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MLB Off-season Thread 2015-2016 IOTI Back to the Future was a lie
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chicagocubsfan
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Cubs should promote him or Eric Hinske to bench coach if Davey leaves.
The young guys love them.
Well, the 2016 braves are going to be hard to watch. Don't know much about the two pitchers but all the anaylists say Newcomb is now the best pitching prospect in the system, which is nice. Fair deal, was expecting a bigger one though since they didn't have to trade him.
To be honest, they should trade Freeman. Never liked that contract.
To be honest, they should trade Freeman. Never liked that contract.
I'd rather move Miller since it's looking less and less likely that the team will be good in 2017.
chicagocubsfan
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Estrada close to a 2 year deal with the Jays.
MLBTR says it's worth 24-29 million.
MLBTR says it's worth 24-29 million.
DevelopmentArrested
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Jays nearing 2 year deal $25-29 million for Estrada per Sherman
beaten: I like it
Just need 1 more starter now
beaten: I like it
Just need 1 more starter now
I guess if aybar has a better year on the defensive side of the game which he has a history of the deal should be fine. I guess the braves think Albies will be ready sooner rather than later.
Still, Simmons's defense was the best thing to watch about 2015's team. Now what?
Edit: of course it only works out if newcomb is the real deal...trust in the braves scouting and development system I guess..
Still, Simmons's defense was the best thing to watch about 2015's team. Now what?
Edit: of course it only works out if newcomb is the real deal...trust in the braves scouting and development system I guess..
I don't even know about the Braves anymore.
Like........what exactly is the end game here?
Trading Simmons makes zero sense to me. Sure, Albies is doing well in the minors, but he's not a sure thing. Simmons is a sure thing and cost-controlled for numerous years, and we just give up on that.
Like........what exactly is the end game here?
Trading Simmons makes zero sense to me. Sure, Albies is doing well in the minors, but he's not a sure thing. Simmons is a sure thing and cost-controlled for numerous years, and we just give up on that.
i was hoping for something a bit cheaper but eh
actually I saw a good idea on twitter that they should offer him like $20M over 2 yrs with a 3rd year $12M option / $4M buyout. so $24M guaranteed.
Frozenprince
Banned
The thinking is that defense peaks early, so his glove will only be in decline. He'll probably never hit well, and his contract is really backloaded. Additionally, the shortstop market is really thin right now and demand is far outstripping supply. They talked to half the teams in baseball and no one wanted to give up an impact bat for Simmons, so they took what they felt the best deal was.
I don't know if they really needed to make this trade. It does suggest that they're not really operating with a cohesive plan, but rather just grabbing as many talented players as possible and they'll try to figure out the roster later. It's basically a fair trade, but I really don't know how they're going to put the roster together now in time to be competitive before 2019. This will probably be another busy winter for them.
I could spend a lifetime wondering what waiting out the market could have led to.
Frozenprince
Banned
Seriously, let the market develop and make someone get desperate and bite. Blew their wad way too early, imo.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
That's actually okay.
Thank fuck that didn't happen. So, from Severino to Newcomb? Talk about lowered expectations.
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan: Braves listened on Andrelton Simmons last year, too. Talked an absolute blockbuster with Yankees that would've also included Justin Upton.
I wonder who else was in the proposal for the Yankees.
Hit the nail on the head.
And that pisses me off almost more than anything.
Aside from the fact that we just traded the best defensive shortstop in the game since Ozzie Smith.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Carpe Libertatem
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There's No Such Thing as a Pitching Prospect
I don't want to judge them too harshly right now, just because they've shown themselves to be both creative and persistent, and there's a lot of time between now and spring 2017. And on the financial side, the only players that they owe guaranteed money to in 2017 and beyond now are Freeman, Teheran, Markakis, and Olivera. They have the resources in both prospects and money to put together an interesting team in the next couple years, so we need to give them some more time.
crashnburn
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Aybar has been a much loved staple of the Angels for awhile. It hurt when we traded Kendrick and this hurts too. It is a huge gamble but Simmons numbers can't be scoffed at. Guess we'll see in a few years where Newcomb is and if it bites us in the ass.
mightynine
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Well, if the Braves are going to have great prospects, it's easier and cheaper for me to drive to double-A Mississippi.
