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MMA |OT2| - Thread of Athletes, Fighters, Personalities, and Sports Entertainment
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parrotbeak
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"Counter-programming the UFC? Where did you learn this stuff from?"
"I learned it from you, Uncle Dana! I learned it by watching you!"
"I learned it from you, Uncle Dana! I learned it by watching you!"
TheNatural
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I always question the ratings legitimacy when I see that anyone watched Spike TV while a live card was going on, but at least it makes some sense with how few people have FuelTV and could watch just because they're casual and don't have FuelTV.
Maklershed
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Fuck no. And I agree 100%. Not sure how anyone can make something God grows on Earth illegal to use. I could see making alcohol illegal, but not weed. And I'm not even a smoker. I'm just against retarded laws.
I see people continuously bringing up fights like Machida/Shogun I & II but the difference is the Condit/Diaz fight isn't largely being hated for the decision, but for Condit's style. Some definitely think Diaz won, though it seems hard to make an argument for him beyond "he walked forward," but most seem to be incensed not so much with the result, but with Condit's strategy. They seem to basically think Diaz should have won almost de facto given how they feel Condit fought.
With Shogun and Machida, most people outright thought that Shogun simply won that fight and was flatly robbed. It was immediately and hugely controversial, and there weren't many people either defending Machida or complaining about the rematch. There was a general agreement that a rematch there had to happen. Even the numbers heavily supported Shogun, showing him outstriking Machida 2:1.
Had Diaz won, would they be considering a rematch with Condit? Very doubtful. And if Diaz wins the rematch there's likely no rubber match. He just gets the GSP title shot and the first fight becomes irrelevant.
I personally like Nick Diaz, and I've defended him in the past. But I think he lost the fight pretty clearly. It's pretty unfortunate to see the hate that someone like Condit is getting, with people even going as far as to call him a point fighter. I mean Carlos Condit, a point fighter. Just craziness.
Also, people keep bringing up "Octagon control" in Nick's favor. I normally hate the "Octagon control" concept since it's so nebulous, but really, when did Nick Diaz ever seem in control in any sense? I'll tell you when - in the 5th round when he had Condit's back. When else could you possibly say that Nick had any control? It was the exact opposite. Condit had control of almost that entire fight in terms of dictating the pace and where the action would take place, and he repeated it throughout the fight. Condit basically made Nick do exactly what he wanted - Nick would try to press Condit against the cage and Condit would just circle back around to the center, every single time. Condit was the one controlling that fight.
Either way, remains to be seen now if the fight even happens, heh.
Seems like a pretty strange situation right now.
With Shogun and Machida, most people outright thought that Shogun simply won that fight and was flatly robbed. It was immediately and hugely controversial, and there weren't many people either defending Machida or complaining about the rematch. There was a general agreement that a rematch there had to happen. Even the numbers heavily supported Shogun, showing him outstriking Machida 2:1.
Had Diaz won, would they be considering a rematch with Condit? Very doubtful. And if Diaz wins the rematch there's likely no rubber match. He just gets the GSP title shot and the first fight becomes irrelevant.
I personally like Nick Diaz, and I've defended him in the past. But I think he lost the fight pretty clearly. It's pretty unfortunate to see the hate that someone like Condit is getting, with people even going as far as to call him a point fighter. I mean Carlos Condit, a point fighter. Just craziness.
Also, people keep bringing up "Octagon control" in Nick's favor. I normally hate the "Octagon control" concept since it's so nebulous, but really, when did Nick Diaz ever seem in control in any sense? I'll tell you when - in the 5th round when he had Condit's back. When else could you possibly say that Nick had any control? It was the exact opposite. Condit had control of almost that entire fight in terms of dictating the pace and where the action would take place, and he repeated it throughout the fight. Condit basically made Nick do exactly what he wanted - Nick would try to press Condit against the cage and Condit would just circle back around to the center, every single time. Condit was the one controlling that fight.
Either way, remains to be seen now if the fight even happens, heh.
Seems like a pretty strange situation right now.OpinionatedCyborg
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People are idiots. I would much rather watch a fighter utilize superior footwork, a variety of strikes, and good movement than a fighter who uses only linear attacks and barrages of punches to take out his opponents. I actually enjoy Diaz fights and think he is one of the best fighters in his class, but he was thoroughly outmatched against Condit and embarassed in what I felt was entertaining.
