[MLID] Zen 6 Magnus Leak: AMD's MASSIVE APU for next gen console (+ Medusa Point Specs)

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0:00 (NEW Leak) AMD Zen 6 Medusa Gets 22 Cores!
3:21 How this design saves MONEY
7:00 Why Eight Compute Units Makes Sense
11:20 (NEW Leak) Zen 6 Specs Update
15:28 (NEW Leak) AMD Magnus Gaming APU for PS6?!



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(NEW Leak) AMD Zen 6 Medusa Gets 22 Cores!

  • Medusa Point, a Zen 6 APU, may have a monolithic TSMC 3 nanometer design with four big cores, four C cores, and two low power cores in eight graphics compute units 02:42
  • The APU is based on RDNA4 and has 10 cores total, with the ability to add another 12 cores for a total of 22 cores when put in a new FP10 socket 03:09
  • The design allows for a potential upgrade from existing laptops without needing a new socket, with the base model fitting into the FP8 socket 04:00

How this design saves MONEY

  • The configuration of 22 cores and eight compute units may be brilliant due to its potential to save costs by fitting into existing sockets and laptop designs 03:38
  • The monolithic IO die model can fit into the existing FP8 socket, allowing AMD to bring Zen 6 to their existing laptops without needing a new socket 04:08
  • The premium configuration with up to 22 cores requires a new FP10 socket, which will be used in premium laptop designs with the fastest memory on the market 05:32

Why Eight Compute Units Makes Sense

  • Medusa Point may have eight compute units, which could be stronger per unit due to a newer architecture and higher clock speeds on a 3 nanometer node 07:02
  • The performance of Medusa Point's eight compute units could approach that of Stricks Point's 16 compute units due to the improved architecture and clock speeds 07:41
  • AMD may be downgrading the integrated graphics in Medusa Point because they see it as redundant with other APUs offering better graphics capabilities 09:13

(NEW Leak) Zen 6 Specs Update

  • Zen 6 may not use double-stacked Vcash on a die in consumer products, despite being capable of it 11:21
  • The desktop IO die for Zen 6 may be 6 nanometer, which could mean lower costs and fewer features 12:39
  • Zen 6 low power is being implemented in various products, and the R7 and R5 configurations of Medusa Point may fit into FP8 sockets 13:42
  • Medusa Point is likely to have eight RDNA4 compute units, and other products like Halo and Bumblebee are still in development with subject-to-change specs 14:25

(NEW Leak) AMD Magnus Gaming APU for PS6?!

  • AMD Magnus is a massive APU with a 264 mm squared graphics die and a 384-bit bus, making it a powerful product 16:54
  • The APU has 11 cores, consisting of 3 Zen 6 cores and 8 Zen 6C cores, with no low power cores, and is built on a 3-nanometer process 18:05
  • The CPU configuration and lack of low power cores suggest that Magnus may be designed for a home console, such as the PlayStation 6 21:07

Medusa Point Specs

  • Medusa Point is mentioned as a possible alternative to Magnus, potentially for mainstream gaming laptops, while Medusa Halo may be a higher-end option 18:50
  • Magnus is listed under the semicustom business unit, which is the same unit that handles console APUs, further suggesting a potential connection to the PlayStation 6 19:27
  • The design of the graphics die in Magnus bears resemblance to previous PlayStation APUs, with a long, elongated shape similar to those designed by Mark Cerny 21:30
 
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Microsoft going interesting route: over 1k $ console/pc hybrid. There are many enthusiasts on gaf that will like it, question is if somebody want to spend over 1k why not go pc + nvidia route. If they managed to release this next year many would jump to play gta6 on it.
 
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sncvsrtoip said:
Microsoft going interesting route: over 1k $ console/pc hybrid. There are menu enthusiasts on gaf that will like it, question is if somebody want to spend over 1k why not go pc + nvidia route.
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I mean if its a form factor that lasts for 5 years in console form and lets you play on PC platforms as well, its a win win without breaking the bank. I already dumped PS this gen. Didnt know PS4 was gonna be my last. Nintendo can go fuck itself.
 
KeplerL2 said:
As I said on Twitter this is probably the Xbox Series X 2 (or w/e it's called), not the PS6.
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Any idea why he labeled the PCIe controller and not the CU count, which is actually more important to leak?

Could it be suggesting some kind of SSD controller integrated into the CPU chiplet?

I can see why he may think it's for the PS6 based on that bespoke CPU chiplet setup. Looks like something Cerny would do.


