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[MLiD] Why XBOX Helix is Still (Kinda) a Console
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midnightAI
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The more launchers it has the more it can be exploited, this thing will be cracked open like a tin of tuna within days
Sebastian1295
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I've been seeing the xbox warriors come out in full force being morons since this thing was announced. Apparently the xbox community is over 1.8 billion people now.
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Proelite
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I've been seeing the xbox warriors come out in full force being morons since this thing was announced. Apparently the xbox community is over 1.8 billion people now.
Afghanistan is the key to winning the war.
simpatico
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It comes down to building a library you have confidence that you'll be able to play down the line. Having a Steam account old enough to vote, the value prop on that gets higher for me every year. I didn't even consider it until fairly recently when I was debating on a launch PS5. Thankfully the hassle put me off. I was expecting a sequel to the PS4 first party output and wouldn't have had much use for it the way things turned out.
MisterXDTV
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Proelite
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Valve fans can it a Steam Machine if it makes them feel better about Steam Machine turning into vaporware.
HeisenbergFX4
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A lot of people hung up over what its labeled as
K KeplerL2 always defended and say Magnus/Helix was/is a custom Soc for a Xbox CONSOLE.
HeisenbergFX4
For over a year, it has maintained that its nature is Console, and the ability to load games from other stores is a bonus.
MLiD says it's a console.
SneakersSO?? According to him, Helix, it shouldn't exist, since two weeks ago he argued that there would be no first-party Xbox hardware and that P. Spencer's departure was the final nail in the coffin.
If your decision is going to be based on what some people that you mentioned have said...
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MisterXDTV
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It's normal to be hung up about it, if you you have to lick MS ass everyday for a living
But you are right, the label means nothing
Running PC games/stores it's a fact though, already confirmed by MS a week ago
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Topher
Identifies as young
You were hammering "it's a console" pretty hard yourself there bro
HeisenbergFX4
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I have told people it was going to at least run Steam for about 2 years now, most here that have paid attention knew that wasn't truly shocking news
I still call it a console.
If it plays all my past Xbox games and plays GTA 6 the day this machine comes out and there isn't a PC version of GTA 6 yet, its a console
Edit - I was more referring to the same crowd that seems to want to force it to be labeled a PC
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lastmessiah
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So, it's like a console, but much better. Sweet!
Bitstream
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MisterXDTV
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I know that...
Still
No console in the history of gaming has ever run contemporary Windows PC games/ports natively, let alone multiple game stores from supposed "competitors"
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I really wish
I think I'm blind. I wish Xbox would embrace dark mode in all of its apps like PlayStation.
I'm been running my Nvidia powered Xbox Helix for a few weeks now. Tomorrow's next gen today!
//DEVIL//
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Very possible. Everything I said is just my speculation.
Other possible solution is a dual boot. Either boot to Xbox or normal PC . But I don't see this happening to be honest. As this mean devs will make 2 sku for the same game. One for Xbox and one for PC and that is extra development MS want to cut
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midnightAI
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Yeh, it will certainly be interesting to see what MS does and what Sony and Nintendo do to react to it (if anything)
HeisenbergFX4
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Not arguing that point with you (or anyone else) at all
Topher
Identifies as young
But that's being just as "hung up" about it being labeled a console. Honestly, everything I've read says PC to me. I respect your info so I'm not diving in headfirst into that pool, but I understand why others say it is a PC. It is hardly "forced" either way.
Unfortunatecookie
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MLiD said:
It's (kinda) confusing for no reason.
Microsoft need to get ahead of the messaging for this thing. By all indicators it sounds like a PC with an Xbox mode; so it's a PC.
Proelite
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Xbox mode for PC is just FSE for Windows. Completely unrelated, but obviously there are code that's being shared.
Unfortunatecookie
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Alright then. If it boots up and completely blurs the lines between console and PC then it's a hybrid device.
Topher
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Probably the most accurate description. I have a hard time calling it a PC myself due to the fact that we probably won't have boot level access.
He simply relayed what he knew, and how Xbox and Microsoft described it as the next first-party hardware.
Certainly, I've never seen him show any obsession or stubbornness about what it should be called; rather, he's stated that it's a secondary issue for him, and he focuses more on the product itself (premium product, power, accessible game catalog, etc.).even noting its niche product nature due to the price.
The point is that the obsession and stubbornness over whether or not it should be called a "console" comes more from others, and in the vast majority of cases, those "others" are motivated by the reason we all know deep down.
Because look like it doesn't matter if it's designed as a console, in a console-like shape, with console-like features, if it offers a console experience, runs console games, back catalogs from previous consoles, and even it could also come with certain limitations of a console...
But eh!! In the end, what importance do those things have VS what the dictionary considers?
