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[TS-08]

what important categories exactly?

wOBA, wRC+, fWAR. Altuve plays a more important position, but is relatively worse at it. Altuve is really only a much better base runner, but that isn't enough to make him a better overall player.

And bear in mind I think Altuve is a worthy candidate and I can understand if he wins. But Judge was better.

 

[Fenderputty]

The New York Times just published this dumb piece:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/...it-possible-to-root-for-the-dodgers.html?_r=0



You're not a die-hard Giants fan then.

He's one of the good ones, though.

 

[TS-08]

"Most of the important categories"

Batting average is 60 points lower.

And how about OBP?

 

[HarryDemeanor]

The New York Times just published this dumb piece:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/...it-possible-to-root-for-the-dodgers.html?_r=0



You're not a die-hard Giants fan then.

They've finally found the light in their heart of darkness!

 

[JoseDFrog]

Altuve was consistently great so that is a major plus for him. Judge was amazing the first half, garbage (average) for a quarter and then amazing for the last quarter. He ended up with better numbers than Altuve but I think the long stretch of sucking and the mountain pile of Ks will keep him from winning the MVP.

 

[TheSecondSpitter]

I can't believe we're having a sabermetics jizzfest in the middle of a playoff game, mostly featuring fans of a team that is actually playing.

 

[Joe]

I'M NOT SAYING THE YANKEES WILL LOSE THE DIVISION SERIES

But if they do...it will be a lot easier to swallow if the Red Sox lose their series too.

 

[blackaroni]

I can't believe we're having a sabermetics jizzfest in the middle of a playoff game.

Same.

 

[perfectchaos007]

lol they walked Altuve. Smart move by the Sox, even though now they get Correa to deal with

 

[dickroach]

I can't believe we're having a sabermetics jizzfest in the middle of a playoff game.

whether they have the MVP or not, the Astros won this series. it's over. get on with the NL games

 

[JoseDFrog]

I'M NOT SAYING THE YANKEES WILL LOSE THE DIVISION SERIES

But if they do...it will be a lot easier to swallow if the Red Sox lose their series too.

This is not enough. They need to lose by a wider margin than the Yankees.

 

[TS-08]

I can't believe we're having a sabermetics jizzfest in the middle of a playoff game, mostly featuring fans of a team that is currently playing.

Blame the guy who turned this into an Altuve v. Judge pissfest, then backed up his assertion with "batting average."

 

[dickroach]

showing the strike zone on the screen just makes it clear how shitty umpires are

there. there's talking about the game

 

[captive]

lol they walked Altuve. Smart move by the Sox, even though now they get Correa to deal with

one of the rare times thats actually paid off. Selection bias but i feel like correa has made teams pay more often than not when they've walked altuve to get to him.

 

[Beckx]

showing the strike zone on the screen just makes it clear how shitty umpires are

there. there's talking about the game

dear sweet baby jesus

not suprisingly, Hernandez is turning in the worst strikezone map of the week so far

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB...gid_2017_10_06_bosmlb_houmlb_1/&prevDate=1006

EVERYTHING WAS A STRIKE

 

[perfectchaos007]

Blame the guy who turned this into an Altuve v. Judge pissfest, then backed up his assertion with "batting average."

In what universe is batting average not one of the most important statistics in baseball?
And Judge had 208 strikeouts this season compared to Altuve's 84 strikeouts. Altuve is MVP.

 

[Malo]

In what universe is batting average not one of the most important statistics in baseball?
And Judge had 208 strikeouts this season compared to Altuve's 84 strikeouts. Altuve is MVP.

wRC+ >>> BA

And we had this argument yesterday. It's getting boring.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

When do pitchers and catchers report?

 

[dickroach]

When do pitchers and catchers report?

hockey

 

[TS-08]

In what universe is batting average not one of the most important statistics in baseball?
And Judge had 208 strikeouts this season compared to Altuve's 84 strikeouts. Altuve is MVP.

I'm not going to bother getting into this with you. I've already cited some better stats. But God forbid I get accused of turning this into a "sabermetrics jizzfest" because you want to make your case based on strikeouts.

 

[captive]

who had the fifth inning for AJ Perizinksi to mention the 2005 world series?

also they forced us to leave the roof open during the WS, so not sure what he's smoking.

 

[JoseDFrog]

I'm not going to bother getting into this with you. I've already cited some better stats. But God forbid I get accused of turning this into a "sabermetrics jizzfest" because you want to make your case based on strikeouts.

You can still beat him with regular ass counting stats like OBP, runs scored, home runs, rbis, xbase hits, walks... Although none if it means shit since the voters only care about the narrative.

 

[JambiBum]

dear sweet baby jesus

not suprisingly, Hernandez is turning in the worst strikezone map of the week so far

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB...gid_2017_10_06_bosmlb_houmlb_1/&prevDate=1006

EVERYTHING WAS A STRIKE

So what's the difference between squares and triangles when it comes to bb?

 

[TS-08]

You can still beat him with regular ass counting stats like OBP, runs scored, home runs, rbis, xbase hits, walks...

