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[dream]

The thing about dressing professionally at conferences...some guys are locked into sponsorship deals where they have to wear their shitty clothing all the time.

Fighters have been locked into deals with subsequently blacklisted sponsors too.

Wearing their gear during the entrance, having their logos on a banner, and wearing their shit again post-fight is enough. Let's class up the press conferences.

 

[yacobod]

Let's keep the filthy k1 talk out of the mma thread. K1 is a joke when a guy with zero cardio and no head movement can win a striking tournament.

Will be even more damning when said k1 superstar gets tkod by a pro wrestler.

 

[sazabirules]

Do any companies that sponsor fighters sell anything besides MMA related gear?

 

[Heel]

Fighters have been locked into deals with subsequently blacklisted sponsors too.

Wearing their gear during the entrance, having their logos on a banner, and wearing their shit again post-fight is enough. Let's class up the press conferences.

Yeah, I agree with you, but I think that's why half of them are wearing their sponsor's gear. MMAFighting has a really good recent article on the subject. Even goes into the pros and cons of Zuffa's "sponsorship fees".

MMAFighting: The Truth About Fighters and Sponsors

Sponsorship deals typically cost a company more than simple advertisement and require more of a commitment, but for fighters and their agents, the big money is in endorsement, which sits at the top of Albrecht's hierarchy of sponsor arrangements

"There's a premium for that, it's exclusive, and you're expecting that guy to be a spokesperson for you," said Albrecht. "He'll do appearances, and you can expect him to only wear your stuff. If he's with you, he's wearing your stuff when he's out and about, he's wearing it into the cage, he's wearing it when he's at after-parties. That's endorsement."

 

[Brian Fellows]

Do any companies that sponsor fighters sell anything besides MMA related gear?

Condomdepot.com

Well boring wrestlers like Fitch probably use them during fights while wrestlefucking opponents.

 

[dream]

Don't forget buy guns sell guns trade guns USA, a company I'd like to purchase from every time a fighter says he'll fight whoever Joe Silva asks him to fight.

 

[polyh3dron]

Let's keep the filthy k1 talk out of the mma thread. K1 is a joke when a guy with zero cardio and no head movement can win a striking tournament.

Will be even more damning when said k1 superstar gets tkod by a pro wrestler.

yessssssss let the hate flow through you!

can't wait to see you eat your crow.

 

[dream]