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Topher
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He simply relayed what he knew, and how Xbox and Microsoft described it as the next first-party hardware.
Certainly, I've never seen him show any obsession or stubbornness about what it should be called; rather, he's stated that it's a secondary issue for him, and he focuses more on the product itself (premium product, power, accessible game catalog, etc.).
The point is that the obsession and stubbornness over whether or not it should be called a "console" comes more from others, and in the vast majority of cases, those "others" are motivated by the reason we all know deep down.
Because look like it doesn't matter if it's designed as a console, in a console-like shape, with console-like features, if it offers a console experience, runs console games, back catalogs from previous consoles, and even it could also come with certain limitations of a console...
But eh!! In the end, what importance do those things have VS what the dictionary considers?
Well there are probably motivations for this being called a console as well. I don't get any of that, but that's how this stuff typically works. I'm not saying
HeisenbergFX4
is wrong at all, btw. Terms have gotten really loose when it comes to Xbox stuff so I'm trying to stay as much in the "wait and see" camp as I can. As U Unfortunatecookie said, "hybrid" is probably the most accurate term.
MisterXDTV
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If by hybrid you mean the worst of both worlds, I agree
The closest comparison would be probably a gaming laptop
Can't upgrade anything (maybe RAM for laptops)
But you pay more than a desktop
In that case you have at least the convenience of a display built-in
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yep, that seems to be the most logical outcome.
midnightAI
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Im sure they'll clear it up at some point, but MS has said they are releasing a console, if they do confuse things when they announce it then they haven't learnt a single thing (although that was likely Spencers doing to try and get a jump on Sony's Pro console by releasing the base and Pro at the same time.... It didn't work.... At all)
The fact that there are arguments on both sides means that "hybrid" is also a useful term... yes.Well there are probably motivations for this being called a console as well. I don't get any of that, but that's how this stuff typically works. I'm not saying
As U Unfortunatecookie said, "hybrid" is probably the most accurate term.
So, at this point, what should focus the user's interest is the proposal itself, not so much the definition.
As you say, there are still many things to learn and key points that are a big question mark and "wait and see" is a good position.
That said, if anything emerges from GDC and the information from the various MS/Xbox and Helix panels, it's that, in principle, the treatment, logistics, and infrastructure that MS is giving to Helix is very similar, if not identical, to that of a traditional console and even the current XS.
ReasonBeing
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You're describing one of their major selling points, the first device that will play your console and PC games. Everything that has ever happened (except for maybe the creation/existence of the universe
) has a "first time".
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I've been seeing the xbox warriors come out in full force being morons since this thing was announced. Apparently the xbox community is over 1.8 billion people now.
What a fucking tit.
Sorry, but whichever way you slice it... if a device doesn't have all the advantages of being an open system, with freedom to load up whatever software you want on it - including rival storefronts... its not a PC.
And if its a PC, by definition it cannot be console! Because one of a console's defining features is that its tied to a walled-garden ecosystem. Curation, simplicity, and uniformity = a standardized branded service.
Topher
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That's not the impression I've got from GDC, but I'm not going to argue it. I need to know more.
MisterXDTV
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You're describing one of their major selling points, the first device that will play your console and PC games. Everything that has ever happened (except for maybe the creation/existence of the universe
The major selling point would be to pay double the price of a console to get a non-upgradable/locked PC???
WOW
Big stuff
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ReasonBeing
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Considering we don't have access to a universe where there's another console with the same specification, I'm not sure how you are determining that it's going to cost double the amount than it normally would.
Also my guy, we don't even know how much it is going to cost.
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MisterXDTV
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Like I said: worst of both words
It doesn't have either the convenience of a console nor the flexibilty of a PC
About the price: you can dream if you want to...
Then reality will hit like always
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ReasonBeing
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Yeah that was a losing argument, I would have changed tactics as well.
Edit: you added to your post after I responded, so I'll address that here.
What exactly am I dreaming of? I didn't assert anything other than the fact that you're just claiming things that you cannot prove.
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MisterXDTV
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The only loser here is Microsoft that is throwing away a base of 30M just because they "can't spend Sony out of the market"
So they are getting ready to print money for Valve instead....
LOL
ReasonBeing
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Ok.... What exactly does this have to do with the exchange we are having?
GermanZepp
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DelusionI've been seeing the xbox warriors come out in full force being morons since this thing was announced. Apparently the xbox community is over 1.8 billion people now.
MisterXDTV
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I've been seeing the xbox warriors come out in full force being morons since this thing was announced. Apparently the xbox community is over 1.8 billion people now.
These people live among us, it's really scary
ReasonBeing
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It's so bizarre when you see those that somehow have made this PlayStation vs Xbox narrative apart of their personality. I would hope he doesn't actually believe what he's posting, and is just throwing bait out there for engagement.
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