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parrotbeak
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Checked the gay porn, pretty meh.
Another Ronda interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k6Y...xt=C3ac36c4UDOEgsToPDskJlcwr5s78OZnp1eD8iEqoO
Another Ronda interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k6Y...xt=C3ac36c4UDOEgsToPDskJlcwr5s78OZnp1eD8iEqoO
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^ you saved it! :b
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Why would I stealth edit that?
MMA Hour starting soon, Japanese translator and Frankie Edgar the main guests.
Hahaha, I like how the translator is getting higher billing than the Bad MMA guests. Hope the UFC invites her back. She was quick with it!
It's called revisionist history. Fedor haters love to do it. I love how they come out and say that either Fedor never fought any top talent, or that the HW sucked back in his day and that's why he dominated it.
Yea Pride Fedor was awesome. But the sport has evolved seems like 20 years in the last 7 years. And he refused to evolve with it at all. Look at other same era fighters who kept up. Anderson Silva...Henderson...etc. I think it discredits him some that he didnt care enough to want to stay the best. He just listened to his Yes Men and took the easy route.
Please refer to the first 5 or so pages of this thread for a thorough Fedor discussion. Relive the magic!
Fuck that, I'm tired of Fedor discussions. We all know he never amounted to anything in the sport and spent all his time ducking competition, lol. Mark Hunt, Mark Hunt, Mark Hunt. Clearly Fedor got his ass beat by Big Nog, Coleman and Crocop. Multiple times even.
Please refer to the first 5 or so pages of this thread for a thorough Fedor discussion. Relive the magic!
Funny enough, Hunt is possibly 1-2 wins away from being ranked -back- in the Top 10, entirely from his UFC run.
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Just like Anderson. I mean, cmon, the only top guy he's really beat is Sonnen and that was just barely. Okami was supposedly top 5 but he just got tooled by Boetsch so obviously that was incorrect. Franklin was probably his biggest win before that, and what has Franklin done since then? He couldn't even beat an unmotivated Forrest. Belfort looks like a decent win until you look at his record and see his wins are full of cans too.
Basically everyone sucks.
Basically everyone sucks.
Anderson Silva didn't become what he is now in Pride. He wasn't a star there. He was a nobody. His record was 3-2 in Pride. His legend started in Cage Rage then in the UFC.
Your argument is kind of flawed. Which dominant star from 2004-2007 is still competing and winning at the highest level of mixed martial arts?
I hate when guys who weren't following the sport back then try playing the historian.
Uncle Dana and Lorenzo scored it for Frankie too. Given their apparent love of rematches, I wouldn't be shocked if it happened.
parrotbeak
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I'm sure this was mentioned multiple times in the 144 thread but I loved how Bendo came out to Jesus rap and Frankie came out to Biggie.
One could make a case for Hendo. Up until recently Shogun.
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Please refer to the first 5 or so pages of this thread for a thorough Fedor discussion. Relive the magic!
Meme = reality. Mind blown.
I love Mark Hunt's run but yeah, it's funny if you want to retroactively go back and say that was an awesome win for Fedor. But I guess if you want to do that, maybe we could go back to top 3 Tim Sylvia and Andre Arlovski as well. Or what Cro Cop and Big Nog have done in UFC.
Hey if you want to credit Mark Hunt as being Fedor's best win, based on what he's done in UFC, I'll take it. As long as you can admit Sylvia, Arlovski, Big Nog, and Cro Cop were all paper tigers. Soo .. .which is it?
More like 1-2 wins away from a title shot, brah.
The power of the MMA rear-view mirror. When Anderson eventually loses I'm sure young bucks will look back and question his lineage too.
"Patrick Cote was a top 10 opponent?"
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If Silva goes on to lose to Frank Shamrock anytime soon, then yeah, lets bring it on. Silva hasn't gotten KO'ed by someone 6 or 7 years older than him that fought in the same timeframe though.
Big Nog came over post-PRIDE and won the (interim) UFC gold. He also beat Couture, one of the question marks from Fedor's prime.
If anything, Big Nog solidified Fedor's legacy just as the great Mark Hunto has.