ps this is long but good

One of the craziest weeks in UFC history saw what would have likely been the biggest title fight of 2011 disappear after Nick Diaz no-showed two press conferences and Dana White hinted at firing him. Hours later, Diaz was back on the card in a new match.
So UFC 137 was announced as having a double main event, Georges St. Pierre defending the welterweight title against Carlos Condit, and Diaz vs. B.J. Penn, with Penn and St. Pierre switched opponents.
Then all weekend, Diaz started having second thoughts according to people very close to both fighters. He was making noises at not doing the match. At one point he got word to the Penn camp that because of his respect for Penn that neither he nor brother Nate would ever fight Penn. Apparently there was a time when Nate was broached with the idea of fighting Penn and turned it down, citing Penn was one of their idols growing up. Penn himself was hopeful of Diaz doing the fight, because he was afraid that if he didn’t, with Jon Fitch on the shelf until December, that he wouldn’t be able to get another fight this year, and felt he needed one more win to get GSP back in the cage.
For most of the weekend, the word was that he was adamant about not doing the fight. But on either 9/12, apparently he was talked into changing his mind, since not doing the fight would be the worst thing possible for his career at this point. With no independent Strikeforce and basically nowhere you can make money, doing what Dana White would construe as backing out after being handed a break would almost surely spell the end of his UFC tenure. As of the last word we had, which was Monday night when Diaz was said to have changed his mind and agreed, there was no indication he waffled back the other direction. He had given Penn through intermediaries the word that he would fight him, but nobody had any confirmation he had actually signed the bout agreement at press time.
Diaz was punished for no-showing in a big way, including being taken out of a fight he’s wanted for years and basically his career in UFC was at stake if he wouldn’t have faced Penn, The difference in what he’s going to make fighting Penn in the semifinal with what he would have made against St. Pierre is said to be in the seven figures due to the PPV cut. He’s also out of the title picture, at least for this year. He’s gone from seven figures, even if he lost, to essentially very slightly more than he would have made had he fought Tyron Woodley in Strikeforce for the welterweight title he vacated to get the St. Pierre fight.
If St. Pierre and Diaz both win, they will once again be booked against each other. If Diaz wins and Condit wins, it’s not a lock Diaz would get the shot at Condit, because there is a good chance St. Pierre would be given a rematch first given his standing unless the loss isn’t competitive.
If St. Pierre and Penn win, and most are favoring that to happen, it becomes interesting. St. Pierre and Penn have fought twice, with St. Pierre winning both times. The first was a much talked about decision where Penn marked up St. Pierre’s face and won the first round solid, while St. Pierre won rounds two and three closer. But the second fight St. Pierre took Penn apart, dominating the fight and winning when both the referee and Penn’s corner wouldn’t allow him to continue after the beating he’d taken. However, Penn has been furious, believing that St. Pierre greased his body which is why he wasn’t able to control St. Pierre on the ground without slipping off. Between rounds, St. Pierre’s corner in putting Vaseline around his eyes, also patted him on the back and chest with it, and it was Penn’s guard slipping off St. Pierre’s upper back which was the clip his supporters have brought up. There was a lot of controversy because the Nevada commission caught St. Pierre’s corner doing so between rounds and forced him to be toweled off. They claimed it wasn’t intentional greasing and just the way they rubbed him down and there was little Vaseline left on the hands at the time. However, even though the Nevada commission forced him to towel down, after the fight, they turned down Penn’s asking for the decision to be thrown out, leaving Penn mad at Nevada.
Penn’s primary goal right now is getting the third fight with St. Pierre, and whether it’s Condit or Diaz, his feeling is this win should get him the match. But after how one-sided the second fight was, and the fact there is a 20-pound weight difference between the two even though Penn has compete well against most welterweights, seemed too much for Penn to overcome. Penn of late has said he doesn’t want to fight anyone at lightweight, because that’s not St. Pierre’s division. He also wants St. Pierre ahead of the title. If Condit was to beat St. Pierre and he was to win, he would rather face St. Pierre without a title at stake.
But there is a big problem. Yeah, for fans, it’s weird, but it’s okay. Penn vs. Diaz isn’t quite as big a fight, but it’s still big. GSP vs. Condit is not a big GSP fight. The dynamic isn’t there. Nobody thinks Condit can win. Condit isn’t a big star to the masses and hasn’t beaten anyone of the level to where fans see him as a threat. It may still be one of the biggest shows so far this year, when the other way it may have been No. 1 or No. 2 for the year.
