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MMA |OT2| - Thread of Athletes, Fighters, Personalities, and Sports Entertainment
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TheNatural
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yacobod said:
You're being too hard. Quick name three legit draws in BOXING. Oh wait, there's only two. Quick name when someone buys a wrestling PPV outside of Wrestlemania or maybe an appearance from The Rock (for the time being.)
Yeah there may not be that many major draws, but your scope is scewed because you're not looking at what's going on outside the UFC. Bernard hopkins drew like 60,000 buys against Dawson. 60 fucking thousand? Imagine if even a C rate UFC PPV drew that low, people would be saying MMA is dead. And Hopkins is arguably the 3rd best draw in boxing anymore in name and public perception. Hell lets compare where Heavyweight MMA and Heavyweight boxing is. Heavyweight boxing title fights have been run out of hte US because no one here gives a fuck anymore, and Heavyweight MMA was just on broadcast TV last night.
The fact that if you can even come up with 10 in UFC is extremely great, compared to UFC's past and other PPV events. The only problem with MMA is the injuries and the fact that Dana needs to pushing guys on a Jon Jones 3 or 4 fight a year schedule, not letting GSP sit in training for six fucking months and then wondering why he all of a sudden gets injured before the fight.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
It's not always about having top named fighters on the Fox cards, but exciting, fast moving fighters and Dana didn't want to do that. Nobody wants to watch 30 minutes of dana brock and curt menefee. they should have listened to me.
The QRJ vs. Rashad feud was a draw but individually, I wouldn't say either is good for anything beyond the usual ~300k buyrate.yacobod said:
That's whats missing here. Everyone talks about the UFC making stars but it's hard to make stars when one punch can ruin everything. They should be focusing on building up feuds like Rampage and Rashad had.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
The UFC's success isn't predicated on stars, but they build everyone up and make every fight mean something. even fights like aaraon rosa and the mexcutioner. That is their advantage and they didn't use it.
dream
Member
Well, the unique thing about MMA is once someone is a star, they stay a star forever because MMA fans are very forgiving. Chuck could come back and probably do 500k on PPV tomorrow.
It's just, yeah, when there are so many ways to lose a fight, you can't really use beneficial matchmaking to build someone. That's why I think the UFC needs to produce better profile pieces and coach their fighters to take full advantage of those valuable pre and post fight interviews.
It's just, yeah, when there are so many ways to lose a fight, you can't really use beneficial matchmaking to build someone. That's why I think the UFC needs to produce better profile pieces and coach their fighters to take full advantage of those valuable pre and post fight interviews.
TheNatural
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alr1ghtstart said:
Wrestling was huge in the late 90's, early 00's. I'm just saying, you have to have scope to see what's going on. The PPV numbers people describe as not great for UFC, still kick the shit out of everything not a Pacquaio, Mayweather, or Wrestlemania PPV. That shouldn't be taken for granted, I think people are taking for granted how successful UFC has really been, and will once again lead total PPV buys this year.
You can't make assumptions about a success or failure unless you have something to compare it by, which is why talk of the ratings last night being a total failure is ridiculous.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
It's not a matter of ratings, it's the poor production and planning that could fail to bring in new viewers with such a wide base.
dream
Member
It's all cyclical. Rasslin was huge because they had the right group of guys to carry the product, then steeply dropped off because Mr. McMahon couldn't create a new generation of Superstars that connect with a wide audience. UFC went through a similar thing with Chuck, Randy, Tito, St. Pierre, etc but now Dana is in the same position of not having stars that people genuinely care about.
It's kind of fucked when Kirstie Alley got Bones Jones over more than the UFC ever did.
It's kind of fucked when Kirstie Alley got Bones Jones over more than the UFC ever did.
TheNatural
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dream said:
I'm pretty sure even 4 years ago when Chuck was on a top, his PPV numbers still weren't doing anything compared to a lot of the major stars now. Comparing UFC now to then, UFC is more popular today. Comparing wrestling now to then, wrestling is 1/10th of what it was, and in the worst spot it's been in two decades.
Not really sure how you can say UFC lost stars that drew, when outside of this year when there's been a ridiculous amount of injuries and main events cancelled, it's been growing year on year consistently.
Maklershed
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What are 'stars'? Top guys that even people who don't watch UFC know who they are? Otherwise there are tons of stars in the UFC that I love to watch and care about and all my friends do too. Its getting to be that there are so many exciting fighters to watch in the UFC that its hard to keep track of them all.
Also - I know we have a contingent in here that seem to hate UFC and pretty much MMA in general (ironically the most active posters in this thread) but no matter how you guys try to spin it last night was a successful debut for one fight that didn't have a lot of promotion behind it on Fox itself. Its only getting better from here.
