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MLB - Official 2012 Season Thread: Where Curt Schilling & Marlins will never find us.
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Mr. Enigma
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Wetteland?
I guess he technically counts. I was going with Dave Righetti and then checked some of the numbers. Steve Farr was the guy for a few seasons, 91-93.
Mr. Enigma
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I only remember Wetteland from the '96 World Series.
Four straight saves in four straight games. Total badass.
yankeehater
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Best Yankees closer ever.
Good. I thought they might have gone with Soriano there.
Mr. Enigma
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Jayson Stark did a poll of team executives asking what the most immovable contracts of questionable players were.
1. Albert Pujols - LAA (10 years, $240 million left)
2. Prince Fielder - DET (9 years, $214 million left)
3. Carl Crawford - BOS (6 years, $127 million left)
4. Ryan Howard - PHI (5 years, $125 million left)
5. Alfonso Soriano - CHC (3 years, $54 million left)
6. Barry Zito - SF (2 years, $46 million left)
7. Jayson Werth - WSH (6 years, $112 million left)
8. Joe Mauer - MIN (7 years, $161 million left)
9. Alex Rodriguez - NYY (6 years, $143 million left)
10. Vernon Wells - LAA (3 years, $63 million left)
11. John Lackey - BOS (3 years, $45.75 million left)
1. Albert Pujols - LAA (10 years, $240 million left)
2. Prince Fielder - DET (9 years, $214 million left)
3. Carl Crawford - BOS (6 years, $127 million left)
4. Ryan Howard - PHI (5 years, $125 million left)
5. Alfonso Soriano - CHC (3 years, $54 million left)
6. Barry Zito - SF (2 years, $46 million left)
7. Jayson Werth - WSH (6 years, $112 million left)
8. Joe Mauer - MIN (7 years, $161 million left)
9. Alex Rodriguez - NYY (6 years, $143 million left)
10. Vernon Wells - LAA (3 years, $63 million left)
11. John Lackey - BOS (3 years, $45.75 million left)
Jayson Werth is #1 to me. At least with Pujols, Crawford and Fielder there is All-Star player upside.
Mauer and Howard are close behind Werth, imo.
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On Monday, the Indians are going to exercise a very little reported wrinkle in the latest CBA:
Which is cool, so now you don't have to shuffle guys around to make room for a AAA spot starter.
Mauer and Howard are close behind Werth, imo.
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On Monday, the Indians are going to exercise a very little reported wrinkle in the latest CBA:
Which is cool, so now you don't have to shuffle guys around to make room for a AAA spot starter.
The Frankman
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See this is what I hate. Why is Pujols up there? Does one bad month destroy his whole season?
EDIT: I understand why Fielder is up there (fears about weight), but he's producing. Crawford stilll has the tools to return to All-Star status.
Howard... ok, Soriano has proven he can't live up to the contract years ago. Zito, same thing. Werth was overpaid the minute he signed the deal and left CBP. Mauer got hurt but they HAD to sign him. A-Rod is getting paid to break the HR record. Wells... ok, Lackey... yikes.
My whole point is Pujols is adjusting to a new league, and realistically could still hit 30+ homers. He has no real injury bothering him and you assume his issue is discipline right now... for a mechanical swinger like him he needs to iron it out?
There is a Soriano missing from that list. Also Vernon Wells garbage contract was already moved so it clearly is not immovable
No, but he wasnt worth 10/240 anyway and he may Adam Dunn the whole season
No, but he wasnt worth 10/240 anyway and he may Adam Dunn the whole season
Mr. Enigma
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I think most teams are turned off by the fact that he's 46.
HarryDemeanor
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Hairston homer!
The Frankman
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Performance aside, how many teams can realistically afford his contract? Especially when three of the big clubs (I'm including Detroit) are already committed to fantastic 1st basemen.
That pretty much insures that Pujols is always going to be on that list, no matter what his current performance is. It's an 'immovable contract' list.
No, I'm saying there is a chance he has a really shitty season and not just a really shitty month. I think he'll be fine in the long run either way, but I do not think he was worth 10/240 even at his normal level of play. He will almost certainly decline during the end of that contract, so losing time now during his good years really makes it look bad. The list is for contracts nobody wants, not players
The Frankman
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I think 'immovable contract' in sports tends to imply you'd want to move it based on performance though. Yes he was overpaid massively, but there's no reason to think he's going to magically fall off the table right now. To say he'll go Adam Dunn is a big reach, especially if you look at his stretches last year.
Contracts have nothing to do with performance!
The Frankman
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Oh I wish I still had that Jose Reyes "OH YOU!" picture.
Dmncnby2k9
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Pujols contract has to be number one. The number of years and salary per year makes it hard for any team to trade for him. Even if he were producing it would be hard to move if u ask me.
Exactly.
endresults
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That's a good point. Dude is either a genetic freak or there was some fibbing going on with his age. Would be great for the Angels though if Albert is really past his prime and the Angels could dig something up about his true age. If that wouldn't void a contract, I dunno what would.
The_Inquisitor
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I fell asleep early last night. Just heard the news. My condolences Yankees age. Hope he comes back.
Mr. Enigma
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Most contracts are iron clad. If a team can't get out of a contract with a guy with a fake name, fake age won't do it.
what about Juan Carlos Paniagua? I don't think the Indians wanted out of Fausto's contract
I'm okay with the Abreu signing. Obviously not a long-term answer and our offense is still absurdly imbalanced but he adds another bat. Worst case scenario, we cut him too.
@Toxic Adam: Can you guys please play Kipnis at SS a few times? I desperately need another SS eligible player..Alexei Ramirez is killing me thus far.
@Toxic Adam: Can you guys please play Kipnis at SS a few times? I desperately need another SS eligible player..Alexei Ramirez is killing me thus far.
HarryDemeanor
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Something needs to be done about this Dodger bullpen.
The Frankman
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Decided to look over the 2009 MLB thread/WBC thread
So true. :lol
I'm shocked that half Iranian half Japanese works. Figured the genes would clash and the child would self destruct in the zygote stage.
I just found these funny
Rafa=FedKilla
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Andy must be getting him the good stuff.
The best kind of negative
Good for Mo.
Why break baseball's fine tradition of HOF players playing one year too long and looking terrible while doing it?
I don't think anyone would hold it against him for going out like that.
Mr. Enigma
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Did Mo really say that line about "no bitch"?
No
Mariano: "I am coming back. Write it down in big letters. ... I'm not going out like this"
Or his own tweet:
Thank you fans, friends and family for your prayers, well wishes and support. I will be ok. I will be back.
edit: although listening to the audio he actually said 'i aint goin like this' so my joke wasnt so far off
The Frankman
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Wait, was Abreu signed or not?
Mr. Enigma
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He was. He had two at-bats in today's Dodgers game. He made the final out.
The Frankman
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ah, missed the games yesterday with the Mets being off.
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