I tend to favour the more aggressive fighter if there is no clear difference in striking effectiveness. The guy pushing the action should be rewarded. But Condit wasn't constantly retreating. He was attacking and then retreating, attacking then retreating, or counterattacking and then retreating. In other words, he wasn't being passive. Shuffling forward like a 75-year-old mall walker and hoping your opponent doesn't evade you is way less interestnig to watch...
I tend to favour the more aggressive fighter if there is no clear difference in striking effectiveness. The guy pushing the action should be rewarded. But Condit wasn't constantly retreating. He was attacking and then retreating, attacking then retreating, or counterattacking and then retreating. In other words, he wasn't being passive. Shuffling forward like a 75-year-old mall walker and hoping your opponent doesn't evade you is way less interestnig to watch...
The problem is that his attack consisted of jump in, baby kick, jump out, jump in, baby kick, jump out, jump in, baby kick, jump out, with an occasional jab or cross and 2 high kicks. None of which phased Diaz, but he sure did score points though.
and before people get their panties in a bunch, lemme repeat, I think Condit won.
EYEL1NER
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I might watch that Diego marathon, even though I don't really care for him. He is a good fighter though and has been in some wars, so it should be good.
I don't have Fuel though. That is the main reason I guess. When I found out fights were going to be on Fuel, I got pumped, because I thought I had it. I mean, shit...I have like, thousands of channels...Fuel should be one of 'em, right?
Nope.
I don't have Fuel though. That is the main reason I guess. When I found out fights were going to be on Fuel, I got pumped, because I thought I had it. I mean, shit...I have like, thousands of channels...Fuel should be one of 'em, right?
Nope.
TrAcEr_x90
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I've gone back and forth. The night of the fight at a bar, I thought Condit won. Sucked since I had money on Diaz. Watched it more closely the next day and I'd say Diaz got the 1, 2 and 5th. What the F is up with these judges?? They are so happy to give wrestlers full blown rounds off one takedown? But they don't give Diaz the 5th off his multiple submission attempts? Bad judging. I'm not mad condit won, I like him. Just really annoyed he switched up his style and sort of fought a safe fight. It worked, thats fine. Diaz just needs to take guys down and submit their asses.
People like to say Diaz is crazy and a illiterate thug. He is probably the realest and smartest guy in MMA right now. Just doesnt know how to articulate himself because of I'm sure anxiety issues. Sucks he will have to be the sacrificial lamb for MMA and UFC to start seeing changes. I just hope I get to see some more epic fights from him.
People like to say Diaz is crazy and a illiterate thug. He is probably the realest and smartest guy in MMA right now. Just doesnt know how to articulate himself because of I'm sure anxiety issues. Sucks he will have to be the sacrificial lamb for MMA and UFC to start seeing changes. I just hope I get to see some more epic fights from him.
let's talk about something else.
http://mmasportsreport.com/1022/anderson-silva-chael-talks-too-much-its-not-working
http://mmasportsreport.com/1022/anderson-silva-chael-talks-too-much-its-not-working
TheKaeptain
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I have this feeling that Anderson is going to destroy in Brazil and retire.
He should. It would be like Jordan when he retired with that fadeaway jumper... (except he came back to the wizards and fucked it up.)
Brian Fellows
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He didn't retire. He was running in fear of Sam Cassell and his Rockets. Its no coincidence that the pansy ass came back like the exact second the Rockets traded Sam for some fat guy from Phoenix.
TheKaeptain
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Truth son.
EYEL1NER
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I have that feeling as well and (I never thought I would say this), I cannot wait to see it.
I have never liked A. Silva and have rooted against him in every fight. But after hearing the dumb fucking shit that comes out of Sonnen's mouth and seeing the dumb shit he does, I can't wait to see him get put in his place by The Spider.
I was rooting for Chael in their first fight, up until he fucked it up. And I don't doubt he has been training (or at least I hope he has been, after letting Bisping show him up). This is going to make for a great fight, because Silva is going to take this one pretty seriously. I cannot wait for it and I hope that I either have a job by then or that my buddy isn't deployed so he can buy the fight.