I did cite OBP to someone else. But the other stats will just get countered with some argument that Altuve is a better "all-around hitter", like what happened in that Judge thread in OT. I also don't really want to cite to some of those.

 

[perfectchaos007]

wRC+ >>> BA

And we had this argument yesterday. It's getting boring.

So Mike Trout MVP? Got it

 

[captive]

So Mike Trout MVP? Got it

lol

 

[therealist]

Altuve deserves MVP. Consistency matters in baseball.

 

[TS-08]

So Mike Trout MVP? Got it

He simply cited a more important stat. Don't think he claimed the player with a higher wRC+ must win MVP. Unless your argument is the player with the highest BA must win MVP.

 

[Rock And Roll]

The New York Times just published this dumb piece:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/...it-possible-to-root-for-the-dodgers.html?_r=0



You're not a die-hard Giants fan then.

Kill em with kindness.

 

[TheSecondSpitter]

When do pitchers and catchers report?

hockey

You can still beat him with regular ass counting stats like OBP, runs scored, home runs, rbis, xbase hits, walks... Although none if it means shit since the voters only care about the narrative.

I did cite OBP to someone else. But the other stats will just get countered with some argument that Altuve is a better "all-around hitter", like what happened in that Judge thread in OT. I also don't really want to cite to some of those.

MLB Playoffs 2017 OT:It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year

 

[Line_HTX]

Altuve deserves MVP. Consistency matters in baseball.

There was a Yankees fan a few days back that argued that consistency does not matter though.

 

[clemenx]

I know this is the internet and we have to act like everything is black or white but this year it is pretty easy to say that there's no wrong choice for the AL MVP... It's boring and discussion is fun but neither choice would be a disgrace.

 

[Line_HTX]

Apart from Astros-GAF, there's a lot to like about Houston. Still pulling for Bosox.

 

[perfectchaos007]

There was a Yankees fan a few days back that argued that consistency does not matter though.

Judge may lead Altuve in most categories but the margin is slim. The categories Altuve leads Judge in (Batting Average, strikeouts, steals) Altuve leads by a massive margin. If Judge had his BA up to even .300, he would be MVP. But its not.

 

[JoseDFrog]

So Mike Trout MVP? Got it

By definition, he's disqualified.

 

[TheSecondSpitter]

Keuchel pitching like he drank the blood of Sandy Koufax.

 

[Malo]

So Mike Trout MVP? Got it

He simply cited a more important stat. Don't think he claimed the player with a higher wRC+ must win MVP. Unless your argument is the player with the highest BA must win MVP.

This. I was simply stating that wRC+ is a more important and better stat than BA.

Also, Judge led MLB in fWAR, Trout didn't ( though he would have if not for the injury).

 

[Bsigg12]

That last ball to Ramirez was a strike last inning. Angel Hernandez is a joke of a home plate ump. He's so inconsistent with his strkezones, I don't understand how he got this game or any game in the playoffs.

 

[Line_HTX]

5 and 2/3. Oh well, hope it's good enough.

 

[TS-08]

Judge may lead Altuve in most categories but the margin is slim. The categories Altuve leads Judge in (Batting Average, strikeouts, steals) Altuve leads by a massive margin. If Judge had his BA up to even .300, he would be MVP. But its not.

Judge has a higher OBP. Why does the batting average matter?

I don't find the consistency argument very availing because, to the point that it affects a player's overall value, it would ultimately be reflected in the stats. The fact that he was so good the rest of the season to still be better than Altuve in those stats means he has overcome that issue enough. For me anyway. I also simply think Judge meant more to his team's playoffs chances than Altuve did, although I consider that a small factor.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Judge has a higher OBP. Why does the batting average matter?

I don't find the consistency argument very availing because, to the point that it affects a player's overall value, it would ultimately be reflected in the stats. The fact that he was so good the rest of the season to still be better than Altuve in those stats means he has overcome that issue enough. For me anyway. I also simply think Judge meant more to his team's playoffs chances than Altuve did, although I consider that a small factor.

OBP isn't nearly as important because a fielders choice counts towards your OBP. I wonder how many times Judge has been on base thanks to hitting into a fielders choice

 

[Nomadic Sparks]

Terry Francona-san plz be the manager of the cardinals next year

plz plz

GO STROS

 

[dickroach]

MLB Playoffs 2017 OT:It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year

fuck the mets

 

[TS-08]

OBP isn't nearly as important because a fielders choice counts towards your OBP. I wonder how many times Judge has been on base thanks to hitting into a fielders choice

Oh my God. I knew I was getting trolled. But I bit anyway. That's on me.

 

[blackaroni]

Keuchel did well today. Glad no more Price lol.

Off the knuckles.

 

[captive]

well that was an effective outing.

 

[dickroach]

Off the knuckles.

those are gonna be swollen like a motherfucker tomorrow

 

[GitarooMan]

So can the Red Sox get Terry Lovullo back?

 

[TheSecondSpitter]

Reed sucks with inherited runners. Just saying.

fuck the mets

Can't argue with that.

 

[RBH]