Also - I know we have a contingent in here that seem to hate UFC and pretty much MMA in general (ironically the most active posters in this thread) but no matter how you guys try to spin it last night was a successful debut for one fight that didn't have a lot of promotion behind it on Fox itself. Its only getting better from here.
Chamber said:
I think for the most part they are. Crocop was still a big draw even though he hasn't won a meaningful fight since 2006. Zombie-Wand is a co-main-event on an upcoming ppv and he is a certified tomato can, but the dude still has a lot of fans, myself included. Fedor has dropped 3 in a row, but his fans will defend him to the end. I think most hardcore mma fans are pretty loyal.
I think the newer fans or johnny come latelys are much quicker to jump from bandwagon to bandwagon tho.
TheNatural
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PS - Here are the PPV numbers of the past few years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view
Liddell-Ortiz 2 was big, but outside of that only 4 in the top 20 UFC buyrates were before 2008, and that's Liddell-Ortiz 2 at #3, and then PPV's down at 15, 16, and 19. Four of the top six are Lesnar PPV's, and he hasn't fought this year. No shocker that this year is down compared to last. GSP has only fought once, and Silva has only fought twice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view
Liddell-Ortiz 2 was big, but outside of that only 4 in the top 20 UFC buyrates were before 2008, and that's Liddell-Ortiz 2 at #3, and then PPV's down at 15, 16, and 19. Four of the top six are Lesnar PPV's, and he hasn't fought this year. No shocker that this year is down compared to last. GSP has only fought once, and Silva has only fought twice.
TheKaeptain
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The biggest problem with Dana is that he has no tact.Chamber said:
sazabirules
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sien916 said:
How much do you think the buys would be if everyone who was streaming bought it?
Chamber, I think you'll agree that Dana White's brilliant use of their hour timeslot can be ignored no longer. Was there ever any doubt? Personalities were built, and a new star for the world stage was born. 60 million fledgling fans from Brazil tuned in to see a new national hero win quickly and decisively.
UFC is an unstoppable global force and the FOX card was a masterful presentation.
UFC is an unstoppable global force and the FOX card was a masterful presentation.
sazabirules said:
Here's a piece from MMAFighting that has estimates.
Despite Large Audience Expectations, UFC on FOX Debut Will Be Money Loser for UFC
TheKaeptain
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I thought they were expecting a loss anyways? It was a test run. They'll make money when the contract starts.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
sien916 said:
That's probably due to inflated British prices.
The presentation was a great way to bring in new fans. We had a few gal friends watching and commenting how they loved the bios. It was just unfortunate the match ended so quickly. Throw in a few more matches, give the same kinda bios for title contention or main event matches and I think they'll win more fans over.
Maklershed
Member
Not bad for the first one / teaser event:
'In addition to the UFC record, the UFC on FOX event also set a record for the highest-rated MMA event on network television. That record previously was held by 2008's "EliteXC: Primetime" event, which scored 4.3 million viewers.'
-mmajunkie
'In addition to the UFC record, the UFC on FOX event also set a record for the highest-rated MMA event on network television. That record previously was held by 2008's "EliteXC: Primetime" event, which scored 4.3 million viewers.'
-mmajunkie
Siyar Bahadurzada: I'm facing Erick Silva at UFC 142 in Brazil
Wow. I haven't been this excited for a prelim fight in a long while. Love watching both of these guys.
Yoshihiro Akiyama drops to 170 pounds, faces Jake Shields at UFC 144 in Japan
Interesting style match up. I like it!
Wow. I haven't been this excited for a prelim fight in a long while. Love watching both of these guys.
Yoshihiro Akiyama drops to 170 pounds, faces Jake Shields at UFC 144 in Japan
Interesting style match up. I like it!
sazabirules
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Sexyama in his last UFC fight? They should have given him a can. After he loses they should have him fight Dan Hardy to see if the UFC won't cut the loser after 5 straight losses.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Sexy going to win his first fight at 170.
I think Joe Silva realizes Akiyama is 36 years old. He's got to get going if he's going to make any kind of meaningful impact in the UFC. It's sink or swim at this point.
If he manages to keep it on the feet it should be interesting. I doubt he's going to get dropped standing by K-1 Shields. On the other hand, Hardy would've had a great chance at keeping it standing and unloading on him.
By the way, how weird is it going to be watching a UFC with a silent crowd? I just thought about it.
If he manages to keep it on the feet it should be interesting. I doubt he's going to get dropped standing by K-1 Shields. On the other hand, Hardy would've had a great chance at keeping it standing and unloading on him.
By the way, how weird is it going to be watching a UFC with a silent crowd? I just thought about it.
DKehoe said:
Yeah. A rare example of an MMA fighter who's openly booed in Japan.
Akiyama Greasegate
There's also a Korean-Japanese cultural thing going on with Akiyama that I'm not really hip to. Anyone know the deal?
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