BFIB
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If Ellsbury got $153 mil, I'm sure Choo is looking at around $100 at least.
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If Ellsbury got $153 mil, I'm sure Choo is looking at around $100 at least.
Easily, I think even more.
patjburns89
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Is the Mariners signing Cano the boldest thing a Nintendo-owned organization has done in the last 5 years?
Mr. Enigma
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Nationals have signed Nate McLouth two a 2-year deal. Hope he reverts back to his Braves form for them.
Expect the worst, and then anything after that is gravy. My motto in life at least.
He definitely will. I'm just hoping it does not require 7 years to sign him.
100M is his floor.
Mr. Enigma
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Nats give 2 years, $10.75 million to McLouth. Wow.
Where's he going to play? span, harper, werth are already in the outfield...?
That seems reasonable.
No, I'm pointing out how absurd some of you guys are with some of these signings.
TWO YEARS TEN MILLION GOODLAWD!!!
Bunch of supermarket moms in here.
Welp paying 5.75 million for a bench bat seems pretty stupid. Sorry if that disagrees with your sensibilities but that's what the offseason is all about - judgement.
Johnny Gomes was a terrible signing. I have no idea what we were thinking! Certainly didn't pay off.
Dmncnby2k9
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I would give him more.
Nice stealth brag...too bad the cards didn't eliminate the perpetuation of this hindsight bias that says everything the WS winner did was a perfect move.
How is that a stealth brag? It's countering your point.
Even if we didn't win the World Series, he was a fine signing and still would have matched your "shittest contract of all time".
He is 32 and a borderline full time starter.
Then that gets back to why would you pay him over 5 mill.... I'm just trying to get a grasp on how the price for a FA has skyrocketed so suddenly. Is baseball just finally catching up to inflation or something? I'm sure someone's read an article that doesn't cite the TV money as the only factor in all this money being thrown around.
...because ball players cost a lot of money?
Highly original. It's not really back and forth when you don't make any points.
They are expensive because they make owners billions of dollars selling hot dogs and beer.
BFIB
Member
A weaker free agent market means that some teams are going to overpay to get what's out there.
As far as the Cano deal goes, that's just Seattle doing something desperate to try and turn the ship.
Dmncnby2k9
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And that's with people saying the sport is dying
Well if you follow other sports you'll see that baseball is paying out the nose comparatively. Maybe you can chalk it all up to twice the regular season games vs the next sport but to me there's something vastly different to baseball that's driving all this. Is it popularity, low overhead, or what? I fail to see what makes some of these guys so exceptional that they dwarf entire team's salaries in other sports.
The people stating this are pointing at the demographic trends - namely age, which obviously won't affect the league until the boomers die.
There isn't a salary cap.
Dominican Power
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Bryce Harper's agent is Scott Boras. Future Yankee.
What 3 letter league has teams that are spending less than $24 million on an entire roster (that is not the Astros)?
I'm thinking of MLS specifically. That's not a big american sport but when the championship (tomorrow's game) has a team that is barely over 3M for their entire roster vs a team that's comparable (not sure on SKC's payroll, soccer is weird and hides that stuff if it can) it's a bit unreal.
MisterNugNug
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I'd take a slightly overpaid Matt garza/Cruz or Beltran team than a Price team sans Walker.
Wouldn't MLS be the outlier here though?
This is a completely unbalanced comparison. The MLS, talent and money-wise, is a bottom tier national league within its own sport.
The MLB is the premier league (no pun intended) within its sport.
bingo.
Definitely, but it's expanding in the US to where you'd think there would be some kind of similarity. I mean Beckham was only pulling in like 5 million or so iirc. Seems weird that my favorite sport league (MLB) is some behemoth that is worth 6 billion USD. It just makes me wonder why we are having a hard time pulling talent from football and basketball, really.
I think there are a couple explanations for that:
1) Baseball's conservatism turns off a lot of young athletes;
2) Baseball's development system takes years longer than any other sport and is highly prone to failure.
Yeah I mean the fact that you need to wait like five years, while in the majors, to ever enter FA in the first place is probably one daunting roadblock. I guess for every Mike Trout there's a JD Drew that just never makes it?
I sort of want to like baseball less since it's turning so damn viciously competitive in the offseason. I like it but it's crazy money for entertainment, crazier than most industries I would guess, except maybe war and that kind of shit.
I sort of want to like baseball less since it's turning so damn viciously competitive in the offseason. I like it but it's crazy money for entertainment, crazier than most industries I would guess, except maybe war and that kind of shit.
What does any of the money being spent have to do with your day to day life? They could make salaries private and it would change nothing.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with JD Drew as an example? The dude made more than 100M in his career when it was done and he was never a superstar or something.
There are really two ways to approach baseball salaries; normatively and positively.
Positively, the correct salaries are whatever the market will bear. Demand drives pricing, and MLB players are in demand in a way that MLS players are not. Positively, baseball players are payed appropriately.
If we want to make normative statements (i.e. what baseball players "should" be making), then sure, baseball players are overpaid. Why are guys who hit balls with sticks for a living making orders of magnitude more than firemen or teachers or even doctors? As soon as we open this door, however, the same would be true for every other sport and lots of other things, and we're basically reshaping the entire economy in fantastical ways that have no bearing on current reality.
Positively, the correct salaries are whatever the market will bear. Demand drives pricing, and MLB players are in demand in a way that MLS players are not. Positively, baseball players are payed appropriately.
If we want to make normative statements (i.e. what baseball players "should" be making), then sure, baseball players are overpaid. Why are guys who hit balls with sticks for a living making orders of magnitude more than firemen or teachers or even doctors? As soon as we open this door, however, the same would be true for every other sport and lots of other things, and we're basically reshaping the entire economy in fantastical ways that have no bearing on current reality.
I'm sure the Drew family is really strapped for cash at this point.
Dominican Power
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No one's paying to watch teachers, firemen, etc. do what they do. And let's not act like baseball owners haven't had their way with baseball players for ages. It was a long arduous road to get to this point.