...I'm still a little upset about this. Like others have said, there doesn't appear to be a plan here.
...I'm still a little upset about this. Like others have said, there doesn't appear to be a plan here.
the current rumor already doesn't make much sense that would be just silly.
I don't get why you would lock yourself down for much less than 15.8 per season you were already offered
at least with the rumor you are just taking a bit of a discount over 2 years to get that second year at near 15.8 mil... taking 20 mil for two years would just cost you money unless you are banking on your arm falling off as even if he has a garbage season you can easily get 4 mil as a major league starter
the current rumor already doesn't make much sense that would be just silly.
I don't get why you would lock yourself down for much less than 15.8 per season you were already offered
at least with the rumor you are just taking a bit of a discount over 2 years to get that second year at near 15.8 mil... taking 20 mil for two years would just cost you money unless you are banking on your arm falling off as even if he has a garbage season you can easily get 4 mil as a major league starter
well to be fair his track record is not necessarily a proven major league starter outside of 2015; dude kinda bounced around between starter and reliever before. and the idea was $24M over 2 years (effectively) or $32M over 3. so if Estrada took the QO then he'd be banking on being able to get at least $8M for 2017 on his own. I think it's reasonable... ish. Would be open to a bit more tho. Well if the rumoured amount is legit hopefully it's on the lower end of the $24-29M range :lol
Yanks interested in Chen. He is a decent middle of the rotation arm at best but I'm not crazy about the Yanks going after him. I feel Warren could be Chen if given the chance. He was pretty much on par with Chen last season as a starter and throughout his career.
Chen will 31 next July and Warren 29 next August. Warren is team controlled for another 3 years.
Chen will 31 next July and Warren 29 next August. Warren is team controlled for another 3 years.
BigJonsson
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Little Green Yoda
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Since you guys are all about that pitching, how does a Tim Cooney sound? We'll even throw in a slightly used Mitch Harris if you cover some of Freddie's contract!
Carpe Libertatem
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I'd absolutely give Reyes + Adams, plus maybe someone else minor for Freeman
Doubt it would happen though
detectiveconan1
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The Phillies are interested in Marcell Ozuna. That doesn't really make sense for either team though.
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I sincerely hope that we retain Estrada, but the cost is worrying. He had a great season, and I could see $20 million, but we need some of that money for an ace FFS.
XiaNaphryz
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chicagocubsfan
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Sort of surprised Rasmus took the QO. Although if he has a big season he'll get paid better since the FA crop for OF'ers doesn't seem as good.
detectiveconan1
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The Braves are also shopping Teheran and Freeman. They are going full Marlins with their fire sale.
chicagocubsfan
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I'm guessing the Braves don't like interdivisional trades by the way they dealt with the Mets over Simmons. It's not like they got Harvey or DeGrom value.
they traded with the mets at the deadline. The mets just didn't want to match the braves asking price. (Conforto and Matz).
detectiveconan1
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Matt Wieters accepts qualifying offer.
chicagocubsfan
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Wieters accepting is surprising. He could have gotten a bigger deal then that.
Makes complete sense for Wieters. He is 30 and coming off two injury plagues seasons. Take the 15.8M and rebuild value in 2016. Hit the market at 31 and grab a better contract.
These guy are looking at AAV and not just the total contract.
These guy are looking at AAV and not just the total contract.
HarryDemeanor
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Hyun-Jin Ryu has turned into a monster.
http://www.koreatimesus.com/a-new-ryu-dodgers-pitcher-slimmer-stronger-returning-from-surgery/
http://www.koreatimesus.com/a-new-ryu-dodgers-pitcher-slimmer-stronger-returning-from-surgery/
Frozenprince
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Because that asking price was fucking ludicrous.