Really, because MLB has always been a gut feeling kind of play calling.
And just to be clear, I don't care about tonights game, It's over, done. But thank you for deciding what I can and can not do...
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MLB Postseason 2013 |OT| - Chicken n Beer-less Diet
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Really, because MLB has always been a gut feeling kind of play calling.
And just to be clear, I don't care about tonights game, It's over, done. But thank you for deciding what I can and can not do...
No, when Middlebrooks dives, he gives Craig an open lane for the basepath, if Craig actually stood up properly on the slide. He would've stayed in the baseline. Instead, he cuts back INSIDE, and is now a few feet on the 2nd-to-3rd baseline. He is no longer on the third-to-home baseline. Craig also initiates the contact with his hands because he slips by himself before even touching Middlebrooks, he does it again AFTER he gains his traction running on the grass.
It's a terrible call, the umps, Torre and MLBN aren't going to say its wrong, they get homerun calls wrong all the time and stand behind them, and this is an example of why instant replay needs to be implemented properly. This game should have gone to extra innings.
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Lol. Stop. You're going to make me laugh, and it'll wake the wife up.
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It doesn't matter! Middlebrooks was in the runner's base path, hence obstruction. You're making a fool of yourself.
Nope nope nope. They always give the runner flexibility when it comes to establishing his baseline
The baseline is whatever Craig's sight to home plate is.
Very good. Small sample sizes can frequently create aberrant results.
Okay cool guy.
Fotheringay
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Replay for calls where human error can result in the incorrect call being made, such as missing a bang-bang play at first, or a home run being foul etc. Not a situation like tonight where it quite literally is applying the letter of the law to an incident. The one time I remember where the umps fucked up something that is point-for-point written down in the rulebook was Dbacks vs Angels earlier this year, and the league actually punished those umps. Also your "everybody is picking on us poor Sox fans" is really quite odd considering the usual tenor of sports discussion.
None of what you just mentioned matters. It. Doesn't. Matter.
Standing up "properly" on the slide? Initiating contact?
IT DOESNT MATTER!
The runner always has flexibility when it comes to his baseline. The restrictions on the runner are that he needs to be within the base path, and everyone agrees he was in the base path. Furthermore, the third base umpire was clearly watching the play very closely and saw exactly what was happening: your suggestion that he was simply staring off in to empty space simply is not supported by the evidence.
Yeah that's not what I'm doing, but okay.
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Pretty much.
The initiating contact is from a previous ruling on A-Rod. He initiated contact with his hands.
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We are clearly not watching the same game as you...
DAMN Pedroia makes some slick moves.
We are clearly not watching the same game as you...
LOOK AT THAT! HE'S AT LEAST 1 FOOT INSIDE OF THE BASEPATH!!! what a bad call!
RadarScope1
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Sox have had a lot of looks now. Obviously not feeling as good as game 1, but that's what happens in a long series. Batters have the advantage as time goes on. I feel like they have had great stuff, though, and are making few mistakes. So feeling pretty good.
However, Game 4 starter is Lance Lynn, who is really similar to Joe Kelly in that he walks a high wire and doesn't go deep into games. Expect to see nearly every Cards bullpen arm again tomorrow.
King Tubby
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Key difference with the A-Rod play is that the fielder had the ball. You are well within your right to enter the basepath and "obstruct the runner" if you have the ball and are moving to tag. Unless you're referring to something other than the ball slap.
When a runner slides into second in an attempt to mess up a double play, if he hits the fielder on the slide, and the fielder lands on top of him(assuming the ball is overthrown), they don't call obstruction. It's the same setup here, Craig is the reason Middlebrooks is on the ground still after the dive.
You're wrong. Go ly down.
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Syphon Filter
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darkflow sure is over this game,yet he keeps trying to reassure himself lol.
He was reacting to the call the 3rd base ump made, not calling him safe from the tag.
None of this makes sense.
Carpe Libertatem
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Craig didn't need to run to home - he scored on the obstruction call
Catch some feels?
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Craig didn't slide to break anything up. Go home, you're drunk.
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He called him safe after pointing to Jim Joyce and acknowledging that obstruction had been called.
He was watching the play and saw the third base umpire make the obstruction call (which he called immediately when Craig was tripped up). At the point of contact at home, Craig was already safe and the entirety of the end of that play didn't actually need to happen -- the players just didn't know that yet.
RadarScope1
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T is for Tuck Rule....
Fotheringay
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In this type of obstruction, the play is allowed to continue to finality, then the umpire awards the base he believes the runner would have advanced to without the obstruction occurring. He waits for the play to resolve, then awards Craig the run.
That doesn't really apply here.
Both umps noticed it immediately. Both point at the play nearly simultaneously. Conspiracy or just doing a good job?
He collides with Middlebrooks left leg, initiating the contact, then touches him again while he's on the ground. Also, Craig doesn't trip over Middlebrooks feet, he trips on his thigh.
He was on the ground because he dove for a wild throw. The runner didn't initiate shit and the why to Middlebrooks being there in the first place is irrelevant because he doesn't have the ball. Also, the call was made because he would have scored if not for Will and if the runner is going for third in your scenario then yes, obstruction would still be called if the circumstance was as egrecious as what we saw tonight.
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Not anymore it isn't.
He collides with Middlebrooks left leg, initiating the contact, then touches him again while he's on the ground. Also, Craig doesn't trip over Middlebrooks feet, he trips on his thigh.
Middlebrooks said he didn't regret diving for that ball because he had to.
Lee Chaolan
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If he didn't trip, yeah he would have scored. If he still tripped and no call, it looked like he was out.
He clearly took down Middlebrooks.
Three of the Cards relievers hit 99mph. Thats just crazy! But you are right, I think the Sox lineup will catch on and murder some Fastballs tomorrow. I know Mike Napoli is dying for a plate appearance after tonight's game.
Buchholz is a complete wildcard. He could either no hit the Cards through 6 or give up 10 runs in the 2nd. Just depends on his "injury".
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He collides with Middlebrooks left leg, initiating the contact, then touches him again while he's on the ground. Also, Craig doesn't trip over Middlebrooks feet, he trips on his thigh.
It doesn't matter if it's his feet or his dick, his body is obstruction.
He collides with Middlebrooks left leg, initiating the contact, then touches him again while he's on the ground. Also, Craig doesn't trip over Middlebrooks feet, he trips on his thigh.
It does kinda look like he elbows Middlebrooks, but it could just be the angel.
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