I can't believe we're doing this again lol
3 out of those 4 guys were UFC champs lol.
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I hope this isn't a shot at NYBA.
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At least we're not talking about the Diaz Condit or Bendo Frankie decisions.
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You brought it up with your Fedor fetish mang.
At least I can get one good troll out of this. UFC's agreement with Topps made a Strikeforce set of card, and in fact, Fedor is on one of them:
LOL. I'm going to get this on eBay.
Apparently so.
Using the same logic TheNatural used to discredit Fedor's wins, you could easily use the same logic to make Anderson's entire UFC run look like a joke.
*insert opponent here* started to lose after he fought *insert fighter here*, therefore, he sucks and was -never- good herp derp
Guaranteed it would happen if Frankie was a bit more popular fighter, there's just not enough fanbase for him to make it happen. Now there's a smallish group of people calling it a BS decision, and as Ariel just said Frankie's not the type to rage about it in the public. The Pettis rematch is still more interesting to the majority, and I'd agree personally with that.
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All you have to go to is last year with a 3 fight losing streak to guys UFC didn't want, to show it, including a guy who fought in the same organization he did at a lower weight and 7 years older.
It's not the same logic because you have to go back 7-8 years to even find the last time Silva lost. Oh and he's older than Fedor as well. How are you going to be an apologist for a guy who went 1-3 in fucking Strikeforce who isn't even that old comparatively to guys like Henderson (HBOMB 4 Fedor) and Silva?
Yeah Frankie was established. I think Dana even had him at #2 right after he beat Maynard.
BJ Penn is 33. He's lost 8 times. Are you denying his greatness too? Think about that.
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Like I give a fuck about BJ Penn lol.
If you're saying both BJ and Fedor fell prey to the almighty doughnut, then I can live with that, but that's on them.
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How much are those Topps cards on ebay?
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The Diaz/Condit discussions just make me laugh. This one doesn't and my feelings towards my good friend TheNatural have come a long way since page 1.
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If we're going into ancient history why stop at Fedor?
Steve Jennum. Best UFC Tourney champ ever. Fact. Won UFC 3 with Shamrock and Gracie in it, and only pulled out of UFC because of injury before he would have tooled Severn. Fact.
1) "3 fight losing streak to guys UFC didn't want" -- Yeah, because Werdum, and Bigfoot aren't in the UFC, and Hendo isn't fighting for the title.
2) "It's not the same logic because you have to go back 7-8 years to even find the last time Silva lost." -- Yes, and those losses are to lower-tier opponents in the same organization Fedor dominated in.
3) "How are you going to be an apologist for a guy who went 1-3 in fucking Strikeforce who isn't even that old comparatively to guys like Henderson (HBOMB 4 Fedor) and Silva?" -- You seem to have trouble grasping the idea of certain people peaking at different periods of their life
When Anderson Silva loses, we're just going to suddenly pretend as if he was never great? Please.
The facts are facts. Fedor has beaten 4 former UFC champions, he's beaten ten Top 10 opponents, he was the HW champion and GP winner of the largest MMA organization of his time (by far), and he's considered the greatest HW of all time by not only the vast majority of MMA fans, but many notable fighters (including your personal GOAT, Cain Velasquez).
You can try to discredit a legend all you want, but it's only making you look silly.
My point is every all time great in the sport has lost during their prime, lost at the end of their career, lost in their 20's, lost in their 30's, etc. Why is Fedor held to a different standard? If your argument is that Fedor is in fact a mortal being you may be on to something here.
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Keep living in the past and making excuses brah. Anderson subbed a younger Hendo at practicaly the same age got KTFO by a lighterweight Hendo. And for the record, I said the JDS-Cain winner will have proven more. JDS KO'ed Werdum, Fedor got subbed by him. Fin.
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Because he lost to someone 7 years older than him at a lighter weight?
If a prime Tyson lost to an in his 40's Foreman, yeah I would have thought that was a mark on him. You can't claim age when you get KTFO by someone at a lower weight 7 years older man.
I love you too much to engage you in this discussion, friend.
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