But after talking about firing him, to use Diaz at this point without at least getting him help is akin to TNA and Jeff Hardy. History tells you something. You pretend that won’t happen to you, but it just did. And you still pretend.
Diaz is a talented fighter, and an intriguing personality. He’s nuts in a way that appeals to people. He never gets finished so even when he loses, he somehow proclaims that he didn’t lose. And the fact is, he hasn’t lost in a long time anyway. But his history has included missing two fights at the last minute, one because even when warned, he couldn’t stop using marijuana, put it on his medical listing as a drug he used when it was illegal for fighters, and the commission wouldn’t allow him to fight.
He blew another fight with Jay Hieron when he no-showed a drug test that he was likely to fail. It wasn’t just no-showing a drug test, but it was no-showing for days on end and telling promoter Scott Coker that he was going, and then taking off.
Then there was the time he missed weight–by nine pounds. Remember that one. He was in the ocean and swallowed salt water and thus wasn’t able to cut weight. Another time, in the Frank Shamrock fight, even though he usually fights at 170, they made it a 179 catch weight fight, and a few days before, his side asked for it to be raised a few pounds because he wasn’t going to be able to make 179.
And then there was the time against Joe Riggs, where he lost the fight in the cage, and later that night, he saw Riggs in the hospital and attacked him and started a fight there.
And then there were the two most famous brawls in U.S. MMA history, the one with the family of K.J. Noons in Hawaii, and the one where he and his crew, five-on-one, beat up on Mayhem Miller when Miller issued a challenge to Jake Shields. That one cost Strikeforce its CBS contract.
After he blew off drug testing before the Hieron fight, Ken Hershman from Showtime, said they would never use him on their network because they put so much time into promoting him and he’s not even professional enough to take his drug test. But geez, the guy is marketable. They changed their tune, and put him in a title match that he was expected to win. Then he wasn’t happy as champion, complaining about pay, and to his credit, managed to parlay that into a bigger UFC contract and a St. Pierre fight.
He no-showed the press conference on 9/6 in Toronto, raising the ire of GSP, who felt if he had to miss training days, than his opponent should have to as well. The next day, he promised he would be in Las Vegas. His coach, manager and father figure, Cesar Gracie, was supposed to watch over him and deliver him. But he snuck out the door and left. He no-showed the second press conference, was pulled from the match, and then complained that they were protecting GSP.
“What basically happened is, Nick freaked out,” White told Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports!. “He disappeared. He told me he couldn’t handle the pressure of the main event. It wasn’t that he couldn’t fight or wouldn’t have fought, but all the responsibilities that come with fighting in the main event, he said he couldn’t deal with that. The fighting part is the easy part to him.”
Wonderful. Granted there is a level between main eventing several Strikeforce shows and being half of the biggest match of the year. And even though his fight is still really the main event to most fans, just not being billed as such, he won’t have quite the pressure because it’s not being promoted as the main event.
But still, if a guy has so much of a problem that he can’t get from Stockton to Las Vegas for a press conference, if it was a first-time problem, he should be fined and warned. After about the tenth time, he needs to somehow get help before fighting again because there is something seriously wrong. Yeah, it would be a lot better for the company if Diaz somehow does something in the next several weeks that gets him off the show, whether it be no-showing a potential out of competition drug test or accidentally drinking some salt water again, that he’s not in the title match. And make no mistake, he is getting punished financially a great deal. A lot of people are sure that he can’t beat Penn, but I never take results with top guys for granted, unless it’s Andrei Arlovski in with a guy with a big punch. What happens if he beats Penn?
Then he’s clearly the No. 1 contender. And then you have to worry about him showing up for press conferences, drug tests, and blowing the fight. If he sat out a few months and was told get some help or you are fired, then you don’t risk the money his title shot would bring if he stays because he can fight whoever next year. And if he can’t stay, well, it’s certainly better he hasn’t beaten Penn and then leaves, because he then becomes a larger than life ghost of an uncrowned world champion. For the fans it works out, but for the company it’s the worst of both worlds. You don’t have the biggest fight of the year. You may not get it. But, in what can be worse, you may make people want it more, and it may not happen again. And what if he becomes champion? Every title match you have to cross your fingers he won’t self destruct in some way before the fight. Plus, in a company so media conscious, you’ve got a champion who won’t do media. And that sets a precedent for others who would rather train then make all the phone calls guys are required to do fight week.