On the GPU side, 80CUs definitely seems like a good bet. The 9070XT also resembles his layout and resembles the XB1X, PS4 Pro and PS5 GPU layout as well.


Nonetheless, it's interesting to see consoles finally going the chiplet route.
 
wafflecioccy said:
5080 is only 10-15% faster than 4080 though.

The marketing stuff about Blackwell having 2x faster RT etc doesn't really hold up.
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Based on this it should be around the 5080->4090 range. 264mm2 doesn't sound large, but that is just the GPU section and it is on 3nm, while also being UDNA/RNDA5. If it clocks really highly performance will be pretty impressive. And really expensive.
 
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Fahdis said:
I mean if its a form factor that lasts for 5 years in console form and lets you play on PC platforms as well, its a win win without breaking the bank. I already dumped PS this gen. Didnt know PS4 was gonna be my last. Nintendo can go fuck itself.$
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$1k every five years is a win/win without breaking the bank? As said, you'd be better just going the PC route, you can get a decent PC for $1000 and over time you can upgrade it instead of starting again every five years, the same can be said for any console, but none are even close to $1000. I'd say anything over $600 (currently at least) is DOA.
 
I'd be very surprised by a monolithic APU in excess of 330mm2 from Sony/Cerny.

I'd like to be surprised on one hand but then I'd also think that it makes sense to keep the chip closer to the low 300s while pushing clocks which means better/easier utilisation and speeding up the entire GPU (same deal as base PS5). Sure, thermals will get higher, but increased thermal/power management capabilities will probably still be a good bit cheaper than a chip that's that much bigger.

Edit: Only just watched the video and didn't realise it was two smaller chiplets in an MCM, rather than monolithic. While packaging has its costs, I guess the higher number of chips/better yields per wafer could offset some of that as well as lead to a slightly more favourable path for scaling down future SKUs.
 
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Very exciting machine to play Space Marine II at 60fps on the swarm level. But I'm not getting another Xbox until it's "we're out of this market" cheap.
 
144 mm2 for the CPU plus 264 mm2 for the GPU? That doesn't seem very likely. I'd imagine SONY will want to keep it around 300 mm2 in total, like previous APUs they designed. Semiconductors are getting too expensive to build something that huge. 🤔
 
midnightAI said:
$1k every five years is a win/win without breaking the bank? As said, you'd be better just going the PC route, you can get a decent PC for $1000 and over time you can upgrade it instead of starting again every five years, the same can be said for any console, but none are even close to $1000. I'd say anything over $600 (currently at least) is DOA.
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Starting over is fine.

Rebuilding a pc with mix of old new parts is not cool.

Personally I would like to see it at $800.

With a Series S at $600.
 
midnightAI said:
$1k every five years is a win/win without breaking the bank? As said, you'd be better just going the PC route, you can get a decent PC for $1000 and over time you can upgrade it instead of starting again every five years, the same can be said for any console, but none are even close to $1000. I'd say anything over $600 (currently at least) is DOA.
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Nah. CPU has seen too much growth in the last decade and the socket is always a problem. I future proofed my RAM @ 3,2GHz (massive back then) and when the time came upgrading without a new CPU wasn't worth it.
 
KeplerL2 said:
No, the original leak is from him. I just said on Twitter that I don't think this is the PS6, the codename and configuration are much more likely to be for the next-gen Xbox Series X.
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Yup the code name alone should tell people its not PS

Now if it was named something like Zion or something along those lines then maybe :)
 
midnightAI said:
$1k every five years is a win/win without breaking the bank? As said, you'd be better just going the PC route, you can get a decent PC for $1000 and over time you can upgrade it instead of starting again every five years, the same can be said for any console, but none are even close to $1000. I'd say anything over $600 (currently at least) is DOA.
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By your DOA logic, why is the PS5 PRO still alive then?

And why would I want to wait x amount of years for a console exclusive to hit PC? I mean I have a PC for gaming and music production, but I'm not gonna wait for Bloodborne to come on PC anymore.
 
wafflecioccy said:
And never will be. Game projects are rushed out the door.
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It'll never be because the minimum denominator is what rules games development. I'd say that many devs don't want to rule out the Steamdeck-like market and that's the bare minimum right now and it'll be until far into the Steamdeck 2, when that system has enough numbers to outweighs its previous version. And by then the minimum would be Switch 2 (likely less powerful than Steamdeck 2 but with 50 times the user base).
 
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