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MLB Postseason 2013 |OT| - Chicken n Beer-less Diet
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Please, just shut up.
lucius
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I still think Craig trips up without Middlebrooks lefting his back legs and gets thrown out at plate, but let me ask when you are pushing up to get up as quickly as you can you never curl your back legs feet up, he clearly did that stupidly, it was the right call, even though Craig would have still trip up imo, and been thrown out at plate.
Sir Alemeth
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Wow. That was unbelievable.
I like Cardinals baseball, they play just like the Giants... except dirtier.
I like Cardinals baseball, they play just like the Giants... except dirtier.
Square Triangle
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Fixed
Syphon Filter
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why?
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The play at the plate was closer than the time lost by Craig from tripping. It's pretty simple math.
And lost 2-3 seconds from a trip. He was out by < 1 second. It's a pretty straightforward calculation.
Again, it seems very unfair for a team to profit from tripping a player up. It's a frustrating situation either way, I understand.
That too, salty is going to be watching from the bench.
If the batter INTENTIONALLY gets in the way of the pitch, he is not awarded a base.
Same way you knoe when a batter intentionaly gets in the way of the ball.
Of course, some times it's not so obvious.
On the middlebrooks play, you can obviously tell that wasn't intentional. He tripped, couldn't move.
If he were standing up, that's a different story.
He wasn't tripped though. He fell on Middlebrooks. Doesn't change the fact that he was obstructed by the ruling.
The home plate Ump made the call - did you miss that bit at the end where he pointed and called Craig safe?
This game was meant for the Cards, suck it up and lace up the spikes for tomorrow and quit whining, it's one game is my opinion. You can't let guys on third all game and expect to still win, the law of averages says we earned that run.
Ninja Scooter
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Allen Craig being interviewed in a world's worst night club.
hemtae
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If intent doesn't matter on the obstruction, then why does it matter on the alleged forced obstruction?
Did you miss the bit where he was pointing to the third base ump who made the original call? Sometimes I feel like you guys aren't even watching the same game
He didn't lost that much time from the trip, that was just from getting up.
King Tubby
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Apples to oranges and you know it. Watch the play in real time and try to look at it objectively. Craig looks behind him to see where the ball goes and whether he has a chance at home. He turns around clearly unaware that Middlebrooks is splayed out in front of him. He clearly stumbles unintentionally. I don't see how you could think he was flopping, especially in such a bizarre situation. He has a VERY GOOD chance of scoring if there is no trip, it would be insane for him to try to draw an extremely rare obstruction call rather than run his ass off for the score.
There is no such thing as a forced obstruction. Craig has a right to a clear basepath. Craig can't even force an obstruction like you claim if there isn't an obstruction to begin with! You think if he doesn't put his hands on Middlebrooks "holding him down" that Middlebrooks gets up and out of the way in the .1 second before Craig is running through him?
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying intent by using the term "tripping." I don't think Middlebrooks was trying to hold Craig up. It was an unfortunate circumstance, but the proper call was made.
It looks very clear that he lost notably more time from being tripped than was available when the ball hit the plate. (And as others have said, I'm not suggesting the trip was necessarily on purpose).
Put differently, it was a close play even without Craig being tripped. Surely it stands to reason he would have been safe if he had not fallen and lost all momentum between the bases.
Pretty sure I feel the same way. He was pointing at the play at third is what I got from that. Although I saw Jim Joyce backing up the call in the press conference and yes he was the third base ump. It looked to me like the HP ump made it all the way though.
Ump doesn't see the inital contact between Craig and Middlebrooks, he's watching the ball. Craig initiated it, he could've went around, or jumped over, his bad ankle/leg makes him slip and lose traction, he does it again after he gets passed Middlebrooks. It's a terrible call and the game should have gone to extra innings.
Yep, good series so far. Has the Boston SP officially been announced yet? I know they were oscillating between Clay and other options (e.g. Dempster).
doesn't matterBefore he "trips"
Inside the baseline,
doesn't matter
doesn't matter
no
Great call by the umps. Gotta give them their propers.
It's Clay. I hope Ross is playing.
If this was Game 7, yes. It would be frustrating. Not an elimination game though.
It's not just the calculation. You're taking into account that he was tripped. Middlebrooks doesn't lift his legs, same result. Craig avoids the downed player, same result.
He took out Middlebrooks and struggled to get up and move on his gimpy foot. It's playing the "what if?" game, but everything there points towards him making a slow approach to the plate.
Salty's terrible throw remains the only constant.
RadarScope1
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Yes, this exactly. No comparison whatsoever to "flopping" in basketball. Foul calls are made dozens of time in every basketball game. These kinds of calls are rare in baseball. Allen Craig would need to have a baseball IQ through the roof and posses an ability to slow space-time in order to think of something like that in the moment.
Square Triangle
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Uehara is just standing there looking for his translator. :lol
Are you guys ignoring all the posts quoting the rulebook on purpose?
The play on the field is almost the textbook definition of the rule!
It's broken Clay, and the plan was to have Dempster back him up, but who knows now.
No.
No guaranteed he'd be safe without the obstruction. The throw was strong to home and the catcher blocked the plate really well.
It doesn't matter though as the obstruction happened. Its just guessing on if he'd have made it in or not without the obstruction as it would have been close anyways.
not psycho
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Bottom line is don't miss the ball.
If you are in the act of fielding, it's all good. Once you miss the ball, you had best not be in anyone's way, even if you were legally in their way when you were still in the act of fielding. The rules are against you at that point.
So don't miss the ball.
If you are in the act of fielding, it's all good. Once you miss the ball, you had best not be in anyone's way, even if you were legally in their way when you were still in the act of fielding. The rules are against you at that point.
So don't miss the ball.
Square Triangle
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Funny, I feel like you're not even reading the ruling in the rulebook.
Since when has MLB every been by the book, and why are you harping it now? It's always been called by old men with bad eye sight who use the rule book loosely.
vas_a_morir
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I... I missed something, didn't I? Something amazing, huh?
King Tubby
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He doesn't have to. What you're suggesting would allow a fielder to lie down on a basepath to slow down a runner heading to home by forcing him to run around him or jump over him or else risk tripping.
So the rules should only apply if they benefit your team? This is a losing argument. There's not a precedent here of looking the other way or bending the rules like the neighborhood play. The umps called a bizarre play by the book. You can't fault them.
Really dude?
Yep. Don't let Ross' numbers fool ya. He's an excellent game caller. We've also seen him get some great RBIs this post season.
Really. I'm not even talking about this game, that's how umps have ALWAYS been. Why do you think people want Replay so badly?
Ninja Scooter
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Salty screwed Salty.
RadarScope1
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Thanks for contributing!
Rofl
Square Triangle
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You should probably not post in here.
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Seriously? When has MLB not been by the book?
I liked it better when Boston fans weren't spoiled jerks.
So essentially you wanted Craig to make a detour around an obstacle that was in his way.
Hmm...
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