“We’d be right back in that position again,” White said if Diaz beats Penn. “But we’ll deal with it when that happens. I have too much shit to do to worry about what might happen down the road. I wake up every morning and find out I have a whole long list of problems to deal with. Nick Diaz took a week out of my life dealing with this.”
“To tell you the truth, the excuses he gave me made no sense,” said White to Iole. “You’ve interviewed Nick Diaz before. You know what I’m talking about. But I started thinking about this. This kid is a real fighter and I love the B.J. Penn vs. Nick Diaz fight. He always does show up to fight. We have trouble with him doing P.R. We also have problems with Nate (his brother), whom I have a great relationship with, in getting him to do his P.R.”
St. Pierre vs. Diaz was likely to get a three week Prime Time build, which with Diaz’s personality and the champion vs. champion positioning (Diaz as the Strikeforce welterweight champion, although technically the title was vacated when he signed with UFC) would likely have made it a huge buy rate not even throwing in that Diaz is facing the guy who just beat his longtime best friend, Jake Shields. Diaz is a unique character in the sense that many fighters try hard to have appeal and charisma. Diaz has none of the classic traits, and nobody tries less hard to have charisma, but he still does. But he is something innate that makes him among the most compelling fighters in the business. With an 11-fight winning streak and some of the fastest hands in MMA, he has the kind of highlight clips and the type of personality that sell fights. Even more, it fits perfectly with St. Pierre as an opponent. Unlike Josh Koscheck, who everyone hated and GSP could play white knight, Diaz brings out the emotions of both parts of GSP. For those who love GSP, Diaz has enough negative qualities and enough dangerous qualities that if you’re a GSP fan, you’ll be more interested than usual, and more worried than usual, both of which contributes to business. But for those who are ready for the GSP backlash, too white knight, play it safe, too sports like and not gritty street fighter, Diaz is your guy, the perfect opponent, his antithesis.
The show sold out immediately, because of a huge demand from area casinos, who treated it like an “A” list boxing show, gobbling up the seats at the highest rate in a long time, expecting this to be the fight that will bring the tourists in from Canada like no other. UFC jacked up ticket prices, and the gate will likely wind up as one of the biggest in company history. Mandalay Bay holds more than 11,000 and the actual ticket sales to the public through the ticket outlets was about $2 million, and with the ticket prices they were charging, that’s probably around 5,000 tickets to the public. Given the ticket prices, the actual gate will likely be well north of $4 million.
Condit may be a tougher opponent for GSP than Diaz, because Diaz was booked smartly in Strikeforce. They kept good takedown guys away from him, which was his Achilles heel his first times in UFC (he was in UFC from 2003 to 2006, ages 20 to 23). At that point he lost decisions to Joe Riggs, Karo Parisyan, Diego Sanchez and Sean Sherk. B.J. Penn would beat that Diaz. GSP would destroy that Diaz. But what we don’t know is if this Diaz at 28, is the same as that Diaz, just being booked smarter. Or is his 11-fight win streak indicative of really being one of the best all-around fighters in the sport, as some see him.
On paper, Condit only beats GSP if GSP has slipped greatly, and has lost his hunger being a multi-millionaire celebrity. GSP is better than Condit at every facet of the game. Condit is a good fighter, who lost to Martin Kampmann, barely beat Jake Ellenberger on a split decision (Condit won the fight overall but I had Ellenberger winning 29-28 on points) and would have lost to Rory MacDonald had MacDonald not gassed out in round three.
Both GSP and Condit are affiliated with Greg Jackson, who has said he is stepping out of training both men for the fight. But the two have not trained much if at all in the past and are now friends.
GSP at his best on paper also beats Diaz, but Diaz’s unique stand-up may be so fast that it gives GSP problems and keeps him off balance. Paul Daley was supposed to have some of the best standup in the division, and while he did deck Diaz twice in what was the most exciting round of fighting this year, Diaz took Daley apart most of the round and finished him with seconds left.
It can go a number of different ways. If Diaz is the same guy he was five years ago, Penn should just wrestle him to a decision. Standing, Penn hits hard enough to hurt Diaz, but Diaz’s hands are much faster and his volume has thrown most opponents off. Plus, unless Penn somehow finds the cardio that he didn’t have with Frankie Edgar, he’s going to be in trouble if the fight goes late in the second round. Plus, you’re talking a huge natural size difference. Penn is still a natural 165-pounder fighting a weight class up. Diaz is a 185-pounder cutting to make a weight class. He’s got a huge size, height and reach edge.

