No, but it is what it is. And I'm not outraged because I'm not surprising in the least. The other thing that is hilarious is that the hate should be focused at Dana, but the people have such a hard on for Nick.
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No, but it is what it is. And I'm not outraged because I'm not surprising in the least. The other thing that is hilarious is that the hate should be focused at Dana, but the people have such a hard on for Nick.
parrotbeak
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Ya, it is not surprising, but as fans we should voice our disappointment in this match making.
I will feel better about this if it is a free fight on Fox.
And tbh I'm interested in seeing how they adjust their strategies the second time around. Would be much more interesting to see them fight a couple years from now though. But whatever. I'll still watch it regardless.
I will feel better about this if it is a free fight on Fox.
And tbh I'm interested in seeing how they adjust their strategies the second time around. Would be much more interesting to see them fight a couple years from now though. But whatever. I'll still watch it regardless.
dream
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Serious question: how is this a surprise? When has Zuffa ever done anything that wasn't motivated by making money?
We can talk about merit all day long but this is a company that gave title shots to Randy and Brock because they were big draws. This is a company where Bones Jones earned his title shot by beating the illustrious Darth Bader and is set to defend his belt against someone who just won a decision over the world beater Phil Davis.
Not surprising, just the most heinous example yet. The UFC should be worried about the integrity of the sport in the long term, not one money fight. They shouldn't be the in the business of willing fights into existence in spite of a fighter's losses.
dream
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I think you're looking for something that doesn't exist, though. There's no criteria for determining who gets a title shot.
Plus, I don't think it's that outrageous to consider that this is a rematch that should happen. It's fine if you think Carlos completely dismantled Nick -- look how pissed TheNatural is -- but there are a lot of people who think it was a close, if not questionable, decision. And not all of them are Nick Diaz marks.
I don't know about that. If Chael didn't get busted and suspended, he would have gotten an immediate rematch and he got fucking finished in his fight. Regardless of how well he did for 23 minutes, he tapped out. End of story.
My main problem with this situation is that 170 isn't lacking for contenders. Jake Ellenberger absolutely DESERVES the next title shot (assuming he beats Diego) and that shouldn't be up for discussion. The fact that Condit was apparently going to turn down a fight with Ellenberger is bullshit to me.
dream
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As my good friend yacobod astutely noted, close fights that mean something often do get immediate rematches:
exactly. why hold up the division for 7-9 months, when gsp may not even be ready to go this year. carlos condit doesn't have the drawing power to be able to pick and choose when he fights like anderson and gsp.
It was a unanimous decision.
dem
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So was Shogun/Machida
so was BJ Penn Frank Edgar 1 and Shogun Machida 1. what's your point?
Rightly so. He may be a very talented fighter and appear ''badass'' to people who enjoy the taunting and childish side to his character but in reality he's just been beaten by a basic stick and move game plan.
Had he shown a little bit of class and respect after the fight instead of being close to tears and announcing his retirement then people might have a bit more time for him.
dem
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Who the fuck cares?
You scared we might lose out on one of those classic title fights like GSP/Hardy or Silva/Leites?
If you actually believe that sir, you are a moron.
Dana White, Lorenzo Ferrita, Joe Silva, and GSP all want the Diaz fight because it's the first chance at a million ppv buy in 2 or 3 years. Not because some people on the internet are crying.
Right, UFC should give in to what people want all the time.
No you are the moron, because you don't understand the difference between motive and precedent. Everyone knows UFC wanted their GSP/Diaz fight, you don't have to point to the sky and tell everyone it's blue, captain obvious.
To be fair, JJ only got the title shot because news just came out that Rashad Evans had to pull out of the title fight right before JJ was set to fight Bader.
Also, I agree that Diaz/Condit need to rematch for numerous reasons:
1) Many people thought Diaz won the fight, it's not unusual for title fights w/ close decisions to have rematches (Shogun/Machida, BJ/Edgar, Edgar/Maynard).
2) Condit's reputation has been severely damaged by his performance
3) GSP is out until November
Diaz/Condit had such a disappointing outcome, the second the fight ended I was hoping for a rematch.
No, that may be the excuse the UFC is using to make the rematch, but it's not the real reason. It's money plain and simple.
people don't care about the facts. they hate nick diaz.
or they've convinced themselves that this is a real sport with rankings and governing bodies. why else would the UFC go out of their way to bury guys like Jon Fitch, but push guys like Randy or Brock for title shots.
dream
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I'm done arguing with people playing devil's advocate on behalf of the UFC's bottom line and justifying their behavior with other examples. I don't care that it's Nick Diaz, and would've rather have seen Nick vs. GSP in the first place. You've gotta draw the line somewhere.
