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MMA |OT2| - Thread of Athletes, Fighters, Personalities, and Sports Entertainment
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Dana said just yesterday that he can't make Condit rematch if he and his camp doesn't want to.
MustacheBandit_
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maybe he will think twice before trying to exploit a rule. nothing more lame then to see a fighter purposely put a hand down to avoid a kick or knee.
Well the biggest part of the problem is that the unified rules are so nebulous and the way judges score fights seems to vary from event to event. How are they judging significant strikes, octagon control, aggression, submission attempts, grappling, takedowns, etc.
How many controversial decisions are needed in high profile fights before someone takes a long hard look at judging, the unified rules, and the whole thing?
some main event type fights in the last 2 years with questionable or close decisions that seemed to divide the community (this is just quickly off the top of my head w/out a lot of research to survey the events):
Shogun/Machida 1
Machida/Rampage
Penn/Edgar 1
Diaz/Condit
Penn/Fitch
Kampmann/Sanchez
and in other news Greg Jackson is now leaning towards cornering JBJ versus Rashad Evans. Story here.
How many controversial decisions are needed in high profile fights before someone takes a long hard look at judging, the unified rules, and the whole thing?
some main event type fights in the last 2 years with questionable or close decisions that seemed to divide the community (this is just quickly off the top of my head w/out a lot of research to survey the events):
Shogun/Machida 1
Machida/Rampage
Penn/Edgar 1
Diaz/Condit
Penn/Fitch
Kampmann/Sanchez
and in other news Greg Jackson is now leaning towards cornering JBJ versus Rashad Evans. Story here.
parrotbeak
Member
I dunno, his knees weren't on the ground and it did look like his hands came up to try to protect his face when the kick landed, so legal?
But the big question is why aren't we watching this live? Heel? This is as Bad MMA as it gets! Double KO by unlocked cage door!
Damn the head kick was nasty.
I think that's pretty sad. I don't see anything controversial about the fight and Diaz does not deserve a rematch at this point. It's like when they awarded Penn his rematch against Edgar. Edgar clearly won but I think they wanted Penn to win it so badly.
This is how I view the "moving forward aggression". If they were about even in strikes, I'd give it to Diaz for constantly pressing. Conduit clearly won the exchanges though so moving forward and not doing anything with it means nothing. To me, it's like saying Leben is constantly moving forward, but he got knocked out, but he still wins for constantly moving forward. Doesn't make any sense.
To me, Conduit was looking to finish the fight but being cautious at the same time. Those spinning elbows, flying knees, and head kicks looks like he had the intent to hurt. Gotta give Diaz credit for being able to take some of those shots and just shrug them off.
Host Samurai
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I would pay thousands of dollars to see that happen to Jones.
TheNatural
My Member!
Stay classy.
TheKaeptain
Banned
I hope Jon beats Shad 2.0
He's like K-1 Matt Hughes.
TheKaeptain
Banned
I'm going to say 2.0 tries to wrestle with Bones. He looks a lot bigger than he was at Jackson's camp. So with the rumors that he use to tool Jones on the mat I am thinking he tries to use his new found strength on him.
He did seem to be able to handle Phil, and even if he ain't the best fighter in the world, you can at least say he was bigger and supposedly stronger than Rashad.
Suga showed some muscle though.
Host Samurai
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If Rashad beats Jones than that will indeed shake up the LHW division again. I don't see Evans winning though. If Machida couldn't than Evans sure as shit isn't. Ill give Hendo a punchers chance in the 1st with one of those H Bombs if it lands though.
Problem with the division is that fighters who can give Jones trouble aren't big enough. It's very hard to find someone with Jones ability to use his natural advantage.
Obviously when he loses we will all know where to point the finger at, but right now I don't see anybody winning unless they crack up this smart plan that throws Jones off, though he ain't stupid, even if some of us would like to believe so. He's a beast.