sorry if the formatting is fucked, I'm on a train surrounded by poor people

 

[SUPREME1]

ps this is long but good



sorry if the formatting is fucked, I'm on a train surrounded by poor people

You're always on a train surrounded by poor people.


Edit: Good read. A bit long and hard to read due to it being a gigantic wall of text, but it was worth it.

 

[dream]

You're always on a train surrounded by poor people.

What a metaphor for the futility of life in today's trying economic conditions.

 

[yacobod]

Favorite part of the story is that bj still wants to fight gsp even if he loses to conduit, belt don't mean shit to him.

Bj vs diaz will be the fight of the forever if both guys come out gamely. I am a little worried about nicks hero worship of penn, I hope he doesn't take a dive to put baby jay over for another fight with georges. Ii want another scrap like diaz/daley.

 

[prodystopian]

K-1 WORLD GP 2011 IN NANJING FINAL16 on October 29th in Nanjing, China.
In cooperation with It's Showtime

Badr Hari
Tyrone S.p.o.n.g.
Daniel Ghita
Rico Verhoeven
Anderson "Braddock"Silva
Hesdey Gerges
Melvin Manhoef
Dzevad Poturak
Sergey Lachenko
Artur Kyshenko
Ruslan Karaev

In talks with Peter Aerts, Jerome Le Banner and Bas Boon from Golden Glory.

And no Overeem of course.

Kyshenko? Doesn't he fight in MAX at 72kg?

Also, why does no one spell out Tyrone's last name?

 

[bone_and_sinew]

Because it's the same name as a banned gaming site here (see Backstabbo in Cabo in the Forum Archives).

 

[Prince]

Kyshenko? Doesn't he fight in MAX at 72kg?

Yeah that was my mistake. I was typing while watching the Japanese press conference, see the second list with the correct names.

 

[prodystopian]

Yeah that was my mistake. I was typing while watching the Japanese press conference, see the second list with the correct names.

Haha no problem. I just thought that would be a bit unfair. He's a good fighter at 72kg.

 

[Prince]

Haha no problem. I just thought that would be a bit unfair. He's a good fighter at 72kg.

Really good fighter but so far he never really seems to live up to his promise. Anyway I hope that the K1 Max will also return soon and not just that Japan Tournament.

 

[TheNatural]

I thought you guys would get a laugh out of this, maybe it belongs in the wrestling thread, but hybrid watchers will definitely think this is funny as fuck that this guy could say this:

Moviefone's Eric Larnick is featuring an interview with WWE's Triple H where he talks about comparisons between WWE and UFC and why he feels UFC needs to be the one to evolve.

"I don't think we have to evolve. It's two totally different things. I think now especially there's this thing like, "oh it's very similar."

I don't see us needing to evolve to what UFC does because quite frankly sometimes the fights are long and boring, guys lying around and sometimes the fights are fast and over in five seconds. I've always thought one of the things about us, if you look at us solely from a sports standpoint, is that we always give you a good show. We're never going to give you a crap game.

I think if anybody needs to evolve, it's them. Give more of an entertainment standpoint. Give more form; they just have fighters who walk in in T-shirts and shorts and just stand there and then they fight and then they win and then they go "thanks, I'd like to thank my sponsors" and then they leave. The whole world was up in arms when Brock was flipping people off and was cussing at the beer company because they didn't give him any money and everyone thought, "oh my god, he's disrespectful," -- the whole world was talking about it. They couldn't wait to see him get beat up. And then he did well, and he beat some guys and then people jump on his bandwagon going "Brock's the greatest." I'm good friends with Floyd Mayweather and Floyd would be the first to tell ya, "I make the most money in boxing and I have the biggest buyers because I have the biggest mouth." He'd be the first guy to tell you that. That's what it's about. Sports is entertainment."

CM Punk issued the following response on Twitter to HHH's remarks:

"RIDICULOUS!!!!! Laugh out loud ignorance."

LOL @ Punk telling it like it is, and Triple H saying WWE guarantees you a good show and UFC doesn't. Since when? Sure as hell hasn't happened very often from what I've seen. I guess he's a little peeved UFC is kicking WWE's ass all over the place in PPV's, got a big time broadcast deal with FOX and is looking to go head to head with Smackdown on Friday's with TUF fights, and the ratings of this week's RAW with him as the big draw this week drew the lowest in 7 years.

