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MMA |OT2| - Thread of Athletes, Fighters, Personalities, and Sports Entertainment
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Hasn't GSP/Diaz lost a bit of luster? K-1 Diaz got exposed and he clearly has nothing for Georges.
dem
Member
Newsflash
No one at WW has anything for Georges. Only thing is.. Diaz can make the build up interesting.
Lambs to the slaughter.
Who cares about the order?
dream
Member
The problems with that is there is already a precedent for this. And the UFC doesn't want to be legitimate - at least not by your definition.
I guess I just think there are more pressing fundamental problems than putting on a rematch of a fight that ended in a close decision. Like better drug testing. Or better ref training. Or not using boxing judges. Nick/condit 2 is really nothing compared to that shit because its self-correcting. If condit really is that much better than nick, he'll win again and that will be that.
I guess I just think there are more pressing fundamental problems than putting on a rematch of a fight that ended in a close decision. Like better drug testing. Or better ref training. Or not using boxing judges. Nick/condit 2 is really nothing compared to that shit because its self-correcting. If condit really is that much better than nick, he'll win again and that will be that.
Impeccable
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is the diaz/condit rematch worse than the edgar/penn one? cause both are pretty shitty attempts to have dana's fighter win when they clearly lost the first fight
Exactly, things don't go as "planned" and Dana freaks out and tries to get his outcome by any means necessary.
It's lost a lot of it's luster, especially since I believe a GSP/Diaz fight would have ended up exactly like Condit/Diaz I. It will sell anyways. It may be a sham but it will have been a sham that was two years in the making by the time it happens if Condit can win out against crybaby Diaz a second time.
Basically, what Dem said. Diaz can make some interesting promos but GSP has to fight somebody. He fought Dan Hardy so a 1-2 Diaz is hardly a stretch.
Overeem was supposed to get a shot with a 0-0 record, according to your logic. He took the Lesnar fight for shits and giggles.
Does Dana White want the sport to be legitimate in the sense that you are referring to?
I wonder what all these people would have thought about the Pride era. Heavy focus on yearly tournaments. Random non-title fights. Squash matches. Dubious yakuza involvement.
If they think the UFC was bad, they would have had a heart attack during that era.
dream
Member
And if you think about it as a 1-0 (or, worse, 0-0) fighter getting a shot at the only heavyweight title that matters, it's complete bullshit.
He hasn't earned it.
But we don't think about it like that. We think about him being alistair Overeem and we think about him being a kick boxer and we think about how stylistically awesome Overeem and JDS could be.
was there this much outrage over the edgar/penn 1 rematch? if so, i dont remember it.
for the record, i think its pretty lame. dana and the ufc clearly want to make diaz/gsp happen. yes, it will make more money, but diaz should have to earn his shot. condit should have to fight again, but it should be the next in line (ie, not diaz).
its not the first time its happened, and condit i'm sure has negotiated far more money, but as a fan its not a fight i'm dying to see nor is it even remotely justified - again, just like edgar/penn 2.
Not sure what your criteria is, but to me wins/losses in other organizations are relevant.
I would watch it even if it was a post-surgery GSP that doesn't live up to expectations and we get a 1-2 Diaz and a GSP that lost his only fight in two years.
I still think that's a best case scenario since such a GSP/Diaz matchup would be more palatable without the prospect of a 1-2 fighter getting his third title shot in a row.
parrotbeak
Member
Sexiyama should get a title shot after losing to Shields.
Andy got a title shot after beating Leben.
RBelong2Us
Member
Dan Henderson? Way more deserving than f*cking Machida.
Host Samurai
Member
Maybe I can answer some of these
Do you think it was fair for Brock Lesnar to fight for the title in his 3rd career bout? Who else at the time would have been a better option? Arlovski? lol
Do you think Randy Couture deserved his million title shots? Same as above. The HW division at the time was a joke like the champion he beat
Why was Jon Fitch buried for so long? This one I cant help with. Maybe people just don't care about him
Why are guys like Tito Ortiz still headling or on main UFC cards?Legend and has earned that right. Hes not the main headliner anyways
Why was Kimbo Slice even on TUF and given a ppv fight?Why couldn't he join TUF? he was probably better than most of the fighters in that season and gave Mitrone, who is 5-1 the toughest challenge yet
Bottom line Diaz vs Condit 2 makes sense and should absolutely happen.
Ninja Scooter
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Usher doing a cover of Bana O'Reilly while Dana and Joe scream about how exciting Diaz/Condit II will be.
Carlos Condit vs. Nick Diaz II already a no-go, says Cesar Gracie
They're getting a rematch handed to them on a silver platter. Are you going to take your gift or not? LOL
They're getting a rematch handed to them on a silver platter. Are you going to take your gift or not? LOL
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
That's not what I'm hearing from my sources.
WTF @ GSP vacating the title to fight Diaz. Come on Georges.
Don't get why some people are upset, there isn't anyone else you would like to see fighting, who's available right now...and honestly? It's a chance for Condit to show if he really is the better fighter or if Nick Diaz and his brother Nate "You're winning the fight" diaz were simply stupid in the first fight.
parrotbeak
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Ellenberger hasn't beaten any names except Shields. Diego has looked shitty since Penn. Winner of that should have fought Diaz; I don't think winner would have deserved a title shot. The only person I think legitimately "deserves" a shot would be Hendricks. Maybe Kos.
Huh, obviously they are negotiating the amount of paper. Nothing is signed, so, obviously nothing will be confirmed.
You know, UFC ain't some gentleman's sport, this is a throw back to the gladiator era, with the rules of today.
So if a rematch was on the cards when Silva effectively subbed Sonnen, which means the fight ended itself, then why does it seem so surprising that this rematch is a possibility? The difference is that Anderson is goat, and he can turn down a fight after he ended it.
Only good things can come out of this one, because the champ can't fight, and Condit is a nobody. So if Condit wins he becomes somebody, if Diaz wins then that's cool because he gets to fight GSP and we all get to see that happen. If condit loses then he's no champ, and if Diaz loses then hey, dude can go cry home about it while we all laugh.
Drama, if there's no drama, it's just two monkeys in a ring.
How is Hendricks' win streak more impressive than Jake?
TheKaeptain
Banned
He really wants to kill the guy. Like I said before the last fight he was motivated in was BJ 2.
Host Samurai
Member
Please no. Kos just got the beating of his life 2 fights ago for the title and Hendricks landed a lucky punch. No contenders at all for GSP but Condit or Diaz.
parrotbeak
Member
Hmm. Ya, looking at their records side by side, they look equally good.
For what it's worth, I think both Hendricks and Ellenberger would beat Diaz. Nick is only a contender because GSP wants to beat his ass.
I know Georges wanted to expose Diaz but it's too late for that now. He's disrespecting Condit and the Welterweight title big time.
TheKaeptain
Banned
So Nick didn't even go to his after fight medical?
dem
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TheKaeptain
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Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
So Hendricks wasn't trying to hit Fitch when he threw that punch? It just landed by accident?
The same guy that broke the story of the rematch says the following:
@FrontRowBrian said:
Malki Kawa's reply to Cesar saying the fight is a no-go is "Wtf?"
TheKaeptain
Banned
Diaz pissed hot or some shit. Watch.
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