Can you blame him? That Sam Cassell mug is hard to look at.
abstract alien
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The storm that would hit gaf would truly be of jupiter-esque proportions.
TheKaeptain
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I would like to point out that I want Sonnen to win just to see the riot that commences afterward.
The Faceless Master
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people saw diaz fighting and condit playing the scorecard. i mean, it's all about money right, so is it in your best interest to win if people decide they don't want to see you fight anymore because they don't like your style? ... or maybe it IS in your best interest if you do it often enough, then people will pay just hoping to see you lose... maybe Condit is the one taking pro wrasslin' lessons... heel 101.
Burning hot truth.
I felt like i knew kung fu after reading this
I'm pretty sure he'd be literally stoned to death by the fans if he won in Brazil.
Maklershed
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Yes this would be awesome.
Realized I've been typing "Conduit" instead of "Condit" lol. Anyways, is "running" really Condit's style? How many of his fights have gone the distance? To me, he adapted his style for the Diaz fight, and I say it's far from running. It shows he's an intelligent fighter who isn't one dimensional. It's the principle of mma if you ask me.
I hope Chael puts up a good fight again. He didn't look too hot against Bisping, though credit to Bisping for not making it easy.
I hope Chael puts up a good fight again. He didn't look too hot against Bisping, though credit to Bisping for not making it easy.
My thoughts as well, this would be hilarious. Maybe even a controversial decision and THEN see the rioting.
I just want Silva to lose.
I don't see Silva defending the takedown much, Sonnen seems to be super durable as well so unless Silva drops him and manages to finish before he recovers I imagine it will go much the way of the first fight only quicker.
My bet would be Silva sets up the sub before round 3 is out.
I would pretty much agree with this for the most part, for whatever the P4P lists are worth. They're fun to debate at the very least. I don't quite know where to put Gilbert Melendez. He's obviously dominant in Strikeforce, but how strong is that competition, really? Strikeforce isn't quite as low as Dream, which churns out some pretty mediocre fighters when they finally get exposed in the UFC. The UFC LW division is absolutely stacked with top-tier fighters so putting a man on that list who has failed to combat these other fighters who have had their weaknesses and strengths exposed to the world doesn't quite sit well with me.
Also, given the events of the past few months, I can't decide which is the funnier "Best Fighters in the UFC" entry in the OP at the moment, Crybaby Diaz or BJ Penn.
Though I'll give you this, the Women's MMA entry has been more prophetic and accurate than most could have ever imagined given Cyborg's hari-kari.
TheKaeptain
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It's not going to be diaz. Roy Nelson with some shit to help lose weight.
have to say - LOVE your avatar. i used to enjoy cracking that guys skull every chance i got.
Actually I said I'd leave out GSP before since he's essentially not an active fighter at this point. That will be more true once he hasn't fought in a year in a couple months (and he won't be expected to fight anytime soon after that milestone, either). You have to fight to be a P4P fighter, right?
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BREAKING: Keith Kizer of NSAC confirmed to @themmashow w/ @mauroranallo there was one positive drug test from #UFC143. Couldn't say who.
BREAKING: Keith Kizer of NSAC confirmed to @themmashow w/ @mauroranallo there was one positive drug test from #UFC143. Couldn't say who.
Biff
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I think you're the first GAFfer to recognize my avatar haha
Internet high five, bro fist, etc
Host Samurai
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Wow no love for Junior Dos Santos on the Sherdog top 10. At least make him 6. I would personally put him at 4 or 5.
Yeah, that's a huge fucking oversight. Melendez is on there but no JDS? Terrible.
Host Samurai
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I think its currently the most underrated division along with MW. Once the Strikeforce fighters come it will become full blown stacked. I hope Sergei signs with the UFC too.
The MW division is weird. Its the middle standing division with a roster that can either fight at 170 or 205. You can easily take that division away and half of those fighters can fight at WW or LHW.
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I asked Cesar Gracie yesterday re: rumor about an issue w/ Nick Diaz's drug test. His answer: "I have been told not to comment on anything."
LOL. All but confirmed. A release should be coming up in the next few hours.
I asked Cesar Gracie yesterday re: rumor about an issue w/ Nick Diaz's drug test. His answer: "I have been told not to comment on anything."
LOL. All but confirmed. A release should be coming up in the next few hours.
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