 

[Heel]

Anyway I hope that the K1 Max will also return soon and not just that Japan Tournament.

Me too. It's Showtime's tournament is a decent replacement. Too bad Petrosyan got hurt and won't participate. Just glad things are getting back to full swing though...

It's Showtime Fast & Furious 70 Max Tournament - September 24th
K-1 MAX Japan Tournament Final - September 25th
United Glory World Series, 1st Round - October
K-1 WGP Final 16 - October 29th
It's Showtime 53 - November 12th
K-1 WGP Final 8 - December?

Finally!

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

Let's keep the filthy k1 talk out of the mma thread. K1 is a joke when a guy with zero cardio and no head movement can win a striking tournament.

Will be even more damning when said k1 superstar gets tkod by a pro wrestler.

Your always the first to throw out some lame comments towards K-1. Not sure why Kickboxing/pure striking gets under your skin so much. K-1 Max is some of the most technical striking you can set your eyes on. But whatever floats your boat or clouds your mind. Thats my last and only K-1 comment since this is a MMA thread.......

 

[Heel]

Your always the first to throw out some lame comments towards K-1. Not sure why Kickboxing/pure striking gets under your skin so much. K-1 Max is some of the most technical striking you can set your eyes on. But whatever floats your boat or clouds your mind. Thats my last and only K-1 comment since this is a MMA thread.......

I'm guilty of feeding the trolls. Learn from my mistakes.

I don't see the problem in discussing kickboxing though, espcially if we're bringing wrestling talk into the fold. It's a part of the arts in Mixed Martial Arts. A lot of the fighters are making the crossover too.

 

[Chamber]

Dana needs to hire Hhh because there is a guy Who gets it.

The current status of sports entertainment.

I agree with CM Punk. Laugh out loud ignorance.

 

[dream]

I think it's the notion of "k1 level striking" being something to fear in mma that bugs me. Some people overrate the technical striking ability of , I dunno, a Badr Hari or any other elite kickboxer without considering the fact that his stance and shot selection would have to change if he fights mma.

It's like how a guy can be a nogi champ who taps everyone but all his fancy x guard sweeps and his tricky de la riveria guard setups mean nothing when he's getting punched in the face.

 

[alr1ght]

 

[parrotbeak]

Condomdepot.com

My friends always laugh when this is on a fighter's ass. Every time.

 

[Heel]

I think it's the notion of "k1 level striking" being something to fear in mma that bugs me. Some people overrate the technical striking ability of , I dunno, a Badr Hari or any other elite kickboxer without considering the fact that his stance and shot selection would have to change if he fights mma.

It's like how a guy can be a nogi champ who taps everyone but all his fancy x guard sweeps and his tricky de la riveria guard setups mean nothing when he's getting punched in the face.

Which is why I find the statement of Overeem vs. Werdum being a shining example of what K-1 has to offer as laughable. Things change when you don't have to worry about getting taken down...they're two different worlds.

 

[SnakeXs]

http://i.imgur.com/eDmtH.png

Perfect. :lol

 

[Chamber]

Miguel Torres is asking to get slapped.

 

[dream]

Which is why I find the statement of Overeem vs. Werdum being a shining example of what K-1 has to offer as laughable. Things change when you don't have to worry about getting taken down...they're two different worlds.

The problem with that fight is overeem really didn't have to worry about getting taken down and the rules were favorable for him and he should have done at least some damage to Werdum.

 

[SUPREME1]

Nice.

 

[Heel]

The problem with that fight is overeem really didn't have to worry about getting taken down and the rules were favorable for him and he should have done at least some damage to Werdum.

I don't really want to debate the dynamics of this fight again, haha. Neither of them wanted enter their opponent's realm and it turned into a shitty fight. Judging Overeem by this one performance isn't doing him justice. Same goes for Werdum.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Favorite part of the story is that bj still wants to fight gsp even if he loses to conduit, belt don't mean shit to him.