Condit vs. Diaz II gee I can hardly wait. What a fan-friendly rematch they've given us. Thank you, Uncle Dana.
Condit vs. Diaz II gee I can hardly wait. What a fan-friendly rematch they've given us. Thank you, Uncle Dana.
There is absolutely no way to justify a rematch without the fan/media outrage. Even Dana admitted Condit won.
I seriously don't know where you're getting this from. A lot of us this thread have stated that we wanted Diaz to win the fight but have accepted the outcome and have no interest in a rematch.
Because then the match-making is simply a popularity contest and the sport has no legitimacy.
Sien, it may be time you change your user name to Face. I don't think you're very good at playing the Heel.
Do you think it was fair for Brock Lesnar to fight for the title in his 3rd career bout?
Do you think Randy Couture deserved his million title shots?
Why was Jon Fitch buried for so long?
Why are guys like Tito Ortiz still headling or on main UFC cards?
Why was Kimbo Slice even on TUF and given a ppv fight?
dream
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But this goes back to the core problem: this isn't a pure sport with a clearly defined ranking system.
How is this news?
that's what sucks about it, but apparently it's fine with you guys.
How do you know I'm not planning a swerve?
Believe me I have my own demon in my head, people has no idea how dark I am in my head sometime.
If your point is that UFC is a joke, then you're once again stating the obvious.
I just want to make it clear I'm NOT fine with it. Shogun/Machida is the only example being thrown out here where I actually agreed with an immediate rematch.
you know in your heart of hearts why this fight is being made, but you haven't accepted it yet. give it time. you know i'm right.
Go listen to Usher and let it burn.
The UFC isn't a democracy. Don't like it? Don't watch! But... guess what... you're going to watch. Guaranteed. I'd bet my dick on it.
Ninja Scooter
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Dana White's GAF account outed.
Those aren't the same situations. They can't simply overturn/ignore the result of a fight to make money, they need some kind of excuse to do such a thing. I bet Dana gave Nick a nice locker room bonus for his post-fight performance!
The UFC is going to do what makes them the most money, and Condit/Diaz II will do that.
The judge's scorecard's weren't close, but it's all about the money. No other fighter with a 1-1 record since their return to good MMA (7-4 overall good MMA record) would get a shot, but it's going to happen whether we like it or not.
I'm wondering, given just how much Diaz was picked apart, why Uncle Dana is willing to risk losing Diaz as a credible fighter when he loses a second time. Actually, it's a win-win - he loses to Condit a second time and gets another shot at GSP no matter what. If Condit beats GSP a Diaz/GSP fight is much more palatable for the public. If Condit loses, you give crybaby Diaz one last shot at GSP anyways and if he loses Dana gets to get rid of a pain-in-the-ass employee or if he wins he gets to keep his PPV draw. The latter situation is a big risk, though, because if people think this decision for a rematch is bullshit, wait until a fighter with a 1-2 record since his return to the Good MMA gets his third title shot in a row.
So even if Diaz loses a second time and Dana doesn't get the Diaz-GSP Championship immediately the fight is going to happen for the UFC.
Like I said, win-win for Uncle Dana.
The judge's scorecard's weren't close, but it's all about the money. No other fighter with a 1-1 record since their return to good MMA (7-4 overall good MMA record) would get a shot, but it's going to happen whether we like it or not.
I'm wondering, given just how much Diaz was picked apart, why Uncle Dana is willing to risk losing Diaz as a credible fighter when he loses a second time. Actually, it's a win-win - he loses to Condit a second time and gets another shot at GSP no matter what. If Condit beats GSP a Diaz/GSP fight is much more palatable for the public. If Condit loses, you give crybaby Diaz one last shot at GSP anyways and if he loses Dana gets to get rid of a pain-in-the-ass employee or if he wins he gets to keep his PPV draw. The latter situation is a big risk, though, because if people think this decision for a rematch is bullshit, wait until a fighter with a 1-2 record since his return to the Good MMA gets his third title shot in a row.
So even if Diaz loses a second time and Dana doesn't get the Diaz-GSP Championship immediately the fight is going to happen for the UFC.
Like I said, win-win for Uncle Dana.
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