Dominican Power
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Better signing than Jason Vargas. Stay free Royals.
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Not really
Ninja Scooter
Member
Everybody is overpaid. The fact that it's a one year deal is why it is inconsequential. The Dodgers had like $80 million on the DL at any given point this season. It's basically a $10 million lottery ticket and it won't impact any moves down the line as it's only 1 year. Not a signing I would make, but it's not horrible.
Little Green Yoda
Member
How many front offices base personnel decisions on losses and ERA nowadays?
Biggest question is whether or not his HR problem is fixable. Second biggest question is his health. Neither bodes particularly well for a pitcher his age but it's a one year deal and the Dodgers are made of money. They can afford the flyer.
HarryDemeanor
Member
It's only a year. Whatever.
Mr. Enigma
Member
At this rate, there's going to be nothing left for the Winter Meetings.
JohnTinker
Limbaugh Parrot
Not really? In what world is 1/10 not better than 4/32?
Espicially considering both pitchers are identical.
Dodgers are probably looking at what he did during the 2nd half of the season:
8.22 K/9, 1.64 BB/9, 1.06 HR/9, 3.30 FIP, 3.37 xFIP
That looks like the old Haren and Dodger Stadium is favourable to pitchers. He also gets to pitch in AT&T and Petco.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Especially with both Billingsley and Beckett out it's an okay deal. He's only taking Capuano's spot.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Haren also gets to pitch in Coors Field and Chase Field.
So cancel out Petco and AT&T. That does nothing to change he gets to pitch half his games in Dodger Stadium. I would have taken a chance on Hughes.
EDIT: Wait, Haren gets a vesting option?
The Frankman
Banned
So with no Peralta for the Mets who can they sign at SS?
Ronny Cedeno? lol
Clint Barmes? Maybe 5-6 years ago.
Cesar Izturis? ehhhhh...
John McDonald? WHO?
Munenori Kawasaki? AHAHHHAHHAHAHHHAAHAHHAHAHAHHA
... fuck
Stephen Drew? WAY too expensive.
Ronny Cedeno? lol
Clint Barmes? Maybe 5-6 years ago.
Cesar Izturis? ehhhhh...
John McDonald? WHO?
Munenori Kawasaki? AHAHHHAHHAHAHHHAAHAHHAHAHAHHA
... fuck
sf2fanatic
Member
F'n Dodgers...
I guess they're uncertain with Beckett and Billingsly next year...
Harry and I agree on the situation
I guess they're uncertain with Beckett and Billingsly next year...
Harry and I agree on the situation
Yeah looks like they're just gonna have to stick it out with Tejada for the time being and hope he at least works out the defensive issues he had last season.
This is why the Cardinals 13/year for Peralta doesn't seem nearly so bad to me. The other options were 1) Sign Drew, who likely would cost more (Boras) and also cost a first round draft pick while statistically being worse than Peralta over the last three years, or 2) Sign one of the others mentioned who are basically projected to 0 WAR or 3) Trade for someone, and the trade requirements seem extremely high for SS right now.
Of the available options, signing Peralta for slightly too much (specifically, slightly too much time) is easily the least bad option for a team unwilling to sacrifice its future in trades or draft picks.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
It is the length that makes me say meh..
I agree completely, that's what gives me pause as well. What would you suggest as a superior alternative?
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Well if you had 13 on the table maybe 16 for 2 with a club option for 18 on the 3rd year.. Maybe they tried that who knows...
Dmncnby2k9
Banned
doesnt help that Tejada is thinking about filing a grievance against the team.
According to reports he already had at least one deal on the table for 4 years. If that's true -- and I'm not at all surprised it is, given the dearth of available shortstops -- then offering Peralta 2 years (even at 16m) would not have been acceptable.
In other words, Peralta for 4 years it the least-bad realistically viable solution. I too would love to sign Peralta for 2 years at 12m/year, or trade a few decent-but-not-great pieces for Troy Tulowitzki or something, but it's apparent that wasn't available. The other options didn't include those things, as the Mets' situation readily shows. The other decent option in the market, Stephen Drew, is likely to go for more than this (despite not being clearly better or much younger or less injury prone) and also cost a draft pick. After that, the free agent options are effectively non-existent and you might as well stick with your mediocre replacement level shortstop from AAA.
BFIB
Member
I've had a day or so to really let this Peralta deal sink in some.
While I do applaud Mo for filling in our needs without giving up one of the big building blocks, I'm just not convinced that Peralta will be an effective SS two years from now. Which leaves the Cards right where they started: looking for a young, cost controlled SS, while still sitting on the Peralta deal for two more years. I don't believe he has a NTC, so he could be shopped in a few years, depending on how things play out.