Bj vs diaz will be the fight of the forever if both guys come out gamely. I am a little worried about nicks hero worship of penn, I hope he doesn't take a dive to put baby jay over for another fight with georges. Ii want another scrap like diaz/daley.

You're going to get a one sided beat down. I can't believe Diaz uses the I don't really want to fight my idol BS. Fuck that guy.

 

[snorggy]

sorry, all the k-1 talk got me curious... is remy bonjasky retired? i haven't watched k-1 in awhile and i remember he used to be a pretty big deal.

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

I think it's the notion of "k1 level striking" being something to fear in mma that bugs me. Some people overrate the technical striking ability of , I dunno, a Badr Hari or any other elite kickboxer without considering the fact that his stance and shot selection would have to change if he fights mma.

It's like how a guy can be a nogi champ who taps everyone but all his fancy x guard sweeps and his tricky de la riveria guard setups mean nothing when he's getting punched in the face.

You guys are all going directly towards heavy weights?? Does nobody actually know the difference between grand prix and Max? The 155'ers are where its at....

 

[Heel]

sorry, all the k-1 talk got me curious... is remy bonjasky retired? i haven't watched k-1 in awhile and i remember he used to be a pretty big deal.

I don't think he's ever officially announced his retirement, but it's pretty safe to say he's done. His last fight was in the 2009 GP, and he needed a 4th eye surgery in 2010. Here's a quote before the last surgery:

I have a kind of blind spot in my right eye. This can be remedied [with surgery], but it's the fourth time I will have work done on my eye and then it becomes dangerous. It comes from boxing. If I get the surgery, it would mean the end of my career... I do not want to end up without my sight. After the first surgery, doctors said it was better that I would not fight. When I was at the beginning of my career, I took the risk. Now, I've already had my success and I would no longer take risks.

He opened his own gym after the surgery, Bonjasky Academy.

 

[Heel]

Amazon Forest Combat 1 replay stream has started.

Royler Gracie vs. Masakatsu Ueda
Satoshi Ishii vs. Paulo Filho
Josh Burkman vs. Leandro Silva
Antonio Braga Neto vs. Maiquel Falcao
Jordan Smith vs. Karo Parisyan
Ronys Torres vs. Drew Fickett
Alexandre "Capitao" vs. Shanon Slack
Sergio Junior vs. Daniel Acacio
Dileno Lopes vs. Danny Martinez
George Clay vs. Anthony Birchak

 

[dream]

I don't really want to debate the dynamics of this fight again, haha. Neither of them wanted enter their opponent's realm and it turned into a shitty fight. Judging Overeem by this one performance isn't doing him justice. Same goes for Werdum.

What else can we judge him on?

 

[yacobod]

The problem with that fight is overeem really didn't have to worry about getting taken down and the rules were favorable for him and he should have done at least some damage to Werdum.

Well he's going to get taken down by brockzilla and he's going to get his head bounced against the canvas with those hammerfists like a basketball.

 

[yacobod]

What else can we judge him on?

His fights with fujita, james thompson, and gary goodridge naturally.

 

[TheNatural]

LOL I love Hendo:


Incoming! Strikeforce Light Heavyweight Champion Dan Henderson drops an H-bomb on a silly little Internet troll, who tried to get loud on The Underground and tell "Hendo" he did nothing to earn a rematch against reigning middleweight champion Anderson Silva. As you can see from the above retort, Henderson makes a fairly convincing argument, but can he leapfrog some of the other top contenders en route to another 185-pound title shot?

Skooter, the difference between you and me is that while you sit at your computer and make ignorant statements while hiding behind an anonymous screen name, I am willing to test myself against the toughest fighters in the world, in front of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, over and over again. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I always come to fight. I've been doing this for the past fourteen years, and I have at least a few more strong years left in me.

