in 2014, before they traded their best pitching prospect, Andrew Heaney, to get him. They have no idea whether PEDs were the backbone of his batting title last year. They have no idea what kind of player he will be for the duration of his contract.
Legitimate concerns for a team paying the guy long term big bucks. How mediocre does he become off the juice, yet the team is still stuck with the contract. There is no chance in hell the player's union would ever allow a team to invalidate a contract because of PED use..
 

zulux21

Member

to be fair while it can sound like a sad thing for a team when they are caught early in a contract, the fact of the matter is if it is caught late in the contract that player's drugs could have helped the team win their division or even the WS.

It sucks, but in no way should a team be allowed to void a contract otherwise they will have to much power.

the yankees had to know arod was juicing when they signed his extension. they wanted his numbers in his line up and hoped he didn't get caught. there would be way to much corruption with contracts if teams could just sign known juicers and then the moment they don't want to pay them out them. It's slightly better now with their incentive being that after they are outed their brand is ruined and they are still on the hook for the money. not that wanting to hide PEDs is a good idea either.

that all being said, I would love to see more incentive based contracts. Instead of 5 years 100 mil, something like 5 years 10 mil with a ton of bonuses like 500k per home run ect. Which would be harder to budget but at the same time if everyone exceeds your expectations and you owe more than expected you also would likely be taking in extra money from your team doing well. It would also be far more fair for drug issues this way because they would come back without drugs and fail to meet numbers costing teams far less, but the players likely would never agree to this because while it could offer more money for players that have break out seasons, it would in general likely cost a lot of guaranteed money especially on those 5+ year contracts.

TL:DR yes while right now there is a lot of incentive to cheat, if you allowed the voiding of contracts there would be to much incentive for teams to find cheaters, look the other way until they get hurt or aren't performing, and then out them.
 
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