I don't see Rashad beating Jones, didn't before and now especially with that performance against Davis. I was expecting him to more or less do the same to him as he did to Tito, but that could be just me underestimating Davis. Let's hope it was just Suga Rashad hiding all that game against Phil. :/
Hendo is probably going to get picked apart for the first couple of rounds before Jones wraps him up. Sure Henderson has a chance to land something big in the early rounds but that's unlikely to happen, Jones is far too smart.
Hendo is probably going to get picked apart for the first couple of rounds before Jones wraps him up. Sure Henderson has a chance to land something big in the early rounds but that's unlikely to happen, Jones is far too smart.
Then get subbed by Mir!
limbs broken!
TheKaeptain
Banned
I think Mir vs Werdum would be a good match for both of them.
Maklershed
Member
And how about Garcia vs Nam Phan
The common thread with all these controversial decisions seems to be the presence of Cecil Peoples.
I think mma should use Matt Hume's judging guidelines basing the fights with a focus on damage and not counting much for lnp, useless takedowns, fence grinding, or pitter patter punching.
im waiting for someone to do this to bones
I think the majority of controversial decisions are due to poor judging, not the rules.
The problem is these judges and referees seem to have immunity with the athletic commissions. Guys like Keith Kizer go out of their way to defend the blatant mistakes being made. There doesn't seem to be any real repercussions for robbing fighters or even putting fighters' health in danger.
i limited my list to main event fights. if we wanted to include undercard and other fights list would have been really long.
its like the chicken or the egg.
I don't think it's too much to ask to have judges that can watch a fight and actually agree with the vast majority of the people watching. I'm talking about plain as day robberies, not judgement calls.
I guess the athletic commissions are fine with the status quo when you have Cecil Peoples judging UFC main events in 2012. I guess he's moved away from his "leg kicks don't finish fights" bullshit, though? Haha.
parrotbeak
Member
How do people become judges and refs? Or those red suits that just stand there? I really want to know.
IC_Champion
Member
lol. Good one Gr1mLock.
NSAC welcomes public suggestions for regulation changes at Feb. 22 meeting
Hopefully someone of actual intelligence attends and gets through to them. Not getting my hopes up. I wish I could be there.
Hopefully someone of actual intelligence attends and gets through to them. Not getting my hopes up. I wish I could be there.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Bring back soccer kicks and stomps!
TheKaeptain
Banned
GSP was salty as fuck in between the rounds during Diaz/Condit.
"Condit is ruining my party"
"Condit is ruining my party"
The Underground: Condit accepts rematch with Diaz
@ArielHelwani - @theug is reporting the Diaz-Condit rematch is on, however, Condit's manager @malkikawa says: "Far from true. We haven't accepted nything"
The fact that they're even attempting to set this up disgusts me.
@ArielHelwani - @theug is reporting the Diaz-Condit rematch is on, however, Condit's manager @malkikawa says: "Far from true. We haven't accepted nything"
The fact that they're even attempting to set this up disgusts me.
I know it's fucked up but I can't stop laughing.
TheKaeptain
Banned
http://mmaweekly.com/condits-manager-rematch-with-diaz-can-happen-but-gsp-is-first
Something else is being reported.
Something else is being reported.
One more twist! GSP's dark side revealed: @ArielHelwani - @kennyflorian said that after 143, GSP told him he wants to fight Diaz so badly that he would be willing to give up his title. #ufctonight
TheKaeptain
Banned
God GSP wants to kill him. Motivated GSP is so fucking scary.
I'm watch UFC Ultimate Insider.
Jon Bones is a man. I'm never rooting against him again. He has my upmost resepect.
I'm watch UFC Ultimate Insider.
Jon Bones is a man. I'm never rooting against him again. He has my upmost resepect.
TheNatural
My Member!
The Underground: Condit accepts rematch with Diaz
@ArielHelwani - @theug is reporting the Diaz-Condit rematch is on, however, Condit's manager @malkikawa says: "Far from true. We haven't accepted nything"
The fact that they're even attempting to set this up disgusts me.
Fuck this fucking shit. Dana and the UFC is going into pure WWE mode now. Why not just script the next fucking fight so they get who they want to fight? Why even bother having fights like this is they're not willing to accept the clear winner?
This is donkey shit.
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