What have you done in the past fourteen years other than act like a moron on this forum and hang on Anderson's nuts? Tell me where you work so I can come watch, and whenever you have a bad day I'll demand that you get fired with no opportunity to redeem yourself. Sound fair? I've gone 6-1 since the Anderson fight, with wins in three weight classes against world-class competition. Considering my recent success along with my career accomplishments, I think I've pretty much earned the right to call out anyone in the world--and I believe I've demonstrated over the course of my career that I have a better than average chance of beating whomever it is I choose to call out. Whether you like it or not, Anderson and his management have done their best to avoid a rematch. I think I've proven myelf worthy to face him again, and if he believes I'm such an easy fight, why not take the payday? I would not have left the UFC if it wasn't obvious that Anderson was avoiding a second fight, and he's doing it again.

Awesome.

http://www.mmamania.com/2011/9/15/2...e-dan-henderson-clowns-hapless-internet-troll

 

[DKehoe]

Bj vs diaz will be the fight of the forever if both guys come out gamely. I am a little worried about nicks hero worship of penn, I hope he doesn't take a dive to put baby jay over for another fight with georges. Ii want another scrap like diaz/daley.

Nick is probably going to decide BJ is a "disrespectful bitch" for something. Probably for fighting Renzo after being trained by Ralph Gracie or something like that.
EDIT: According to newest Wrestling Observer Radio BJ was actually refusing to say anything bad about BJ in the countdown show.

 

[Chamber]

I'm going to laugh when Penn wrestlefucks Diaz.

And I highly doubt Andy Silva is ducking someone he soundly defeated the first time around. Given Henderson's reliance on the "H-Bomb" these days, he's probably an easier match-up for Silva than before.

 

[TheKaeptain]

I'll laugh if Penn goes for the safe wins...

 

[dream]

I am all for named finishers but "h-bomb" makes me want to stab Mauro for coining it.

 

[Heel]

What else can we judge him on?

His apparent skillset, experience and the fact that he holds every major title outside of the UFC proves he belongs in the ranks. The UFC heavyweight division is not deep. I'm not going to point to wins, as there's no one you can beat outside of the UFC that will satiate naysayers. You could take the same stance with Josh Barnett, Daniel Cormier, etc. The truth is they've all earned their shot and have put together a better resume than anyone else signing to the UFC.

Well he's going to get taken down by brockzilla and he's going to get his head bounced against the canvas with those hammerfists like a basketball.

If Overeem wins, will he have proved himself? Or will you keep whining? Sorry hater, waiting for him to lose to JDS or Cain so you can say "I TOLD YOU SO!" will prove nothing. No one is saying he's going to blow through the division.

 

[Chamber]

Overeem will blow through the division.

 

[Heel]

I stand corrected! I think Overeem loses to Velasquez...JDS is a little more interesting.

 

[yacobod]

sien - i'm on record of saying that brock is going to beat overeem, and at the end of the road he probably will have a losing record in the ufc hw division.

the same ppl who denigrate fedor, prop up overeem. i don't get that at all, so i am here to provide the counter balance. the tomato cans that overeem got fat off of the last 3 or 4 years in mma would even make m1 global blush. james thompson, fujita, todd duffee, brett rodgers, gary goodridge, those wins make you a top ranked fighter at 265? why should anyone be impressed by his HW resume in mma. dude is a can crusher. his first fight in 5 years and he gassed out in 3 minutes in an incredibly lackluster fight against werdum. i don't know why you say people shouldnt hold that against him. it was his first relevant mma fight in like 5 years.

and to dream, the only and best dubbed finishing combo in mma is RHK hospital, LHK cemetery. might be the thing i'm most looking forward to at ufc 137.

 

[Heel]

yacobud, let's not argue in circles...how about we have a little friendly wager?

If Overeem wins, you use an avatar of my choosing until Brock fights in MMA again.

If Brock wins, I'll use an avatar of your choosing until Overeem fights in MMA again.

Do we have a deal?

 

[TheKaeptain]

I offered him a deal and he said no.

 

[BigJonsson]

Brock is going to be mounting something other than his wife that night