Cards are getting blasted (rightfully so), regarding the length and money involved in the deal, for a guy that just came off a PED suspension. But I think the way the Cards FO looked at it, they'd rather take the heat on the signing, which will be forgotten in no time (already partly done so, with the Doyers giving a broken down Haren $10 mil), which brings up my second point, which is that they would rather spend more on the FA market, then get a rental (Hardy), or vastly overpay (Aybar) for a SS.
While I do applaud Mo for filling in our needs without giving up one of the big building blocks, I'm just not convinced that Peralta will be an effective SS two years from now. Which leaves the Cards right where they started: looking for a young, cost controlled SS, while still sitting on the Peralta deal for two more years. I don't believe he has a NTC, so he could be shopped in a few years, depending on how things play out.
Cards are getting blasted (rightfully so), regarding the length and money involved in the deal, for a guy that just came off a PED suspension. But I think the way the Cards FO looked at it, they'd rather take the heat on the signing, which will be forgotten in no time (already partly done so, with the Doyers giving a broken down Haren $10 mil), which brings up my second point, which is that they would rather spend more on the FA market, then get a rental (Hardy), or vastly overpay (Aybar) for a SS.
Little Green Yoda
Member
The bolded is the key to all of this. With the way free agent prices are soaring, young and cheap talent is more valuable than ever. And yet, having a gaping hole at SS gave Mozeliak very little leverage in trades. Oh, you want a one year rental of JJ Hardy? Shelby Miller straight up lol.
Similar to how the Kinsler/Fielder trade put the Rangers back in the driver's seat when fielding offers for Profar/Andrus, the Cards no longer have to trade away their young talent to plug a hole so they can afford to ask for more when other teams come knocking on their door.
Exactly my feeling. While my initial reaction was negative, I'm failing to see a better alternative in the new reality market for shortstops. Drew will likely cost more without actually being much better; potential trading partners seemed to be asking for very good, young, cost controlled talent even for rentals, let alone for someone like Tulowitzki; the rest of the available market was only marginally better than replacement, if not worse; and the available shortstop market next year doesn't look much better, either.
It isn't so much that I think this deal is great, but it seems to be the least bad realistic option. When I ask people what the Cardinals should have done instead, there doesn't seem to be a palatable choice. In that environment, a choice like this -- an okay signing that is probably a year too long or maybe 2M/year too high -- is about as good as it's going to get.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Cards GM Mozeliak on Peralta:
RumblingRosco
Member
I should know this but never looked into it. What happens if, say, Peralta gets a second suspension for another failed drug test in the coming year? Does STL still pay his contract or do they recoup the money for the time he is suspended? I've never looked into the contracts related to suspensions.
Ninja Scooter
Member
PED suspensions are unpaid.
He won't get paid and the Cardinals get to keep the money.
On another note, 2016 will be the next real "crunch" year for the Cardinals when a host of aging players have their contracts reaching fruition.
Little Green Yoda
Member
Sounds like Peralta's contract will be front loaded.
That might have been a deciding factor in Peralta choosing the Cards over the other teams bidding for his services. Peralta gets more money upfront and the Cards have a more trade-able contract in years 3 and 4, assuming Peralta doesn't fall off a cliff performance-wise.
TheSadRanger
Banned
At least he had his dreads cut off.
Dominican Power
Member
Beltre is Prince's new BFF.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Chad Durbin has announced his retirement.
He's finally out of bullets.
wow we traded away Alex Dickerson? Did not expect that.
Also looking like the Gerret Jones era is over and Kyle McPherson got DFA as well
Also on Alex Dickson interesting they moved him from 1B to the OF this year, I guess with how many OF we have in the system he no longer that valueable to us, wonder why he got moved.
Also looking like the Gerret Jones era is over and Kyle McPherson got DFA as well
Also on Alex Dickson interesting they moved him from 1B to the OF this year, I guess with how many OF we have in the system he no longer that valueable to us, wonder why he got moved.
Funny 3 out of this list had playing time with the Pirates. Barmes still has D though. And fuck John McDonald and his 2 for 31 time with the Pirates
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
https://twitter.com/davidprice14/status/405398132063604736
First it was nerds. Now its women. Who's next?
First it was nerds. Now its women. Who's next?
Mr. Enigma
Member
He either needs to take a PR class or just stay off Twitter.
Finally I agree with David Price on something. Women shouldn't drive and they need to stay in the house being housewives.
/sarcasm
ahahahaha. That's so unintentionally awesome.
The Rangers have new jerseys next year:
Old:
Looks better, glad they got rid of the excessive drop shadow.
Everyone is getting rid of drop shadow.
Next is an ethnicity or religion.
Price's hatred of Oompa Loompas is well documented.
I'm sure the rays front office will love the backlash they get from this.
Dmncnby2k9
Banned
going for geezers not showing up to the Trop.